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Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line
ny times ^ | 11/10/2012 | By JONATHAN WEISMAN and JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 11/10/2012 7:53:35 PM PST by tobyhill

On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.

Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.

It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.

With President Obama re-elected and Democrats cementing control of the Senate, Mr. Boehner will need to capitalize on the chastened faction of the House G.O.P. that wants to cut a deal to avert sudden tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts in January that could send the economy back into recession. After spending two years marooned between the will of his loud and fractious members and the Democratic Senate majority, the speaker is trying to assert control, and many members seem to be offering support.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; boehner; gopcivilwar; idiotsdidntvote4mitt; kingboehner; obama; rinotyrantboehner; weep4america
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To: tobyhill

Agree. make sure everything that happens—the democrats and Obama own.

But NO to amnesty!


51 posted on 11/10/2012 8:26:19 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: skeeter

Doesn’t the GOP realize the NYT is the enemy?


52 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:02 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Are peoples memories really so short that they can’t remember what happened 4 years ago. Operation Chaos was where Rush encouraged Republicans to cross-over and vote for Hillary in order to prevent Obama from wrapping up the nomination early. How in the world did that give us Obama?


Perhaps my memory fails me, but I recall Rush encouraging votes for Obama in the primary out of fear that Hillary was the stronger candidate.

I could be mistaken. I couldn’t always get Rush’s show. Radio reception had been hit or miss depending on the weather.


53 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:43 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Longbow1969

I agree. And we need to make sure we have good competent local and state republican leadership which will be decided in the next couple of months.


54 posted on 11/10/2012 8:28:07 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Darren McCarty
I don't care if third party candidates work, it's divorcing the GOP and sending them the way of the Whigs as they need to be. Conservativatism will survive and will flourish after we get rid of and then rebuild the GOP.
55 posted on 11/10/2012 8:29:30 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Rome2000

i agree...i’d like to spit in Boehner’s face but his response to ayatollah obama’s demand for a tax increase was pretty much in line with what everyone on the right wants- tax reform and cuts in spending yet no tax increases....

as far as the article- the GOP controlled congress has not been to stellar the past two years so i won’t get upset....its more BS from the NYSlimes...


56 posted on 11/10/2012 8:29:30 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Yep. I was mistaken. Forgive me, it’s been a traumatic four years!


57 posted on 11/10/2012 8:29:41 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Perhaps my memory fails me, but I recall Rush encouraging votes for Obama in the primary out of fear that Hillary was the stronger candidate.

Before you accuse Rush of doing something that led to the election of Obama, don't you think it is incumbent upon you to at least check the accusation for accuracy before making it?

59 posted on 11/10/2012 8:31:06 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
The rino establishment types will ensure we get someone just as rino as boehner if not more

Then we need to get a new establishment. Our local and state republican parties are getting new executive committees in the next couple of months. Time to get to work.

60 posted on 11/10/2012 8:31:48 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
it’s been a traumatic four years!

Amen to that.

61 posted on 11/10/2012 8:33:12 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
"I could be mistaken."

You are completely mistaken. Rush hoped Hillary! would do some damage to obama, because he knew the hapless McCain wouldn't lay a glove on him.

62 posted on 11/10/2012 8:33:41 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

This wasn’t a case of “making it up.” I was wrong in my recollection. I checked “Ask.com” right after your last post. I knew for certain Rush wanted to weaken a candidate. I thought it had been Hillary.


63 posted on 11/10/2012 8:35:35 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: tobyhill
Doesn't work that way. What will happen is A. conservatives getting a reputation as unreliable and kicked to the curb, B. GOP moving more left, and C. Dems getting everything they want like 2008-2010 - like Obamacare.

I don't care if third party candidates work, it's divorcing the GOP and sending them the way of the Whigs as they need to be. Conservativatism will survive and will flourish after we get rid of and then rebuild the GOP.

And how exactly will conservatism survive and flourish? How will GOP be rebuilt?

64 posted on 11/10/2012 8:37:02 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: God luvs America
One possible way to disenfranchise the non tax payers is to pass vote reform legislation or an Executive Order requiring a national ID card to vote to eliminate vote fraud and stating that any citizen with zero federal tax obligation isn't going to get one.

I don't believe that would run afoul of any of the Constitutional Amendments passed so far, they don't speak to the issue.

65 posted on 11/10/2012 8:37:44 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
"it’s been a traumatic four years!"

And the party's only just started.

66 posted on 11/10/2012 8:42:14 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Irenic

i say let Obozo have everything he wants!

Then let the Obozo voters see what an Obozo world looks like.In 2016 we won’t even have to run election ads.


