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Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line
ny times ^ | 11/10/2012 | By JONATHAN WEISMAN and JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 11/10/2012 7:53:35 PM PST by tobyhill

On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.

Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.

It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.

With President Obama re-elected and Democrats cementing control of the Senate, Mr. Boehner will need to capitalize on the chastened faction of the House G.O.P. that wants to cut a deal to avert sudden tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts in January that could send the economy back into recession. After spending two years marooned between the will of his loud and fractious members and the Democratic Senate majority, the speaker is trying to assert control, and many members seem to be offering support.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; boehner; gopcivilwar; idiotsdidntvote4mitt; kingboehner; obama; rinotyrantboehner; weep4america
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE “With President Obama re-elected and Democrats cementing control of the Senate, Mr. Boehner will need to capitalize on the chastened faction of the House G.O.P. that wants to cut a deal to avert sudden tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts in January that could send the economy back into recession. After spending two years marooned between the will of his loud and fractious members and the Democratic Senate majority, the speaker is trying to assert control, and many members seem to be offering support.”

Yep, save the Obama economy, and his legacy.

I can just see the Republicans arguments in 2016:

1) Republicans saved the economy under President Clinton
2) Dems killed the economy under President Bush
3) Republicans saved the economy under President Obama

So in 2016 vote in another Republican POTUS so...#2 ('killed economy') again????

Better yet last night someone told me not to worry because O might be impeached, yep, by Reid and Bohner.

201 posted on 11/11/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Boehner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: Darren McCarty

ok. but my Gosh, didn’t he play poker as a boy?


202 posted on 11/11/2012 10:26:52 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Darren McCarty
The Constitution Party? What have they done in 20 years? Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

The GOP - e what have they done for the last 20 years? Nothing. Worse than nothing. Lets' see - No child left behind. The American Dream act. The Patriot Act. NDAA. Don't ask don't tell. Obamacare funding. John Roberts... The GOP has actively worked against Conservatism.

FUGOP.

203 posted on 11/11/2012 10:40:04 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: tobyhill

Good on you. Its not whether you win or lose although winning is nice, its what you cost your opposition in the process.


204 posted on 11/11/2012 10:48:45 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop - dead party walking)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Either you’re confused or I’m confused. Operation Chaos was to get conservatives to vote for Hillary in the open primaries, in order to help the dems have a very contentious primary and convention - thereby dividing the party and making it difficult for half of the party to vote for whoever eventually won the primary.


205 posted on 11/11/2012 10:56:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Darren McCarty

You forget there was another problem in VA...all of the candidates except Romney and Ron Paul were denied a place on the primary ballot. Romney was in the bag and the gop-e wanted to make sure that nothing stood in the way.


206 posted on 11/11/2012 10:59:17 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop - dead party walking)
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To: Nextrush

Pretty much. Spending on so called mandatory entitlements and the interest on the national debt already exceed revenues. If the discretionary budget were dropped to zero, including defense, we stillcouldnt balance the budget.

Fiscal cliff? We went sailing over it long ago.


207 posted on 11/11/2012 11:02:43 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop - dead party walking)
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To: Nextrush

Pretty much. Spending on so called mandatory entitlements and the interest on the national debt already exceed revenues. If the discretionary budget were dropped to zero, including defense, we stillcouldnt balance the budget.

Fiscal cliff? We went sailing over it long ago.


208 posted on 11/11/2012 11:03:15 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop - dead party walking)
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To: tobyhill

Generally speaking, when a party or organization of any type fails at a major project, those most responsible for that project’s management are held to account. Have Boehner or the campaign managers been subjected to demands to explain the failure? Has anyone done a good analyis of the election data to determine what failed, what worked, and what is needed going forward. Boehner jumped so quickly after the election with recommendations that, quite frankly, could not have been based on good analysis and seem best designed to increase the Democrat party’s influence and voter base.

