Skip to comments.Boehner: ‘Obamacare Is The Law Of The Land’
Posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:03 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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Makes me wonder. Was the take over of the student loans a way for the government to fix the Dr. Shortage? I thought that their is a amendment to that take over that states something to the affect that having the loans the person has to donate time to the government?
I also believe that the pubs will not give up the power over the people either. And the people on this board think otherwise, they have not thought through the power over the people they would give up. When this was passed, this was the final nail. The system can not be fixed, way too late. If some politician tells you otherwise, they are lying.
So true but the pubbies ARE basically the same as the (D)s. They are controlled by the same elites. The (R)s can only talk a story - they can't implement it. Their money people wouldn't allow such.
Worse things are coming very rapidly. I agree that the above is a rational statement, but I suspect that Congress may have to keep their powder dry for much more “Unlawful” Shenanigans from this WPOS President
Why are there any Boehner supporters here? I don’t get it. What has Boehner done that any Freshman member of the House couldn’t also do? BOEHNER MUST GO!!! For crying out loud, I’ve been saying this for almost 2 years; isn’t it obvious yet?
“That a law limited to such objects as may be authorised by the constitution...”
Tell that to the masterful SCOTUS Justice Roberts.
It doesn’t matter if it’s the law of the land or not if the country falls into bankruptcy and violence. Keep your powder dry folks. The takers will come after your stuff when (not if) the checks stop coming. Revolution is around the corner and it will be the takers versus the makers.
Bingo! Exactly. Just what I expected from the minute it was made law.
Regardless what Boehner says about Obamacare being law, I have been disturbed with the Supreme Court's decision on Obamacare as per the following explanation. Regardless that Justice Roberts referenced Gibbons v. Ogden in the Obamacare opinion, he seems to have "overlooked" (ignored?) clarification in the Gibbons opinion concerning the federal government's constitutional authority to address healthcare, actually the lack thereof.
More specifically, Roberts seemingly ignored two key statements in the Gibbons opinion which clearly indicate, imo, that Congress has no constitutional authority to make legislation of any kind regulating public healthcare.
In fact, note that the first statement below clarifies, in a single sentence, that not only is public healthcare a state power issue, sovereign state powers to address public healthcare issues protected by the 10th Amendment, but also that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate intrastate commerce; FDR's activist justices got the Commerce Clause wrong in Wickard v. Filburn.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, c. are not within the power granted to Congress (emphases added)." --Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Chief Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
In other words, Congress cannot make laws to lay taxes or establish penalties in the name of intrastate public healthcare any more than it can make laws regulating 1st Amendment protected religious expression and freedom of press imo.
Here's two more excerpts from USSC case opinions which likewise indicate that Congress has no constitutional authority to make laws regulating intrastate healthcare. Note that Justice Barbour referenced the above excerpt from Gibbons in New York v. Miln, expanding it as follows.
"Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description (emphasis added), as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass." --Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln, 1837.
And before Constitution-ignoring FDR nuked the Supreme Court with activist justices, Constitution-respecting justices had again emphasized that Congress has no business sticking its big nose into intrastate medical practice.
Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress. Linder v. United States, 1925.
Unfortunately, until the states decide to delegate to Congress via constitutional amendment the specific power to tax and spend in the name of public healthcare, the federal government's unconstitutional power grab concerning Obamacare is stalling the states from establishing their own healthcare programs, evidenced by Massachusetts' RomneyCare.
The bottom line is that constitutionally indefensible federal Obamacare is glaring evidence that Article V of the Constitution is the best kept secret of the unconstitutionally big federal government imo.
Hope there is a massive layoff in this country. They can be without health insurance and when they go to Dr hope clinics say no to them.
All the more reason Boner should not be Speaker. Maybe we can persuade Caliph Hussein to give him a Cabinet job.
Sadly, you are correct.
There was an election. We lost.
There was a Supreme Court decision. We were betrayed.
It is the law of the land.
“Why are there any Boehner supporters here?”
There is nothing in my posts that imply I am a Boehner supporter. I am merely stating facts. I am not going to lie about someone I may disagree with.
I believe in debating with facts as much as I can. And, I am not infallible in that area.
Let’s deal with the truth...it is a powerful weapon.
you forget that for anythingj to even get up to the president must go through the senate aand that is Democratic. So it would be useless at best. Need to focus on spending that is more powerful
Appointments. Hold up his radical judical appointments. Pass legislation the country wants but Obama will veto: shoot down his treaties, hold hearings—oh the fun has only begun. Pass balance budgets, defund Obama care. The list is endless. We President, Senate and house in 2016 if we play it right.
RINO doing the rollover like a dog.
Did you see Boehner’s tweet via Perdogg? The story is not what ABC is reporting.
Brave Sir Boehner bravely runs away, once again.
I say: "Defund #ObamaCare OR repeal @johnboehner"
I started crunching the numbers - it's simply not sustainable. It CAN'T work.
And you expect John Boehner to do those things?
0bamaCare is enough to crash the economy all by itself isn’t it?
OK Sparky We just appointed you Speaker. Take us through the steps on how you would repeal and defund Obamacare.
Be clear and concise and show us all the steps you would take.
We will be especially interested in the parts where you get Harry Reid's and Barry Hussein's signatures on the legislation.
You do realize it takes both those things to do anything at all about Obamacare, right?
Actually, Perdogg has posted Boehner’s tweet...and the mainstream media, as usual, only told part of the story.