67 posted on 11/10/2012 8:47:11 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; vbmoneyspender
I remember Operation Chaos quite well. The point of it was to vote for whomever was the trailing candidate at any given point in time, so as to draw out the primary process and have Hillary and 0bama beat each other to a pulp.

Unfortunately, by the time it was in full swing, 0 already had sewn up most of the votes needed to win. I remember switching registration to vote for Hillary in the PA primary; but it didn't stop the 0bama express. In any event, we did not wind up with 0bama because of Operation Chaos. It was just a bit of fun.

68 posted on 11/10/2012 8:48:07 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
i say let Obozo have everything he wants!

I think the GOP should just walk out en masse when it comes up for a vote, NO BIPARTISAN COVER FOR BARRY.

69 posted on 11/10/2012 8:48:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: tobyhill
I disagree with that approach. The best strategy is to have the "Conservative Party" come up with a conservative Republican to serve as the standard-bearer for the movement, and put him/her up as the ONE candidate against any "establishment conservative" the Republicans put up on their own.

The downfall of the GOP this year began when you had a dozen idiots running out there splitting the vote, while Romney would "win" primaries with little more than a third of the vote. Some of these candidates ended up dropping out and endorsing 2-3 different candidates as more of THEM dropped out. I think Rick Perry dropped out and endorsed Gingrich, then endorsed Santorum when Gingrich dropped out, then endorsed Romney when Romney was the only one left. Yeah, that's a real vote of confidence there. LOL.

All of these candidates brought positive qualities to the table, but someone has to sit most of them down and tell them to take a walk before the first primary is held. Truth be told, this GOP field resembled the kind of cantina scene cast of characters we've become accustomed to seeing among the Democrats. Herman Cain? Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? Rick Perry? Ron Paul? Tim Pawlenty? Michele Bachmann? Jon Huntsman? Does the Republican Party really need all these people cluttering the primary field? Most of these candidates didn't have a chance in Hades to win the nomination, let alone win a presidential election.

70 posted on 11/10/2012 8:50:29 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I don’t think the U S has four years left.


71 posted on 11/10/2012 8:50:45 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: tobyhill

Useless, weepy Boehner has got to go NOW.


72 posted on 11/10/2012 8:52:17 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: tobyhill

...and we should believe the spin the NY Times puts on this story because???


73 posted on 11/10/2012 8:58:59 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: FredZarguna; vbmoneyspender

I remember Operation Chaos quite well. The point of it was to vote for whomever was the trailing candidate at any given point in time, so as to draw out the primary process and have Hillary and 0bama beat each other to a pulp.


Was it really four years ago? It seems like a long past distant age.

Lets pray and work for better days.


74 posted on 11/10/2012 8:59:09 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: tobyhill
Why, O why, O why, O why do FReepers, who never believe anything else printed in the New York Times suck up this preposterous agitprop as if it were gospel?

Why?

Read the article. The stunning claims in this piece are not sourced at all. The very vague generalities in this piece about reconciliation that have a name (Peter King) attached to them are typical post election boilerplate, and the quotes that take any serious position come from conservatives which completely contradict the thesis of the headline. They say they are NOT going to support a cave-in, and feel they have a mandate of their own.

For what should have been the last time twenty years ago: ANYTHING printed in The New York Times is pure crap that is only ever accidentally true, if even then.

Jeez, stop with the hand-wringing.

75 posted on 11/10/2012 8:59:28 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: tobyhill
Does anyone on this site trust the NY Times? Evil sows anger and deception. And the last time I checked the NYT qualified as evil. Does anyone on this site trust the pubbies to have a spine? So... It is a head fake, right? /s
76 posted on 11/10/2012 9:00:13 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: tobyhill
Does anyone on this site trust the NY Times? Evil sows anger and deception. And the last time I checked the NYT qualified as evil. Does anyone on this site trust the pubbies to have a spine? So... It is a head fake, right? /s
77 posted on 11/10/2012 9:00:13 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Operation didn't lead to Owebama.
78 posted on 11/10/2012 9:02:00 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: tobyhill

“I regret that I have but one spine to give to my enemy.”

“I have not yet begun to surrender.”

“Damn the constituents - full speed ahead.”


79 posted on 11/10/2012 9:02:33 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: tobyhill

F this drunk cry baby!


80 posted on 11/10/2012 9:04:15 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: All

They need to start harassing Boehner about Lisbeth Lyons and Leigh LaMora again.


81 posted on 11/10/2012 9:05:12 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: tobyhill; MrChips; All

” - - - avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.”

Note to FReepers: I’ll supply the music, and y’all supply the mental image of the Sobber of the House Boehner doing HIS rendition of the now famous GOP CHICKEN DANCE.