Either Boehner is trying to escape removal by throwing around his waning power or he is actively trying to strengthen the Democrat Party. The latter is unlikely but, indirectly, that is what Boehner’s recommendations will lead to.

The Repub party leaders who are responsible for this loss seen to have a vision of a French/Canadian/Australian-style government where the major political parties are just variations on a socialist theme with socialism as the accepted domain for government policy. That is, of course, the very system that the US was designed to avoid. The driving force behind top Repub decision makers’ long-term plan, if there is one, seems to be demographic trends. However, those trends do not favor creation of a government along the lines of France, Sweden, or even Greece. Those nations have different demographic makeups and to the extent those nations are experiencing shifts toward immigrants that absorb, rather than contribute to, national economic health, those nations are facing expensive declines in their abilities to maintain socialist government structures.

Repubs need to do some research and think a little more. Just watch what has happened in the governmental/social laboratory that we know as California. At some point, the government in that state began to oscillate between wacky and wackier. Government employee rolls swelled. A portion of the economy went and will continue to go “off the books”—as in illegal employees. Government funds will, of course, be increasingly fought over by all the various groups in the state. And, Calif is essentially a one-party political system. Voting in Calif is about ballot initiatives, not candidates.


209 posted on 11/11/2012 11:04:11 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: sickoflibs
"Better yet last night someone told me not to worry because O might be impeached, yep, by Reid and Bohner"

Much depends on the Petraeus testimony - Benghazi, etc. It actually IS possible if the results are actually heard by the electorate.

Public opinion can go viral & Reid and Bohner will have to listen to the furious uproar.

210 posted on 11/11/2012 11:11:36 AM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Catsrus

Operation Chaos didn’t backfire. Rush’s purpose was to keep Hillary in the primary race to the end. And it worked. Otherwise Obamuzzie was on track to sew up the dem nom about half way thru the primaries in which case he would have been yapping about his ‘mandate” even earlier. Rush did not bring us the Kenyan——the Christmas Party did.


211 posted on 11/11/2012 11:38:01 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1
Rush did not bring us the Kenyan——the Christmas Party did.

Along with the useless Republican Party.

212 posted on 11/11/2012 11:39:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: pallis

Ok - so I’m not a millionaire but if we give Obama what he wants and we get spending cuts and some (not all) loopholes closed up and agree to reform all over tax code then at least we don’t sacrafice 98% getting higher income taxes. I mean Obama has an upper hand with us right now and just taking a blow up the system in reality hurts everyone, including us. Granted I’m considered a RINO by all here but heck I voted Republican and am hopeful the divide in our own party can at least be met. Thoughts?


213 posted on 11/11/2012 11:46:36 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: GerardKempf
and just taking a blow up the system in reality hurts everyone, including us

Short-term, yes....but all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, and making the inevitable even worse in the end.

214 posted on 11/11/2012 11:48:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: concerned about politics

“Food will become very valuable (make sure to hide it well, because the democrats will try to steal that, too.”

The Mormons have teaching this since I was a kid (50+ years)


215 posted on 11/11/2012 12:10:50 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: Leaning Right

It’s all the media. If th media spent all day every day going after Dem failures, people would believe it.

Chnge the media, change the country.


216 posted on 11/11/2012 12:19:14 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: tobyhill
No more running Conservative candidates against Republicans in the primaries, run them in the General Election even if it gives the Rats more seats if we lose. The GOP has alienated us for the last time.

No thank you; although I understand that is the intent of this NY Times story, I don't take their political advice.

217 posted on 11/11/2012 12:34:10 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: BlueStateRightist
"The Era of the White Guy is over. Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio (or Susana Martinez, and not necessarily in that order) 2016. All our efforts over the next 4 years should build to this eventuality."

We are headed for economic collapse. It is just a matter of how fast and how total. If the future for the white guy is over, the future had better look better real fast or maybe the white guys should go Galt and bring the house down faster and see what emerges from the fires.