"They said the same thing about Prohibition in 1928."
I gotta say, that is the BEST "cut to the core of the issue" ANSWER on the entire matter I've heard.
You should write the Speaker's lines for him.. or maybe, better yet, take his place.
No, that’s the Senate, if we take it in 2014. The Senate approves appointments and treaties. And right now, the RAT Senate has blocked abolishing Obamacare a number of times already.
If the House and Senate send it to Obama and he vetoes, that’s political fireworks. And would probably give us the White House in 2016. PEOPLE WILL LOATHE OBAMACARE BY THEN.
The little crybaby could simply defund it. We have the House which has the purse strings.
What? People are going to hate us? Who? The blacks—they don’t vote for us anyway? The single women who are going to find out they will have to buy a policy or pay a penalty? They don;t like us now. The Hispanics? Which ones, the legal ones or the illegal Dreamers?
They all hate us now, according to the pollsters and the GOP.
So what do we have to lose?
And there are other cases before the Supreme Court involving Obamacare which may strike it down.
So, refuse to pass any budget with funds for implementation in it.
But that would take balls. Something Boehner lacks.
Here’s the dirty secret: The Federal elected Republicans didn’t and don’t really mind about ObamaCare. It expands there own personal power. It’s good for their careers. And that’s all the vast majority of them are, careerist. Nation last, screw the voters, they have no where else to go.
Yes, it is, and it really shouldn't take all that long either.
He can defund it. That could’ve started two years ago. Face Boehner LIKES ObamaCare. So shut up.
How much longer will the Republicans put up with this simple assclown Boehner?
All brace yourself for the coming game of economic “chicken.”
That’s what I thought. It’s a fiscal bomb that can’t be defused. And it’s a short fuse. It’s already rotting the heart out of health care too and there isn’t much way to stop that either.
Nothing. The problem is that Boehner is LYING.
The House comtrols the purse strings completely, and the House can defund Obamacare, or pieces of it, anytime it wants.
” I have no love for Boehner but he’s right.”
OK, I haven’t read all of the posts here, but Obamacase IS the law of the land.
We lost people.
We are now controlled by the socialists. Our health care is now in the hands of the Federal Government.
Assuming we won’t be able to replace it, anyone have suggestions on how to avoid the controls of Obamacare as individuals?
Can we buy private care or something?
Well, I do know a number of health care professionals, and every last one of them knows exactly what is coming as it relates to their field, and every one of them voted for Romney.
One particular gentleman, an occupational therapist, expects that all smaller, more rural hospitals will be forced to close due to cost.
Doctors may cease seeing medicare patients due to reimbursement problems and others may close their practices due to patient load.
“lowering my “economic footprint” and trying to starve the beast. “
OK, so maybe we can coordinate this effort to starve the beast.
Let’s stop buying stuff unless absolutely necessary.
No new cars, unneeded clothing, home remodels, pricy vacations, eating out or prepared foods.
Perhaps we should start living like the economic collapse that we know is coming has already occurred.
The cut back in commerce and individual spending should start immediately.
It will be a horror show. And he can’t BLAME BUSH!!! The costs, regulations, paperwork, rationing, shortage of healthcare professionals, death panels, hospital deaths, operating room confusion, overlapping and duplicative coverage, soaring deuctible costs-—on and on and on.
IT WILL BE A NIGHTMARE FOR OBAMA THAT THE PRESS CAN’T COVER UP.
“he can strike their budgetary amount just like that. Will he? Nope “
The only way to stop Obamacare it looks like to me is for the House to cut the funding.
But, Bohner is talking about bipartisan working with both sides of the house. That means he won’t take a hard line and stop the funding.
If there is a way, we must stop this terrible law.
Should we go to the streets? What can we do?
Just like a train barreling out of a tunnel... It's going to be very bad when it crashes.
You're right. I started reading it and crunching numbers, and once it was obvious that there was no way to sustain this, I quit. I have a great deal of respect for Paul Ryan - he kept going.
And it's not just health care. It'll kill research, it affects home sales, it's got it's fingers everywhere.
Boehner is an emasculated male (for those who need a defintion of emasculated - think of a male dog that went to the vet and got neutered - balless wonder for those whom do not understand neutered0 what do we expet from Boehner he will encourage the other republicans that compromuise is essential - it is the spirit of bipartisanship. bipartisanship is just another name for a politician with no backbone.
You are correct. They were voted in to stop this. They seem to have forgotten why they are in the position they are in. No he can’t repeal it but they can stop any funding from any part of it. This along with some of the Republican Govs. refusing to set up exchanges would bring the issue back out in the open where the people can see what is going on. They are trying to hide this until it’s implemented
Yes, this injection of toxins should kill the patient rather quickly. Unfortunately it will not be at all painless.
Someone needs to remind Boehner of the precedent set by the DEMOCRATS in 1973 (might be off a year,)
I just keep thinking of Stalin....
That’s odd, it makes me think of Mao.
No doubt. But it’s going to be a nightmare for a number great number of citizens too, including my mom who did vote for Romney.
Sadly there is no way to avoid it now. We are going to have to go through it.
Boehner and probably most of the rest of the R house is ready to get out their dental dams and start “working” with demoncrats.
Cloward-Piven strategy it to death. Just pay the “penalty tax” and then go to the ER a dozen times a year for sniffles, coughs and checkups...