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The Voters who stayed Home (bitter pill: Republicans re-elected Obama)
National Review Online ^ | 11/10/12 | McCarthy

Posted on 11/11/2012 11:27:31 AM PST by pabianice

The key to understanding the 2012 election is simple: A huge slice of the electorate stayed home.

The punditocracy — which is more of the ruling class than an eye on the ruling class — has naturally decided that this is because Republicans are not enough like Democrats: They need to play more identity politics (in particular, adopt the Left’s embrace of illegal immigration) in order to be viable. But the story is not about who voted; it is about who didn’t vote. In truth, millions of Americans have decided that Republicans are not a viable alternative because they are already too much like Democrats. They are Washington. With no hope that a Romney administration or more Republicans in Congress would change this sad state of affairs, these voters shrugged their shoulders and became non-voters.

“This is the most important election of our lifetime.” That was the ubiquitous rally cry of Republican leaders. The country yawned. About 11 million fewer Americans voted for the two major-party candidates in 2012 — 119 million, down from 130 million in 2008. In fact, even though our population has steadily increased in the last eight years (adding 16 million to the 2004 estimate of 293 million Americans), about 2 million fewer Americans pulled the lever for Obama and Romney than for George W. Bush and John Kerry.

That is staggering.

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To: SpaceBar; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
The “voters stayed home” meme is now being pulled out of the Axelrod/Soros quiver. To steal an election, you do it by a slim margin to make it seem plausible, then follow up with unprovable but again plausible scenarios to silence those who remain unconvinced. Of course the suspect numbers are precisely what’s being used to support the faulty conclusion, but that’s just right wing nonsense. All the talking heads except Savage will run with this next week, mark my words. The polls were jam packed around here, some closed early even with people in line (Rio Rancho, NM). Everyone I know voted.

Great post, SpaceBar.

201 posted on 11/11/2012 11:43:26 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: SpaceBar; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
The “voters stayed home” meme is now being pulled out of the Axelrod/Soros quiver. To steal an election, you do it by a slim margin to make it seem plausible, then follow up with unprovable but again plausible scenarios to silence those who remain unconvinced. Of course the suspect numbers are precisely what’s being used to support the faulty conclusion, but that’s just right wing nonsense. All the talking heads except Savage will run with this next week, mark my words. The polls were jam packed around here, some closed early even with people in line (Rio Rancho, NM). Everyone I know voted.

Great post, SpaceBar.

202 posted on 11/11/2012 11:44:24 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Andrei Bulba
Elsie I don’t have a zot button, I expressed my opinion just as you do, usually in some mile long post that no one reads.

Here's a short one:

"The Lord knows all human plans--he knows that they are futile."

Psalm 94:11


203 posted on 11/12/2012 3:40:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
Elsie, you twisted my sentence around in a feeble attempt to argue against the overwhelming logic in my post. It didn’t work.

Sorry, the only thing different about MY sentence compared to yours are the Subjects.

The LOGIC is EXACTLY the same.

As for whether it 'worked' or not is left to the other readers of them both.


You’re as bad as a Democrat in your ability to use logic and reason.

I still like your logic; though!


It just saddens me that there are people who just don’t understand the “lesser of two evils rule.”

It appears that you are just a bit more than 'saddened' by the FACT that I REFUSE to vote for the 'lesser' evil.

I am shocked that so many American's will vote for EVIL at all!


And then to turn around and berate those who hold some values a bit higher than their own; is AMAZING!!

204 posted on 11/12/2012 3:49:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mo
....what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

Do we Republicans even HAVE any of these?

205 posted on 11/12/2012 3:52:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kozak
Adults recognize politics is about the possible, spoiled children throw tantrums at the polls.


"Bet you spend all your time spanking the monkey.", said the adult in the room.

206 posted on 11/12/2012 3:53:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: patriot08
Here is a petition you can sign at Change.org to request a full recount. I suggest we just focus on the swing states, but it is true that many Congressional and Senate races are also affected, from Allen West to, I believe, Mia Love. Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney. Not likely!

