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The Voters Who Stayed Home (The Key to Understanding the Results of the 2012 Elections)
National Review ^ | 11/10/2012 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 11/10/2012 5:13:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: mouse1

What they did was insure that we will never win at the ballot box again.

After 4 more years of Obama, a conservative is not ever going to win again.

The country will be moved farther left to the point of no return. Amnesty will be granted for sure now, and it will guarantee Dems votes to the point they won’t even have to cheat anymore.

The GOP will go on win or not. It is the good people who showed up to try and save the ballot box who will suffer.

They are too dense to see that now the GOP WILL move farther left. A third party would take many years for a following. Likely they will not get the die hard Romney supporters. So how is that winning?

They have more parties in European countries that never win.

That is the fate.

I am sick of this.


51 posted on 11/10/2012 6:04:49 AM PST by dforest
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To: JRandomFreeper
First of all the election is over...so I'm not talking to you as if I want you to vote for my candidate. Do you understand that?

My attitude had nothing to do with you staying home. That was your own folly.

Here is how I know you are a fool. You tell me to change my attitude and actions or keep losing. JRANDOMFREEPER -- The country is already lost. The consequences of your no vote have been reaped. It is all going to burn and your stupidity was the match. The only thing I can do now is prepare for the inevitable.

52 posted on 11/10/2012 6:06:29 AM PST by carton253
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To: Ken H

Is that true? Millions uncounted? Dang, that seems a lot.

But you are right. We have to match apples to apples, final total votes of McCain to final votes to Romney and start there.


53 posted on 11/10/2012 6:06:36 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: rbg81

If they are equally disgusted with both parties, and think the parties are the same, they are not “good hard working” people.

They are lazy idiotic dolts.


54 posted on 11/10/2012 6:07:33 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: Soul of the South
Romney appears to have received 2 million votes less than McCain. McCain was a lousy candidate. If Romney received 2 million fewer votes in this economy he must have been an even worse candidate.

If I'm reading the numbers right, Romney's going to exceed McCain's 2008 total and approach Bush's 2004 total. See my post #40.

55 posted on 11/10/2012 6:08:16 AM PST by Ken H
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To: snarkytart
We have our share of Romney haters here on FR, but my guess is that number nationally isn't that large, given the obvious and stark contrast between 4 more years of Obie, vs. Romney. It befuddles how these two candidates could appear as two sides of the same coin.

Regardless, something kept 'em home. Some of the above, some afraid of Mormonism, some GOTV failures, some voter fraud, and media bias for sure. .

It's looking like Mitt's pulled punches re: Benghazi in the later debates was a serious mistake, as it might have convinced many that Mitt has cajones, and forced the media to make it an issue in the final month.

Clearly, the electorate has no clue how much debt 15 trillion is. I'm toying with Al Ahlert's idea that Republicans vote present in the upcoming year, ceding all responsibility for things to come to Obie and the Dems. It's not a pre-election tactic, but now after, we might as well. If we protest and lose, we'll be charged with obstruction. Call their bluff. If Dems can't shoulder blame on us, they'll be less crazy. Similarly, supporting blanket amnesty with one proviso-- no voting rights for 25 years--would dampen, probably kill-- Dems support.

Republican leadership has failed miserably, so it's time for a drastic change. 3rd party ? Rand Paul and Sarah Palin keeping popping into my mind.

56 posted on 11/10/2012 6:09:31 AM PST by chiller (Sky is the limit with max T-Partiers in the House and Senate to stifle the RINOs)
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To: carton253
I'm in Texas, son. Not Ohio. My vote, or lack of it did nothing but get Cruz into the senate.

Quit berating people that don't vote like you want them to, or lose their vote.

How hard is that? Call me stupid? I'm not voting for your guy. That's the way that works.

You are the one name-calling and angry.

Others of us are trying to get conservatives elected.

/johnny

57 posted on 11/10/2012 6:11:04 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dforest

No, the takers won’t multiply in 4 years- that’s because there will be no more money for them in short time.

THey have run out their use for Hussein. He doesn’t need to give them a thing. Watch how he ingnores them like they were a bunch of Staten Islanders without power, water, heat & shelter.