________

(Ahem)
BOUCK-BOUCK, Baaaaaack, bok-Bok-BOK-BOK! - - - BOK — BOUCK-BOK!
(Chorus)
BOUCK-BOUCK, Baaaaaack, bok-Bok-BOK-BOK! - - - BOK — BOUCK-BOK!
(Chorus)

__________

Note: Applause is NOT allowed!


82 posted on 11/10/2012 9:05:55 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: tobyhill

Screw BONER; and no, I didn’t misspell his name.
That’s what it really should be!


83 posted on 11/10/2012 9:05:55 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Everything but amnesty.


84 posted on 11/10/2012 9:10:15 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Operation Chaos’ purpose was NOT to stop Hillary. He encouraged voters to cross over and vote for Hillary in order to slow down Obama’s path to the nomination.


85 posted on 11/10/2012 9:14:04 PM PST by Montanabound
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To: cripplecreek

Watch it! Yer gonna make him cry!!! (snif)


86 posted on 11/10/2012 9:21:50 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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To: OldPossum
i believe the speaker of the house doesn't even have to be a current congressman. Levin talked about it some months ago. But I’m not sure if you can be a senator and speaker of the house.Seems to be a double dip there.
87 posted on 11/10/2012 9:28:36 PM PST by Palin_Rubio2012
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
It's purpose was the abolition of RINO allowed "open primaries!" RINO's wanted open primaries to stop conservatives from taking over the party, don'tcha remember???

I'm with you on the seniority bit on FR. This site would shrivel and die if we didn't allow newbies to join and contribute!!!

88 posted on 11/10/2012 9:32:24 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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To: tobyhill
I'm hoping this is just a setup, a ploy to give the Republicans cover to say, "Gee, we really tried to compromise with the African communist Ubanga but he just wouldn't budge."


89 posted on 11/10/2012 9:35:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Palin_Rubio2012
That being said Mrs. Palin is available. :)

At least i can guarantee she wouldn't be crying and would be third in line.

90 posted on 11/10/2012 9:42:14 PM PST by Palin_Rubio2012
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To: OldPossum

Make Mark Levin Speaker of the House. There is not a Constitutional requirement for the Speaker to be a member of the House. They can be anyone. Lets get someone up there with a set of minerals.


91 posted on 11/10/2012 9:52:57 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (,)
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To: Irenic

“To have a voice at the bargaining table, John Boehner has to be strong,” said Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, one of the speaker’s lieutenants. “Most members were just taught a lesson that you’re not going to get everything that you want. It was that kind of election.”

I’ve heard this before back in 2011. In order for John Boehner to do well, all the GOP House Members have to tell him in advance that they will accept whatever he comes up with. There is absolutely no logic in this.


92 posted on 11/10/2012 9:57:04 PM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative
“To have a voice at the bargaining table, John Boehner has to be strong,”

To have a voice at the table? Excuse me, why would his voice be any less at the table? Obama can't push something through w/o Boehner or Reid and Obama and Reid can't push something through w/o Boehner. Seems to me it's a three way deal.

“Most members were just taught a lesson that you’re not going to get everything that you want. It was that kind of election.”

Okay, so they think Boehner is now the Dictator of the House? Maybe it is Boehner that needs to be taught a lesson. I absolutely detest that man!

93 posted on 11/10/2012 10:33:59 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Leaning Right

The primaries must be closed!!!


94 posted on 11/10/2012 11:04:07 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: tobyhill

My letter to my Congressman (Michael McCaul)-

Please consider election of another House speaker- Boehner is a worthless wimp, and does not represent me, or any of my friends, and is crossways with the goals of the Tea Party. We need someone like Paul Ryan, or yourself, or a vast number of fine, Conservative Representatives. The survival of our country, and the Republican Party depend on it! Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Sincerely, (Real name here).


95 posted on 11/10/2012 11:08:01 PM PST by matthew fuller (God cast his early vote 10/29 in Obamaland!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I’ve heard that before, and I overwhelmingly agree with your choice!


96 posted on 11/10/2012 11:11:01 PM PST by matthew fuller (God cast his early vote 10/29 in Obamaland!)
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To: Darren McCarty; All

Again, the primaries must be closed!!!


97 posted on 11/10/2012 11:12:51 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: tobyhill

Note to Boehner:

Normally it’s considered bad leadership to blame your troops for a loss.

But then, if the troops elected you to be their leader, I suppose it is kind of their fault.


98 posted on 11/10/2012 11:38:19 PM PST by PressurePoint
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To: tobyhill

Seriously, the nyt waste of post.


99 posted on 11/11/2012 12:12:39 AM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: tobyhill

Seriously, the nyt waste of post.


100 posted on 11/11/2012 12:12:46 AM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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