218 posted on 11/11/2012 12:35:07 PM PST by Truth29
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To: LADY J
RE “Public opinion can go viral & Reid and Bohner will have to listen to the furious uproar”

Right, Reid in the Senate too.

That reminds me of when Romney dropped talking about the Benghazi attack and a bunch of freepers actually posted HERE that the MSM will get the info to the voters in time for them to vote against O for it, so Romney didn't have to talk about it. The same MSM who they say is in the tank for O. is going to expose him before the election

Like people I see in debt who play the lottery expecting to win it and fix it and think that's a plan.

219 posted on 11/11/2012 12:41:24 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: tobyhill

The GOP has become the mini me of the liberal demwads. Same tactics only not as good at it.


220 posted on 11/11/2012 1:36:34 PM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: Catsrus

Op Chaos didn’t backfire, Clinton and Obama are both radicals.


221 posted on 11/11/2012 1:44:18 PM PST by jenk (My tagline is new.)
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To: Longbow1969

How did the latest GOP challenger do in DE btw?

Your analysis is long on emotion and short on facts.


222 posted on 11/11/2012 1:44:29 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: FredZarguna
How about straight from his lips, is that a good enough source?
223 posted on 11/11/2012 2:13:51 PM PST by jenk (My tagline is new.)
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To: DaveMSmith; NFHale; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
I wonder if this warrants a note to my us rep. I think Boehner is a lousy poker player and we could do better with someone else or form a 3rd party and let the dems be speaker.

I will tell my US Representative tomorrow to vote against Boehner as speaker. However, Obama may see the danger of newly converted amnesty ally Boehner getting thrown out next year, and for that reason amnesty may come up in the lame duck.

It's all going down the hopper anyway. Senate ignores everything passed.

Let's examine that statement. GOP senators were ready to pass amnesty in 2007 before the phones melted.

There are 45 GOP senators, with the same number after lame duck. Obama would need to pick off 6. I am not going to assume that the madness that has infected Boehner is contagious, but I am not going to assume that it is not. Not all senators are like Sessions.

Luger would get to vote for it and does not face reelection.

Flake has been for some amnesty proposals in the past, and even proposed his own.

Rubio has proposed his own dream act.

I think Kay Bailey Hutchison would vote no, but it took her a long time to make up her mind about the GWB amnesty. Cruz, taking over her job next year, sounds OK so far, but he is a new guy.

Kirk? He said that condoms reduce illegal immigration!

Murkowski: RINO but may vote against Obama amnesty, who knows.

And then there are the 2007 amnesty cheerleader McCain, Graham, Chambliss, Isakson.

224 posted on 11/11/2012 2:15:23 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: jenk

I understand that, however, I meant it backfired because the left used it on us in states that have open primaries.


225 posted on 11/11/2012 2:18:37 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: tennmountainman; Impy

Down at the Whore House

— Quar-tet

You gotta Boehner?

— Not yet.

Are ya gonna-get one?

— You bet.

Down at the Whore House

— Quar-tet


226 posted on 11/11/2012 2:30:28 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: WKB

Rush is also opposed to a new multi-million-voter block from illegal immigrants. Wanna give’em that? And what if Reid/O want Peurto Rico to be a state at the same time? You think the US is in trobule now, a major constituency shift would be concrete over the coffin.


227 posted on 11/11/2012 2:33:49 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: tobyhill

I am DONE with the GOP.


228 posted on 11/11/2012 2:55:04 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Catsrus

the left has been doing that for years. the fact that the GOP allows open primaries should be what you are pissed about.


229 posted on 11/11/2012 3:05:12 PM PST by jenk (My tagline is new.)
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To: DaveMSmith; NFHale; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
There are 45 GOP senators, with the same number after lame duck. Obama would need to pick off 6.

I said 6 because the socialist Bernie Sanders voted against amnesty in 2007. If Sanders, Manchin, etc., all vote TES, Obama needs only 5.

