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Boehner: ‘Obamacare Is The Law Of The Land’
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Posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:03 PM PST by ConservativeMan55

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To: mtrott

Makes me wonder. Was the take over of the student loans a way for the government to fix the Dr. Shortage? I thought that their is a amendment to that take over that states something to the affect that having the loans the person has to donate time to the government?
I also believe that the pubs will not give up the power over the people either. And the people on this board think otherwise, they have not thought through the power over the people they would give up. When this was passed, this was the final nail. The system can not be fixed, way too late. If some politician tells you otherwise, they are lying.


151 posted on 11/08/2012 4:04:40 PM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
If boner were nancy pelosi and Bush were in office and this was his bill... there would not have been any funding of any part of “Bushcare”. There are procedural moves that can be made to slow implementation to a crawl. dims would do it and tell America that they will block it until they control all three branches and then they would pledge to repeal it... but our side are like mittens... too nice and too timid

So true but the pubbies ARE basically the same as the (D)s. They are controlled by the same elites. The (R)s can only talk a story - they can't implement it. Their money people wouldn't allow such.

152 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:10 PM PST by Digger
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To: FlipWilson
Why couldn’t he have simply said, “until such time as we have the votes to repeal it, it is the law. I will continue to hope that one day we do have the votes but until such time, I am bound to obey the laws passed by congress, as disreputable as they may be.”

Worse things are coming very rapidly. I agree that the above is a rational statement, but I suspect that Congress may have to keep their powder dry for much more “Unlawful” Shenanigans from this WPOS President

153 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:18 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Why are there any Boehner supporters here? I don’t get it. What has Boehner done that any Freshman member of the House couldn’t also do? BOEHNER MUST GO!!! For crying out loud, I’ve been saying this for almost 2 years; isn’t it obvious yet?


154 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:13 PM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: MamaTexan

“That a law limited to such objects as may be authorised by the constitution...”

Tell that to the masterful SCOTUS Justice Roberts.


155 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:16 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: ConservativeMan55

It doesn’t matter if it’s the law of the land or not if the country falls into bankruptcy and violence. Keep your powder dry folks. The takers will come after your stuff when (not if) the checks stop coming. Revolution is around the corner and it will be the takers versus the makers.


156 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:59 PM PST by ChuckHam
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To: Soul Seeker
Yes folks, continue on blaming people for not voting all the while ignoring the GOP was just playing everyone with no intention to ever repeal it. I knew they had no intention, it was sealed with Roberts’ vote. If they were truly against it they’d have fought it with their jobs on the line by holding back funding and certainly wouldn’t stop with on election.

Bingo! Exactly. Just what I expected from the minute it was made law.

157 posted on 11/08/2012 4:09:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Since this is an Obamacare-related thread, please consider the following, but also let me know if this material has already been posted.

Regardless what Boehner says about Obamacare being law, I have been disturbed with the Supreme Court's decision on Obamacare as per the following explanation. Regardless that Justice Roberts referenced Gibbons v. Ogden in the Obamacare opinion, he seems to have "overlooked" (ignored?) clarification in the Gibbons opinion concerning the federal government's constitutional authority to address healthcare, actually the lack thereof.

More specifically, Roberts seemingly ignored two key statements in the Gibbons opinion which clearly indicate, imo, that Congress has no constitutional authority to make legislation of any kind regulating public healthcare.

In fact, note that the first statement below clarifies, in a single sentence, that not only is public healthcare a state power issue, sovereign state powers to address public healthcare issues protected by the 10th Amendment, but also that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate intrastate commerce; FDR's activist justices got the Commerce Clause wrong in Wickard v. Filburn.

"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, c. are not within the power granted to Congress (emphases added)." --Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Chief Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In other words, Congress cannot make laws to lay taxes or establish penalties in the name of intrastate public healthcare any more than it can make laws regulating 1st Amendment protected religious expression and freedom of press imo.

