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Conservatives who didn't vote? (Vanity)
11/8/2012 | Al Gore Vidal

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:32:03 AM PST by Al Gore Vidal


Part of me believes that the biggest reason for the Romney loss was because he could not get out the conservative vote, and all the FReepers who predicted this were right.
Having said that another part of me can't help but be mad at these people because they, in essence, helped to get Obama elected. 
But will these non-pragmatic conservatives now do the work to start there own party because they correctly see the Republican party as not truly conservative?
I'd like to be able to understand why they sat it out. And can a conservative who did sit it out for lack of ideological purity really be called a true conservative? If you actively and knowingly aid and abet Obama by helping him to get reelected how can you call yourself a conservative?
I just want to know how they justify themselves. 

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To: SaxxonWoods
I don't see how any party can win these days. I'm looking at 2016. No matter how bad Obama screws up his second term how do you think these tickets would do,

2016 D- Biden-Free stuff. ( They don't even need a running mate )

R- The perfect candidate and running mate.

I see the Biden free gubmint goodies ticket winning 99 times out of 100. Will keep on too until the free stuff runs out.

Why do cities like Phili and Cleveland hold so much power in the elections? We know the answer but until more people start asking it we're all screwed.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:26 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

You are probably right.

I do feel like I’m in a minority group in an echo chamber. “but everyone I know didn’t vote for the ONE, how could he win”

42 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: pwatson

The base voted for Mitt. The problem was he countn’t attract anyone else. That is Mitt’s fault. Your anger at “purists” is misplaced.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:08 AM PST by DManA
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To: eclecticEel

“Not all of us live in states where our votes matter ...”

We voted but when it comes right down to it, only about 4-5 low-level candidates would the votes have any chance of significance.

44 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:46 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: ducttape45

Romney won the primaries. How do you expect the party to “give the people a true conservative”? Are they supposed to call you up and anoint anyone you recommend? Like it or not a majority of Republicans choose Romney.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 9:07:56 AM PST by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: goldstategop
I didn’t vote for Mittens ... Mitt Happens is a genuinely nice guy, but nice doesn’t win elections and he didn’t excite me.

You showed us! I hope you enjoy wallowing in your smugness for the next 4 years and for helping to give Obama the opportunity to select at least 2 more Supreme Court Justices.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:11 AM PST by wayne_shrugged
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To: Ingtar

Same here. The Benghazi outrage was the deciding factor for me. I’ve never had any illusions about Romney, but Obama is a destroyer and an enemy in the most dangerous sense of the word.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:01 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
—I do think the “mormon thing” is something few want to talk about, but is real

Among evangelicals at least, Ralph Reed is disputing that claim this morning. He states that evangelicals turned out in great numbers and supported Romney as much as they did Bush. Reed's numbers show bigger turnout and a 78-21 edge for Romney among evangelical Christians. An FR thread about this issue can be read HERE.

48 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:21 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher: There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: DManA

78% of white evangelecals voted for Romney. Name me any other demographic group that matched that.

You can’t blame white evangelicals.

My point was about turnout, not defecting to other candidates.

49 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:04 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Al Gore Vidal
"I'd like to be able to understand why they sat it out. ... I just want to know how they justify themselves. "

I voted third party (for Goode), because I wanted my dissapproval of both candidates recorded.

I weighted the candidates and I didn't see enough difference to justify voting for one over the other.

Usually I vote social values over pocket book on the theory that if we are a morally upright nation God will bless us with wisdom in other areas. And if we are not, the best economic plan in the world won't help us.

There were many serious concerns I had about Romney.

Social Values

Economic Issues

Other Issues

I want the rule of law observed with regard to natural born citizenship and eligibility. But the GOP is now part of this conspiracy, because they've had control of the House and failed to investigate it. Consequently this issue is off the table for this election.

Middle East: Romney seemed a stronger supporter of Israel, but I took that with a grain of salt. I don't think he views Israel the same way most Christians do. And his lack of credibility mitigates his strong stance on Israel. Plus he failed to distinguish what he would have done different with regard to Arab Spring.

Liberalism and future elections. If we are going to have a liberal president, let it be a democrat one. It'll be better for us in the future, than if a GOP labeled liberal gets into office.