230 posted on 11/11/2012 3:18:00 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: tobyhill

Not Boehner’s fault. He is just a congenital RINO.

It’s the fault of these TEA Party reps, so-called, who won’t stand against him.


231 posted on 11/11/2012 3:42:54 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

“...a new multi-million-voter block from illegal immigrants. Wanna give’em that? And what if Reid/O want Peurto Rico to be a state at the same time?”

You are exactly right. If you give amnesty to millions of dem voters, in future elections you will have to not only retain your past vote count but also add sufficient numbers of new voters to overcome the new dem voters generated by amnesty. Every election since the late 80s has shown just how difficult if not impossible that is currently. What possible new policies or gifts does the GOP think it has to overcome that? It would be an essentially permanent shift to a one-party political system. There is a slim chance the GOP can compete in the current demographic situation but with amnesty, that chance would be erased, entirely, forever, and irretrievably. Any Repub considering amnesty should consider that, whatever the possible benefits (I think those are imaginary), the downside risk is catastrophic in magnitude.


232 posted on 11/11/2012 4:03:13 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DaveMSmith; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”I will tell my US Representative tomorrow to vote against Boehner as speaker. However, Obama may see the danger of newly converted amnesty ally Boehner getting thrown out next year, and for that reason amnesty may come up in the lame duck. “

The only reason Republicans would do anything in lame duck is because they think misguided maybe that they would get a better deal than the next congress. But I don't see that happening, I don't think Bohner is evil just cowardly and dumb.

Patty Murray was on ABC This Week and she said on camera that maybe the best thing is to let all the taxes go up and then come back in January to deal with it. Other Dems have said the same ON CAMERA.

If Republicans were saying this then congressional Dems would be on every TV station screaming “... said she/he is saying your taxes should go up

This is how Dems beat Republicans senseless last year and got them to surrender on both the budgets and the debt limit, by using their words against them as weapons.
Dems know how to fight and win. Republicans just put up some token resistance and then they give Dems the ammunition they need to crush them, and then they just cave.

No faith in that crew. I Expect them to cave again on this and vote as O dictates, then they will own it, and later try to say they were against what they voted, just like Ryan tried to do this year with the automatic cuts.

233 posted on 11/11/2012 4:58:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
i say let Obozo have everything he wants!

The guy is a lifelong Marxist. Do you really think he's any different from any other communist dictator? Every single one has rounded up the opposition or starved them to death.

Zero wants you disarmed, imprisoned, and then dead. Have at it turkey.

234 posted on 11/11/2012 5:11:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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The Republican Congressmen should all just vote present on everything that obama wants and then obama would get what he wants and he would actually have to “own” it. No way to blame the Republicans on it this time. We did not block or impede him so there is no one to blame but obama, Reid, and Democrats. Maybe the people would finally “see” the light without any filters.


235 posted on 11/11/2012 5:28:57 PM PST by Linfell
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To: jenk
How about straight from his lips, is that a good enough source?

Sure.

Show me where he told his caucus anything like what's printed in this article. Not some dumb public post-election reconciliation message, which is mandatory and meaningless; but a quote where he actually told Republicans to capitulate in a meeting behind closed doors.

236 posted on 11/11/2012 5:38:48 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You missed my point....the “masses” will only realize what Obozo’s policies do when they feel the pain of the economy and there is no more money.

Of course, the downside to letting them feel their pain is that it all flips into a dictatorship fast when there is civil unrest.


237 posted on 11/11/2012 5:51:28 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Darren McCarty

Wonder if you’ll feel the same way after Bohner betrays us?


238 posted on 11/11/2012 6:25:31 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Rush also gave us “Operation Chaos” in 2008. That led to Obama in the first place!

Exactly. Rush’s obsession with Hillary...gave us BO.

I’ve about had it with Rush lately. “and that reminds me...” He’s all over the place.
Levin is the only reliable voice for conservatives.