The media will follow BO and ignore them as well. BO will eventually ignore the media and shut them down if they dare to report on him. It doesn’t go both ways for him.

BO is the only taker that matters. There will be much more taking over the next four years, months, really, is all it’s going to be for him.


58 posted on 11/10/2012 6:12:59 AM PST by stanne
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To: dforest

I am sick of this.

Me too. I am so angry and sad. I cant believe we let our Country go down like this.


59 posted on 11/10/2012 6:13:23 AM PST by mouse1
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To: C. Edmund Wright
They are lazy idiotic dolts.

Because with a sales line like that... you just can't miss.

What you are doing hasn't worked. Maybe try not calling people that don't vote for your candidate idiots... crazy as that sounds...

/johnny

60 posted on 11/10/2012 6:13:52 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

“the Left’s embrace of illegal immigration.”
Sure it does, but so does the “business community” and the Wall Street Journal. It’s all good, they say. Those people wading across the Rio are nuclear physicists as well as grass cutters, all contributing to our booming economy.
And it’s bi-partisan. The Elder Bush invented NAFTA, and it was Bubba who pushed it through Congress.


61 posted on 11/10/2012 6:14:31 AM PST by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: SeekAndFind

This aspect of the ‘blame game’ is total BS...it is the fault of this group; it is the fault of that group.

Here is who is at fault...the GOP nominates a candidate who was being rejected by 65-70% of Republican voters all the way thru the primary process. They leave their primaries ‘open’ to Democrat shenanigans. Then they are SHOCKED when a good portion of the 65%’ers don’t show up on Election Day. That ‘where else are they going to go?’ mandate didn’t sell. They stayed home. Blacks obey their plantation owners on Election Day...enough of the 65%’ers threw off their chains to keep Romney from winning. It’s as simple as that.


62 posted on 11/10/2012 6:14:37 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

63 posted on 11/10/2012 6:16:41 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe because the Cuban vote is no longer what you think it is.

We live in a very Cuban part of Miami (Little Havana). We can see the generation shifts pretty easily. The Cubans who came here after Castro took power are very conservative, but very old, and dying out. (Some may finally be hoping they can go home and visit the country in which they were born as well.) I suspect the support for Rubio has to do with the fact that he is Cuban more than any important politics.

They are also very oriented to the “old country” and language. (My neighbor across the street learned English because he had to for work, but his wife still does not speak English and does not drive a car (that is the husband’s job).)

Their children are quite different. They are quite a bit more liberal (remember, they have grown up in our public school system, not Cuba’s), including their Catholic religion (several are divorced, and I am pretty sure one has had an abortion).

They also put a pretty high value on education, and they have a lot of kids of their own. A number of my neighbors’ kids have become teachers. Our neighborhood still had about 10x more Romney signs than Obama signs (which of course raises the other issue of vote fraud, given the fiasco we had here), but I was surprised at the number of Obama signs I saw. Guess which houses had them? The houses where I knew at least one of their children was a teacher, or other public school employee.

Which brings us right back to the issue of voter turnout (or lack thereof).

My impression is that the Cubans who had the Obama signs out on their lawns were much more motivated to actually go and vote than were the Romney supporters who only sensed a vague connection with the candidate.


64 posted on 11/10/2012 6:17:24 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: ConservativeDude
Check out this election map from cnn. You can look up the % of votes counted in each state. Look at CA, WA, OR, OH and MI. I'd guess Romney has 2-2.5 million additional votes.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main

65 posted on 11/10/2012 6:18:52 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
I'm sure you're correct. We have one here ; the new CD 9 in AZ had snafu's and still has 100,000 - 200,000 votes yet to be counted as of Friday am. That's one district.

Bottom line, Mitt may have beaten McCain and tied Bush 43 which raises other questions, doesn't it ?

66 posted on 11/10/2012 6:19:44 AM PST by chiller (Sky is the limit with max T-Partiers in the House and Senate to stifle the RINOs)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“This is a basic, basic lesson. You do not vilify the most passionate, and dedicated supporters in order to fish for wishy washy moderates.
You will lose every time.”