50 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:48 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Al Gore Vidal

There are way too many whose pastors say that voting for anyone but a Christian is not Christian. We are NOT voting for a national pastor, so this is LAME! We ARE voting to continue in a Constitutional government instead of tyranny. Thanks to all who are too narrow of sight to see that America’s future depends on a free society. I guess when they start rounding us all up for the concentration camps they’l realize, but too late. I am ANGRY. Stupid people. Cannot think for themselves, but follow a warped “theology” that doesn’t hold up in the True LIGHT of Scripture. You cannot bend Scripture to hold to every form of government. We do not have a theocracy. Our Constitution was based on Biblical principles. But we were not given a theocracy. but a civilian government. The Scriptures were to inform the people for life and relations with one another and God. They do not tell us how to vote, other than to uphold men and women who live morally and uphold moral principles. I just want to cry! But the worst is their smugness. They think they are superior. Pride cometh before a fall, but we wil ALL participate in your consequences.

51 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:47 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Al Gore Vidal

Go back into the history of threads here, also the Romney Files that were posted by Robinson for months. Votes for Romney, even against Obama were discouraged and a lot of freepers were banned for disagreeing with that tactic.

I’m not complaining, just noting this in response to your post. I suspect that up to 3 million less votes for Romney versus McCain in 2008, had to do with freeper activity, he’s a Mormon, and, yes, he switched policies, etc. All valid issues at some level, but they all ended up producing 4 more years of Obama and a liberal Supreme Court is on the way.

52 posted on 11/08/2012 9:19:10 AM PST by unique1
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53 posted on 11/08/2012 9:21:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Al Gore Vidal

It’s almost unbelievable how many “conservatives” are willing to let the USA get raped for 4 more years because Romney wasn’t conservative enough. They were given the choice between brain cancer and and a head cold, but apparently were too naive to tell the difference. We could have started the process of reversing some of the damage we’ve incurred under Obama but these people just didn’t understand that sometimes you have to play defense and limit the damage when the only other option is full destruction ahead. Their conviction ate their common sense.

54 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:38 AM PST by Niteranger68 (When you play all-or-nothing, be prepared to get nothing...maybe even less.)
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To: AppyPappy

Well how backward thinking is that? I don’t think Romney is conservative enough, so I won’t vote, thus allowing the other guy to accumulate votes.

If that is the reason why people didn’t vote, then they deserve what they got and shouldn’t be allowed to vote in the first place.

55 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:44 AM PST by qwicwted
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To: Beelzebubba

And that number includes black folks who say they’re Evangelicals make up about a third of the black population? If not, then the reality is that about 50% of Evangelicals voted for each candidate proving that Evangelicals as a whole don’t put their theology first any more than any other group.

56 posted on 11/08/2012 9:28:46 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Al Gore Vidal
poles indicated that 70% of the people wanted to repeal obozo care, gas price is $2 per g higher than in 2008, food prices are 40% higher than in 2008, real unemployment is 20%, then there are the suicidal rules of war the obozo imposed on our troops, wars obozo encouraged and supported to remove Muslim dictators in the middle east, obozo is a Muslim, fraud birth cert, fraud SSN, not constitutionally eligible to be president, Fast & Furious, Benghazi and on and on and on. The system is corrupt and rigged and I refuse to participate in any election from now on. When the apex of the resistance against this corrupted government turns hot, then I will be ready to do my part.
57 posted on 11/08/2012 9:28:46 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Al Gore Vidal

And one other key issue that hurt Romney in the Social Values category was choosing Ryan as VP.

I give Ryan credit for trying to balance the budget. But he failed to recognize that the Budget reflects a seriously impaired economy. Instead of putting people back to work, he went after the safety nets and entitlements.

I want a fiscally responsible government but not one that unwisely drops the import tariffs our founding father’s had in place and then kicks people when they are out of work as a result. Not this way.

How we treat the poor is near and dear to God’s heart. Scripture repeatedly says He watches that. I’m all for eliminating fraud and putting programs on sound footings, but arbitrary cuts and without addressing the economy. Not for me.

58 posted on 11/08/2012 9:30:05 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Al Gore Vidal

Romneys strategy was heavily weighted on getting a huge number
of moderates and independents on both sides. He trashed conserative
candidates during the primaries, but then treated Obama with kid gloves. I am a conservative and I voted for Romney.
Howevr, He failed with his strategy to win without conservative voters.
My suggestion to you is to address your disappointment to the moderates and independents on both sides who did not turn out in
the numbers his campaign expected.
Pick a different strategy or a different type of candidate next time.

59 posted on 11/08/2012 9:30:59 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Al Gore Vidal

Just a quick note to all those that told me if I vote third party I am throwing my vote away...

I voted for rinoromney in spite of myself.. and that was throwing my vote away!!!

my protest vote for a third party would have had a more far reaching message, especially if all on here that KNEW what a fraud rinoromney was stuck to our guns and voted third party..

I am done wasting my vote.... no more moderate or liberal pubs get my vote, EVER...

60 posted on 11/08/2012 9:32:21 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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