Here's two more excerpts from USSC case opinions which likewise indicate that Congress has no constitutional authority to make laws regulating intrastate healthcare. Note that Justice Barbour referenced the above excerpt from Gibbons in New York v. Miln, expanding it as follows.

"Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description (emphasis added), as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass." --Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln, 1837.

And before Constitution-ignoring FDR nuked the Supreme Court with activist justices, Constitution-respecting justices had again emphasized that Congress has no business sticking its big nose into intrastate medical practice.

“Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress.” –Linder v. United States, 1925.

Unfortunately, until the states decide to delegate to Congress via constitutional amendment the specific power to tax and spend in the name of public healthcare, the federal government's unconstitutional power grab concerning Obamacare is stalling the states from establishing their own healthcare programs, evidenced by Massachusetts' RomneyCare.

The bottom line is that constitutionally indefensible federal Obamacare is glaring evidence that Article V of the Constitution is the best kept secret of the unconstitutionally big federal government imo.

158 posted on 11/08/2012 4:10:43 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: TigersEye

Hope there is a massive layoff in this country. They can be without health insurance and when they go to Dr hope clinics say no to them.


159 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:09 PM PST by YukonGreen
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To: tsowellfan
It’s not going to be defunded because John Boehner is speaker.

All the more reason Boner should not be Speaker. Maybe we can persuade Caliph Hussein to give him a Cabinet job.

160 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:37 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SC_Pete

Exactly!


161 posted on 11/08/2012 4:13:13 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sadly, you are correct.

There was an election. We lost.

There was a Supreme Court decision. We were betrayed.

It is the law of the land.


162 posted on 11/08/2012 4:14:22 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Windy City Conservative

“Why are there any Boehner supporters here?”

There is nothing in my posts that imply I am a Boehner supporter. I am merely stating facts. I am not going to lie about someone I may disagree with.

I believe in debating with facts as much as I can. And, I am not infallible in that area.

Let’s deal with the truth...it is a powerful weapon.


163 posted on 11/08/2012 4:19:38 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: ConservativeMan55

you forget that for anythingj to even get up to the president must go through the senate aand that is Democratic. So it would be useless at best. Need to focus on spending that is more powerful


164 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:08 PM PST by spookie
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To: chris37

Appointments. Hold up his radical judical appointments. Pass legislation the country wants but Obama will veto: shoot down his treaties, hold hearings—oh the fun has only begun. Pass balance budgets, defund Obama care. The list is endless. We President, Senate and house in 2016 if we play it right.


165 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:14 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: ConservativeMan55

RINO doing the rollover like a dog.


166 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:49 PM PST by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Defiant

Did you see Boehner’s tweet via Perdogg? The story is not what ABC is reporting.


167 posted on 11/08/2012 4:30:11 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Brave Sir Boehner bravely runs away, once again.


168 posted on 11/08/2012 4:32:17 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives)
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To: TBP
Yup, John Boehner is getting hit hard in the Conservative Twitter World

I say: "Defund #ObamaCare OR repeal @johnboehner"

169 posted on 11/08/2012 4:41:07 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Geez LOUISE! Every reckoning, every estimate is that it's going to cost way more to add the people it's supposed to add, than if the government had just cut them a check for the premiums of normal health insurance as we know it now.

I started crunching the numbers - it's simply not sustainable. It CAN'T work.

170 posted on 11/08/2012 4:41:58 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: SC_Pete

And you expect John Boehner to do those things?


171 posted on 11/08/2012 4:47:12 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SCalGal

0bamaCare is enough to crash the economy all by itself isn’t it?


172 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Amagi
"RINO doing the rollover like a dog."

OK Sparky We just appointed you Speaker. Take us through the steps on how you would repeal and defund Obamacare.

Be clear and concise and show us all the steps you would take.

We will be especially interested in the parts where you get Harry Reid's and Barry Hussein's signatures on the legislation.