The numbers don’t support your assertion.

Without a coalition of conservatives and moderates, you will lose every time.

There are not enough true conservatives to win national elections.

Because of the changing demographics of the electorate, if conservatives don’t accept a candidate that falls short of their ideal, the democrats will outnumber republican votes by ever-widening margins.

The GOP-e won’t let this happen. Conservatives will be left behind and the party will be forced to look for a broader coalition that includes moderate independents and moderate Latinos, and conservatives will lose their remaining seats at the table.

I don’t particularly like this, but I think that’s what will happen.


67 posted on 11/10/2012 6:22:05 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: timestax
Voters who did NOT vote...here may be our future


68 posted on 11/10/2012 6:22:05 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: carton253
First of all the election is over...

There is another one coming up in 2014 and 2016. I will remember what you are saying now.

Do YOU understand that?

/johnny

69 posted on 11/10/2012 6:23:31 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Soul of the South

All good points. Where I disagree is with Rubio getting the Palin treatment. Florida is not Wasilla. Rubio does not take any votes away from Romney. Ryan was a safe pick. Safe doesn’t win elections.

I don’t think Alinsky could have made it any more clear. The lefts biggest fear is ridicule. That’s all we had to go with. Nothing else would have worked.


70 posted on 11/10/2012 6:23:30 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Media goes nuts in 2004 because Bush went to the dentist 20 years ago. Benghazi? Nothing.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are many people in the country who believe it makes no difference which party wins these elections.

McCarthy is 100% correct about this. What's pathetic is that those "many people" are being vindicated every time the bloated Federal big gets even more massive under REPUBLICAN oversight.

71 posted on 11/10/2012 6:24:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm sick of hearing all the braying about voters who stayed home.

Romney had more than enough votes to win. The difference was in the outright fraud perpetrated by the 'Rats.

Perhaps it was a combination of the two. But our system of electing candidates is broken. It is corrupted and needs to be fixed. The fix is simple. Voter photo ID and no early voting. Period.

72 posted on 11/10/2012 6:24:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ('Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own...)
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To: sport

“Those who oppose him will just be frauded out”.

Agree. The sanctity of the vote has been permanently destroyed by democrat corruption.


73 posted on 11/10/2012 6:27:22 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: JRandomFreeper

Enjoy the next 4 years. You’ve earned them.


74 posted on 11/10/2012 6:27:48 AM PST by carton253
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I agree with you. I still believe this election was stolen. It would be nice to not have to blame boneheads for handing Ocrap the election.

The votes are not all counted yet. So maybe we all should wait for that.


75 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:33 AM PST by dforest
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To: BlatherNaut

If you watched that video earlier from some years back, that guy was saying you can program a 50%/48% election right into a machine and the poll inspectors would never see it.

Tells me all need to know. In that case, turnout does not matter.


76 posted on 11/10/2012 6:32:27 AM PST by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

Be prepared to hear all about lots of “voters staying home”...the Bipartisan Oligarchy would rather we all stew in that mess..than having us all bothered, and deciding to investigate, about all the voters voting who never voted...

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by the commentators on Fox election night..made me realize..what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.

The very LAST thing the Bipartisan Oligarchy want or need is any semblance of Constitutional Federal Gov’mt or a clean vote.

Both those are up to We the People to cram it down their throats so hard in DC they will, someday, never do otherwise.


77 posted on 11/10/2012 6:32:52 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
People didn't want your candidate. What part of that is difficult to understand.

Not difficult to understand at all.

A minority of people are immature purists who can't put up a good candidate of their own so pout and throw tantrums.

Very transparent easy to see. There will always be the immature among us.

78 posted on 11/10/2012 6:35:08 AM PST by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind
There’s a good chance that folks who stayed home went a “bridge too far” this time.

From here on out it’s a miracle if national elections are any different than a local Chicago election in which case they can all work their hearts out for a candidate and even each one vote twice but it won’t make a difference.

The fact is they’re playing Russian Roulette with their future and the future of the children but have convinced themselves they're standing on the moral high ground.