239 posted on 11/11/2012 6:38:13 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: tobyhill

I’ve held out hope for a long time, but the GOP is demonstrating the real need for a Conservative 3rd party.

We need to get started in earnest.

What a sorry situation. :-(


240 posted on 11/11/2012 6:44:46 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: FredZarguna

the election changed that.

you think that isn’t a message to stand down, tea party?

if you think that isn’t a message to stand down, considering his lack of conservative credentials, his lack of ability to negotiate with the man who wishes to bring America to its knees, you aren’t paying attention.


241 posted on 11/11/2012 6:50:23 PM PST by jenk (My tagline is new.)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
The only reason Republicans would do anything in lame duck is because they think misguided maybe that they would get a better deal than the next congress. But I don't see that happening, I don't think Bohner is evil just cowardly and dumb.

If Boehner thinks amnesty is such a great move for the GOP, why would he wait? Maybe because the GOP would have a smaller majority in the House next year? After the Dems took over congress, didn't didn't GWB say he could get things done now?

Along this same train of thought, if Boehner doesn't push amnesty in the lame duch session, it musr mean he is confident he will bee Speaker next year. But I am still going to tell my Rep to vote no.

Meanwhile, Lindsay Graham was on TV today explaining how amnesty will be great for the GOP.

Didn't you predict that with a Dem in the white house, the GOP would resist amnesty? Do you still believe that?

242 posted on 11/11/2012 6:54:34 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Of course, the downside to letting them feel their pain is that it all flips into a dictatorship fast when there is civil unrest.

I didn't miss your point at all. It is merely childishly specious. Zero is ABETTING "civil unrest," HE WANTS IT, but only after he's disarmed you with the UN Small Arms Treaty, which will effectively abolish the Second Amendment.

Don't think that could happen? Have I got news for you! It would only take 34 Senators, and you know damned well they've got that many. Worse than that, they will start enforcing it upon Hillary's signature alone per "customary international law."

Zero's plan is for his military-armed drug lord "civilian army that is just as powerful and just as well funded as the military" to be exterminating the likes of you. Why the hell would you be dumb enough to abet its execution with passivity? Yeah, just let him do it.

Sheesh.

243 posted on 11/11/2012 7:02:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
RE :”Along this same train of thought, if Boehner doesn't push amnesty in the lame duch session, it musr mean he is confident he will bee Speaker next year. But I am still going to tell my Rep to vote no. “

It might be like that freeper defending him said "Maybe no one will oppose him". Being Os bitch is not a rewarding job.

RE :”If Boehner thinks amnesty is such a great move for the GOP, why would he wait? Maybe because the GOP would have a smaller majority in the House next year? After the Dems took over congress, didn't didn't GWB say he could get things done now? “

That example is not a good one to use to argue a lame Duck push. If anything Bohner would have better luck next year with that with 6 more Dems.

Its a pretty ugly situation now but that is what delusion and fantasy gets a party. “We are winning. Romney will win big. Most Americans are conservatives and will vote Republican. Congress will impeach O ” wishes do not make reality change,.

If Republicans don't reality check and come up with real ideas that they know how to sell voters, and learn how to fight smart, then 2008 to 2012 will be the standard. Big losses with an occasional mid-term win.

244 posted on 11/11/2012 7:10:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: Catsrus

To #19 about Operation Chaos.

When Limbaugh started Operation Chaos to stop Hillary Clinton from obtaining the Democrat Party nomination for the presidency, she was a know quantity. She had a traceable record of associating with the Communist Left from her college days onward, including working for a Communist Party USA-membered law firm, Burstein, McTernan, Charles R. Gary (Oakland 7 and New Haven Conn Black Panther cases, among others).

Obama was an unknown and uninvestigated upstart from Chicago and nobody thought that he had a chance, except a few of us who began to look into his background (Trevor Loudon, a pioneer in Obama research; Jerome Corsi, another dedicated investigative researcher; Sean Hannity, i.e., the Rev. Wright tapes, Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in Media/USASurvival, Inc.; Herb Romerstein (former Govt intelligence investigator; and a handful of others over time including this writer.