You do realize it takes both those things to do anything at all about Obamacare, right?

173 posted on 11/08/2012 4:52:52 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: martinidon

Actually, Perdogg has posted Boehner’s tweet...and the mainstream media, as usual, only told part of the story.


174 posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:55 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Euro-American Scum
“Obamacare is the law of the land.”

"They said the same thing about Prohibition in 1928."

I gotta say, that is the BEST "cut to the core of the issue" ANSWER on the entire matter I've heard.

You should write the Speaker's lines for him.. or maybe, better yet, take his place.

175 posted on 11/08/2012 4:58:25 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: chris37

No, that’s the Senate, if we take it in 2014. The Senate approves appointments and treaties. And right now, the RAT Senate has blocked abolishing Obamacare a number of times already.

If the House and Senate send it to Obama and he vetoes, that’s political fireworks. And would probably give us the White House in 2016. PEOPLE WILL LOATHE OBAMACARE BY THEN.


176 posted on 11/08/2012 4:59:28 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: ConservativeMan55

The little crybaby could simply defund it. We have the House which has the purse strings.

What? People are going to hate us? Who? The blacks—they don’t vote for us anyway? The single women who are going to find out they will have to buy a policy or pay a penalty? They don;t like us now. The Hispanics? Which ones, the legal ones or the illegal Dreamers?

They all hate us now, according to the pollsters and the GOP.

So what do we have to lose?

And there are other cases before the Supreme Court involving Obamacare which may strike it down.

So, refuse to pass any budget with funds for implementation in it.

But that would take balls. Something Boehner lacks.


177 posted on 11/08/2012 5:01:30 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Here’s the dirty secret: The Federal elected Republicans didn’t and don’t really mind about ObamaCare. It expands there own personal power. It’s good for their careers. And that’s all the vast majority of them are, careerist. Nation last, screw the voters, they have no where else to go.


178 posted on 11/08/2012 5:08:58 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: TigersEye
0bamaCare is enough to crash the economy all by itself isn’t it?

Yes, it is, and it really shouldn't take all that long either.

179 posted on 11/08/2012 5:12:09 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

He can defund it. That could’ve started two years ago. Face Boehner LIKES ObamaCare. So shut up.


180 posted on 11/08/2012 5:12:55 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: ConservativeMan55

How much longer will the Republicans put up with this simple assclown Boehner?
/confused headshake


181 posted on 11/08/2012 5:15:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SCalGal

All brace yourself for the coming game of economic “chicken.”


182 posted on 11/08/2012 5:15:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: SCalGal

That’s what I thought. It’s a fiscal bomb that can’t be defused. And it’s a short fuse. It’s already rotting the heart out of health care too and there isn’t much way to stop that either.


183 posted on 11/08/2012 5:17:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
What the HELL is wrong with him telling the truth?!

Nothing. The problem is that Boehner is LYING.

The House comtrols the purse strings completely, and the House can defund Obamacare, or pieces of it, anytime it wants.

184 posted on 11/08/2012 5:21:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: skeeter

” I have no love for Boehner but he’s right.”

OK, I haven’t read all of the posts here, but Obamacase IS the law of the land.

We lost people.

We are now controlled by the socialists. Our health care is now in the hands of the Federal Government.

Assuming we won’t be able to replace it, anyone have suggestions on how to avoid the controls of Obamacare as individuals?

Can we buy private care or something?


185 posted on 11/08/2012 5:21:23 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: SC_Pete

Well, I do know a number of health care professionals, and every last one of them knows exactly what is coming as it relates to their field, and every one of them voted for Romney.

One particular gentleman, an occupational therapist, expects that all smaller, more rural hospitals will be forced to close due to cost.

Doctors may cease seeing medicare patients due to reimbursement problems and others may close their practices due to patient load.