JMHO

79 posted on 11/10/2012 6:36:04 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You continue to prove my point. These are not “my” candidates by any means.

This is not about someone kissing your ass and wooing you to do the right thing. If you are not man enough and smart enough to do that, then you are just as much a part of the problem as the obama stash obama phone woman.

Your perverted shallow analysis that this is a sales game and somehow I benefit from your vote - is just pathetic and infantile. The country will be devastated by another four years of Obama and every single person who did not try to stop that is partially culpable.

If you sat around waiting for the “right” candidate to strike your fancy or for the right person to kiss your sorry ass in the right place, then you are an abomination.


80 posted on 11/10/2012 6:40:06 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: what's up
are immature purists

You say that.. and yet you want me to vote for your candidate... Do you see any issue there?

You are insulting the people that control the votes that you want and need.

In what way does that help your cause?

/johnny

81 posted on 11/10/2012 6:42:45 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rashputin

“The fact is they’re playing Russian Roulette with their future and the future of the children but have convinced themselves they’re standing on the moral high ground.”

They gave our children Greece.

If Ronald Reagan was a Mormon, they wouldn’t have voted for him, either. Obama played the bigots like a violin.


82 posted on 11/10/2012 6:42:45 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: what's up

Well damn, I didn’t know Mitt was “your” and “my” candidate? Did you? According to that brilliant sorcerer JRandomDumbass, you and I owned Mitt and it was “our” job to kiss JRandom’s rear end and woo him to our side.

I guess you and I didn’t do a good enough job of that for “our” candidate. Then again, I was under the silly notion that a vote was about simply making the best choice of those presented to us. Silly me.


83 posted on 11/10/2012 6:42:57 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the big mystery can be solved by just looking at our nominee...Romney.

There are a whole bunch of Republican base voters that wont vote for a Mormon. Magic underwear? Really?

Few conservatives could trust him with his far left record in office in MA.

Queer marriage, abortion, and a rabid anti-gunner.

He invented Obamacare!

Gee, I wonder why the electorate couldn't get enthused about a candidate that promoted everything they hate the only time he held public office?

84 posted on 11/10/2012 6:43:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: carton253

It’s your fault and my fault, don’t you know? It is our job to make sure we properly woo and sell JRandomBrainfart to get him to do us the momentous favor of his company at a polling place. You and I better get with the program!!!!!


85 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:49 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: SeekAndFind; SoConPubbie

The stay at home conservatives believe that by not participating in this elections it would make a statement that the Republicans were not conservative enough and make the Republicans more conservative. Of course the opposite is and true it makes them want to become more progressive and liberal and compete for the voters that cast votes.

The “Stay at Home” voters, “NO VOTE” voters and the Turd Party” voters may have squandered our last chance to stop the socialist.

What chance do we have of penacting any law that would eliminate ELECTION and VOTER FRAUD with an obama Justice Department??


86 posted on 11/10/2012 6:46:14 AM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: carton253
If you stayed home, for any reason, you have earned my contempt and scorn.

If you voted for Romney in any primary, you have earned my contempt and scorn...

Not realy, just making a point...

The first (or second) thing on Romney's agenda was to start new (unfair) trade agreements with South America so he could send more of our jobs there...

You guys were told not to shove Romney unto the people because he couldn't win...But you did it anyway...Now that's twice in a row...You were warned about McCain as well...

Maybe next time you'll vote for the conservatives' candidate...

87 posted on 11/10/2012 6:47:56 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Beagle8U

First, he didn’t “invent” Obama Care - but there’s not talking to you about that, so I’ll use an anology.

Nobel invented dynamite. Then he decided it was a bad thing and didn’t want to use it. Mitt has decided that Obama Care is a bad thing, and decided not to use it. Obama, on the other hand, has made another decision.

Would be ironic if you are taken out by an Obama death panel, now wouldn’t it?


88 posted on 11/10/2012 6:48:56 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
then you are an abomination.

That's sure to win votes.

Anger has it's place.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

If you want my vote, put up a candidate that has a PROVEN record of being anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-socialized medicine, and has reduced government.

Otherwise, sod off. Not voting for your guy.