My name is Mia Love; and I'm a MORMON (loser)



 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Love
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/09/26/mia_love_the_inevitability_of_the_black_female_mormon_republican_congresswoman.html
 
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/mia-love-gops-african-american-mormon-candidate-rocks-rnc/
 
http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=654483
 
http://graceforgrace.com/2012/11/08/who-will-be-the-next-mormon-elder-to-climb-on-the-white-horse/
 


Faith is also important to Mia Love. She was influenced by her sister to join the LDS Church, because she found her sister was at peace with it. Love was particularly impressed by the Church's doctrine about eternal families and how everything that the Church teaches is to protect and nurture those relationships. Like many other LDS members, she cut an "I'm A Mormon" video:    ooops.... 
 
 from   http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2012/04/mia-love-stuns-utah-by-winning-4th.html




207 posted on 11/12/2012 4:15:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Andrei Bulba
Elsie I don’t have a zot button, I expressed my opinion just as you do, usually in some mile long post that no one reads.

Yup; you sure did; and I hope EVERYONE gets to read it:

Yeah Elsie, I’ll be lectured by a wacky little religious bigot.

208 posted on 11/12/2012 4:18:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nutmeg
Try looking at the precinct level stats. I am. A couple of precincts look funny, but mor in terms of D over vote, NOT R UNDEPERFORMANCE.

I'll let you know if I see different.

But there were some early indicators of R underperformance that we saw and thought would be overcome on Election Day: remember the absentee spreadsheets? While D absentees were down so were Rs (not as much, but they were down). On Election Day, Bill Cunningham saw late in the day---BEFORE THE VOTES WERE EVEN TRANSMITTED---that R zones were running low despite the "lines."

Finally, in Montgomery Co. OH, and we are checking on others, the "turnout" was caused by consolidation of 500+ voting stations into 340, drastically slowing down the process and causing lines. It was inefficiency, not turnout , that caused the lines.

As I say, we are examining the strange looking precincts.

209 posted on 11/12/2012 4:28:25 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

About the only republican on the scene today that could win with the dumwits is Dennis Miller. He is hip, cool, quick on his feet, articulate, is great with the late night crowd, kinda looks Hispanic and can jive talk. But can he govern? Who really cares?

As your tagline suggests - it takes one American Idol to beat another.

As for open primaries, the republicans love the idea as it tends to moderate the field. Our primary problem this year was that we had too many conservative candidates to choose from, and we kept whittling them down till only Romney was left.

I am sad for Romney that he lost. He may not be a conservative, but he is a good person with sterling character. I would rather have a man like that as president than a shallow conservative who just mouths the cliches.

To me, that is our biggest problem as a country; we don’t value honesty, decency, and goodness. We are sliding to Gomorrah.


210 posted on 11/12/2012 5:28:51 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A CA Guy; Impy; TigersEye

We need to win senate seats this next off-year election and build a more conservative House that gets rid of Whore House Bone-head. We need to put ‘lame duck’ status on O as soon as possible.

[OK — that’s my 2 cents for now. I’ll stay away for a while as promised. FRegards ....]


211 posted on 11/12/2012 5:44:25 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: pabianice

The bottom line is that the GOP wants the conservative VOTE without offering conservatives ANYTHING. No wonder people stayed home.

Now the estabishment RINO GOP get’s exactly what they’ve always wanted—the chance to “cross the isle”. I’m sure John Boehner will sink to the occasion...


212 posted on 11/12/2012 7:26:00 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: dfwgator

“2. No more than three candidates, to be chosen by a committee.”

“Search all the parks in all your cities,
You’ll find no statues of committees.”
— Gilbert K. Chesterton

More backroom GOP-e decision-making? No thanks.


213 posted on 11/12/2012 7:33:36 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer
More backroom GOP-e decision-making? No thanks.

Well, the current process sure isn't working.

214 posted on 11/12/2012 7:49:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Elsie

I didn’t vote for the lesser of two evils. The blame lies squarely on the backs of Rove, Coulter, Drudge and the rest of those CINO hacks! They are OBSESSED with GOP power, not with turning this country around.

PREDICTION: (pretty safe prediction at that...)
Next election cycle they GOP candidates will tell the conservative base what they want to hear. Then the entire agenda will move leftward during the general election. The disgruntled conservative base will again buy what the GOP-e is selling for the sake of ousting the democrat candidate. The pathetic GOP RINO candidate will again lose and finger-pointing will once again ensue.