Our work was largely ignored by the Mainstream Media, esp. the news networks. The only honorable exception was Glenn Beck, who used some of our material as well as what his staff of investigators began to find, based on our early works. Unfortunately Beck was written off as some Right-Wing kook instead of the investigative journalist he was.

Their was an extensive media coverup of Obama and his “running dogs” of Reds, Crooks, Crazies, and combinations thereof (Anita Dunn, Valerie Garrett, Van Jones (STORM), Robert McChesney (Free Press), Dr. Quentin Young and Milt Cohen, both identified CPUSA members, then later in the marxist Democratic Socialists of America (DSA); Alice Palmer, a CPUSA sympathizer; Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (SDS, Weathermen); the Progressives for Obama; etc.

Show me one major article in any major US paper about these groups and individuals, and I’ll eat the whole edition. Small articles might have appeared in some of the conservative press (Human Events, USA Survival, Inc. reports and press conferences; the Pittsburgh Tribune (?), etc but these are not large circulation MSM).

Would Hillary have been any better as president than Obama? Perhaps. She might have been a little less marxist and far-left ideologically. However, we will never know. But we do know that she serves Obama faithfully, furthering his goals to weaken America and to make us into a second-rate nation, with a Third World mentality.

Now is the time to regroup, rethink our goals, tactics/strategies, who we want for our leaders. It is certainly NOT backboneless Boehener and his crew. It is not Mitch McConnell or McLaim etc. Not even the American Conservative Union seems to get it. Karl Rove - “Hit the Rove, Jack, and Don’t Come Back No More, No More.”

Dick Morris - you need to rethink your methodology.

I want to hear more from Michele Malkin, Limbaugh, Hannity (to some degree), David Limbaugh, Lt. Col. Hunt, Gen. McIlnerny, MARK LEVIN on the CONSTITUTION and how to fight the Left with legal means, and from the new, younger conservatives from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

I’m with the older guys (Vietnam foreign and domestic fights). We know how to identify the enemy, and in many cases how to engage them, but we need younger troops to hump the boonies of America, telling the people what is really going on and what we, as Americans, can do about it.

We don’t need a wider tent, just a tent filled with smart, experienced, and loyal Americans of all races, creeds, and ethnic backgrounds. The only color we can see is the Red, White and Blue. We want the BEST of the BEST, and Veterans’ Day is the start of our new war of INDEPENDENCE from the Left.

As my friend Jim, a retired/disabled NYPD officer writes:

“Lances forward”. I say, “Take no prisoners, never surrender, never retreat. Onward, ever onward, TO VICTORY!

If you come in second, you are still a loser, and loyal, intelligent, hardworking Americans are NOT LOSERS. We are WINNERS and must always strive to be so.

If not, there will be no more America that has been the shining beacon of freedom for some many years.


245 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:55 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; S; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
RE :”Didn't you predict that with a Dem in the white house, the GOP would resist amnesty? Do you still believe that?”

I don't remember that exactly but it does make sense. IF Obama gets amnesty and the GOP helps him Republicans get nothing, nothing good. Dems get the credit.

That would be pretty stupid.

246 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: tobyhill
Is he offering to supply Vaseline from the same batch he used during the last debt negotiations? God knows he can teach them how to bend over and coo!
247 posted on 11/11/2012 7:35:00 PM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: dfwgator
Post election stupid statement. Don't feel bad since Repubs have a history of making stupid statements. Join the club.
248 posted on 11/11/2012 7:36:15 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Actually, Operation Chaos helped Hillary. Small minds equal small memories.


249 posted on 11/11/2012 7:39:30 PM PST by Dave W
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To: metesky

You do not have to be a member of the house to be its speaker. I could be speaker of the house.


250 posted on 11/11/2012 7:56:38 PM PST by GeaugaRepublican ("Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Mitt")
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