Want to win? Play by those rules or don't win.

You can rant, rave, and excoriate until the cows come home.

But you can't make me vote for your guy, unless he meets my list.

/johnny

89 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:20 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney lost the Conservative Christian vote because he is a Mormon.

Southern Baptists have been trying to convert Mormons to Christianity for decades and they decided to stay home rather than vote for wither candidate.

To some Christians, Mormons are worse than Muslims because the LDS church has “stolen” the name of Jesus Christ to cover-up their true faith. Muslims simply discount Jesus as the Son of God and focus on Mohammad.

During the primaries, I said that Romney would never win because he was a Mormon and he needed the Bible Belt to win.
Turns out to be true.


90 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:44 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Iscool

You argue and think like an occupy wall street clueless liberal infant on jobs. Might I recommend the following sites for your enjoyment:
Huffington Post
Democrat Underground
Mother Jones

Enjoy.


91 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: JRandomFreeper

drop dead loser


92 posted on 11/10/2012 6:51:02 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
Those 9 million Americans need a new choice. We all do.

Great article.

93 posted on 11/10/2012 6:52:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The only wasted vote is one that doesn't represent you.)
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To: Iscool

You Kiddin’? If there is a next time, I am going to stay home and let you pay.

You seem to enjoy it, so we can do it all over again.


94 posted on 11/10/2012 6:54:55 AM PST by dforest
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Dude. Smell the coffee.

I was born and raised Southern Baptist in Texas during the 60s...

I married a Mormon (I think she was ex #3).

I don't give a rat's pointy little tail about his religion, except in a Christian sense, where I am required to pray for him.

I didn't vote for him because he was pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro socialized medicine and loves big government. That's his record.

His faith had zero to do about my vote.

/johnny

95 posted on 11/10/2012 6:56:12 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You are the dumbest poster ever on FR. You have no concept of your responsibility of citizenship. You have no idea of the purpose of a vote nor what a vote really is.

Moreover, you are just as much of a moocher and a taker as the obama phone woman. You expect to sit back and have others “sell” you a candidate, which is the same thing as sitting back and expecting Obama stash to pay for your life.

So when you need that operation to save your life, and the obama phone woman’s cousin is the bureaucrat who gets to decide whether you get the operation or whether the obama phone woman gets that operation, I hope that the aspirin you get will help ease your pain while you contemplate how you sat around and waiting for someone to kiss your ass in just the right way in 2012.

Have a nice life. You just insured that it will be shorter than otherwise....


96 posted on 11/10/2012 6:56:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; JRandomFreeper
Then again, I was under the silly notion that a vote was about simply making the best choice of those presented to us.

Those of us who understand the process get this.

The ones who don't are children who think they must be pandered to.

They throw a tantrum because they couldn't come up with a candidate of their own. They flail around looking for the perfect messiah. They are not only stupid...they're lazy and want only to be served...much like the entitlement crowd.

97 posted on 11/10/2012 6:57:19 AM PST by what's up
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To: yldstrk
drop dead loser

I don't expect I'll do that, but I will be voting in 2014 and 2016.

Want my vote? Get over your pout, and run a conservative.

Try not to step on your bottom lip.

/johnny

98 posted on 11/10/2012 6:58:50 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOPe is predictable in its propensity for drawing the one hundred and eighty degree wrong conclusions from the results of any election. This has been obvious for quite some time. We’ve had a few days since this one, and it is clear that this time is no exception.

But there are always a few like McCarthy who get it.

Translating that understanding into practical politics is quite another matter, of course. It will be some time before we know how many have learned the appropriate lessons from the this recently-completed farce of a fake election.


99 posted on 11/10/2012 6:59:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The only wasted vote is one that doesn't represent you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Some no doubt show up to vote for the O-Hole in protest to get the revolution started, which is laughable go on the internet to claim such ... this has to be disinformation or real stupid posters.
2. Some showed and never got counted [more likely]
Forget what we do NEXT time, it’s time to hold our pussy leadership soft and perfumed feet to the fire, starting with “that crybaby”


100 posted on 11/10/2012 6:59:58 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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