186 posted on 11/08/2012 5:23:35 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“lowering my “economic footprint” and trying to starve the beast. “

OK, so maybe we can coordinate this effort to starve the beast.

Let’s stop buying stuff unless absolutely necessary.

No new cars, unneeded clothing, home remodels, pricy vacations, eating out or prepared foods.

Perhaps we should start living like the economic collapse that we know is coming has already occurred.

The cut back in commerce and individual spending should start immediately.


187 posted on 11/08/2012 5:29:23 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: chris37

It will be a horror show. And he can’t BLAME BUSH!!! The costs, regulations, paperwork, rationing, shortage of healthcare professionals, death panels, hospital deaths, operating room confusion, overlapping and duplicative coverage, soaring deuctible costs-—on and on and on.

IT WILL BE A NIGHTMARE FOR OBAMA THAT THE PRESS CAN’T COVER UP.


188 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:44 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Tuxedo

“he can strike their budgetary amount just like that. Will he? Nope “

The only way to stop Obamacare it looks like to me is for the House to cut the funding.

But, Bohner is talking about bipartisan working with both sides of the house. That means he won’t take a hard line and stop the funding.

If there is a way, we must stop this terrible law.

Should we go to the streets? What can we do?


189 posted on 11/08/2012 5:33:31 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
All brace yourself for the coming game of economic “chicken.”

Just like a train barreling out of a tunnel... It's going to be very bad when it crashes.

190 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:39 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: TigersEye
That’s what I thought. It’s a fiscal bomb that can’t be defused. And it’s a short fuse. It’s already rotting the heart out of health care too and there isn’t much way to stop that either

You're right. I started reading it and crunching numbers, and once it was obvious that there was no way to sustain this, I quit. I have a great deal of respect for Paul Ryan - he kept going.

And it's not just health care. It'll kill research, it affects home sales, it's got it's fingers everywhere.

191 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:28 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Boehner is an emasculated male (for those who need a defintion of emasculated - think of a male dog that went to the vet and got neutered - balless wonder for those whom do not understand neutered0 what do we expet from Boehner he will encourage the other republicans that compromuise is essential - it is the spirit of bipartisanship. bipartisanship is just another name for a politician with no backbone.


192 posted on 11/08/2012 5:52:09 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Tuxedo

You are correct. They were voted in to stop this. They seem to have forgotten why they are in the position they are in. No he can’t repeal it but they can stop any funding from any part of it. This along with some of the Republican Govs. refusing to set up exchanges would bring the issue back out in the open where the people can see what is going on. They are trying to hide this until it’s implemented


193 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:20 PM PST by Joshua
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To: SCalGal
And it's not just health care. It'll kill research, it affects home sales, it's got it's fingers everywhere.

Yes, this injection of toxins should kill the patient rather quickly. Unfortunately it will not be at all painless.

194 posted on 11/08/2012 5:59:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Lancey Howard

Someone needs to remind Boehner of the precedent set by the DEMOCRATS in 1973 (might be off a year,)


195 posted on 11/08/2012 6:03:04 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: TigersEye
Yes, this injection of toxins should kill the patient rather quickly. Unfortunately it will not be at all painless.

I just keep thinking of Stalin....

196 posted on 11/08/2012 6:03:24 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

That’s odd, it makes me think of Mao.


197 posted on 11/08/2012 6:04:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SC_Pete

No doubt. But it’s going to be a nightmare for a number great number of citizens too, including my mom who did vote for Romney.

Sadly there is no way to avoid it now. We are going to have to go through it.


198 posted on 11/08/2012 6:17:46 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Never on my watch

Boehner and probably most of the rest of the R house is ready to get out their dental dams and start “working” with demoncrats.


199 posted on 11/08/2012 6:44:26 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: garjog

Cloward-Piven strategy it to death. Just pay the “penalty tax” and then go to the ER a dozen times a year for sniffles, coughs and checkups...


200 posted on 11/08/2012 7:19:37 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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