God’s in control. Those of us who know that simple fact are able to vote for our principals. We also believe that ALL authority is given to man BY GOD HIMSELF.


215 posted on 11/12/2012 7:51:13 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: dfwgator

“Well, the current process sure isn’t working.”

I liked your other points. Would certainly improve the process. Just not sure about this one.


216 posted on 11/12/2012 7:54:38 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer

Suppose it depends on who is in the committee.


217 posted on 11/12/2012 8:10:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; All
"A huge slice of the electorate voted twice. A huge slice of the electorate didn't exist on 11/6/2012 (dead). A huge slice of the electorate was duplicate absentee ballots. A huge slice of the electorate were Republicans who had their votes expunged.

"The media keeps trumpeting this "Republicans stayed home." Again. BS. The 'Rats stole this one with a 4 year coordinated, surgical strike on the voting process."

Right on, B Sam.

In 2000 with a similar close vote, Gore and the dems did all they could to try to steal the elections.

FR was in Florida (and many other places) "breaking" in to the vote couters bunkers (Called an angry mob, I have the t-shirt) and caught them with the infamous "hanging chad"--changing votes for Gore-- fiasco and also caught them putting Bush votes in the Gore pile.

The timid scardy cat GOP should have INSTANTLY called the leftists on the nation wide voter fraud (Soros, ACORN [alive and well in every major city under new names]) but they don't seem to care.

After all, they let dems vote in their primaries so that the dems and media choose their candidates with a little help from the Turd Blossom (Rove if you don't remember his nickname) and the GOP-e.

It's a disgrace.

218 posted on 11/12/2012 9:22:37 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: All

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Sign the petition for a recount:
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

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Visit this site.
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

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SATURDAY UPDATES (Thurs and Fri fraud at site)

Military service members purged from voter rolls in Florida...
http://redflagnews.com/military-service-members-purged-from-voter-rolls-in-florida

Pundit Press: In Florida: Obama Got Over 99% in Broward County Precincts
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html?spref=fb

TRR: Allen West Seeks Recount Amid Growing Vote Count Scandal
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/

[This is the same St. Lucie that has 141.1% voter turnout affecting both Romney and West...]

St. Lucie County - 84 juridictions, 83 of them had 121-166% turn out
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

Nevada Unions Are Regestering Illegals and Forcing Them to Vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGd50sZG4g&feature=share

The video suggests that this method was the only way Harry Reid was able to defeat challenger Sharon Angle in 2010 to retain his Senate seat and continues to be used.

via Jewel on Facebook: “Could you please help us? There is a petition for a recount and it takes 28,000 signatures. We are all promoting it and would love to have you on our side. The link to sign the petition is:”
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpetitions.whitehouse.gov%2Fpetition%2Frecount-election%2FZQmy0Mlv%23thank-you%3Dp&h=4AQEgo5BK

Another petition, this one to Congress:
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

You can also request that Reince Preibus of the GOP start a swing state recount based on information available at this website and as part of ORCA (Thanks Shirley!):
http://www.gop.com/contact-us/

I’ve added links to all three petitions to the sidebar at the top of this page and expect to add more.

Voter Fraud by the numbers? Absolutely
http://www.altadenagroup.com/CSIA/post_details.asp?p_ID=10774

Thank you to everyone who is sharing this page! As of Saturday morning, we are getting about 3,000 visitors an hour. You are making a difference!

SUNDAY UPDATES

This one is MUST SEE:

“Obama won 100% of the 900,135 votes cast in Cuyahoga County OH! No votes from new registered voters or indies went to Mitt. Voting officials SHOULD BE ARRESTED BY OUR MILITARY FOR SEDITION & PERPETRATING A FRAUD AGAINST ALL OF AMERICA. A CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT WILL BE FILED against the networks for not telling the truth! view pic.”
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3474982207064&set=a.1633846179814.70439.1646473511&type=1&theater

Summary Photo
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534531_3474982207064_881171232_n.jpg

Throw out this all-fraud county and Mitt wins Ohio, no question!

Why? A total of 5,364,324 “people” voted in Ohio. Obama got 2,691,861 votes, while Romney got 2,584,620, a difference of 107,241 votes.

How did Cuyahoga County’s 900,135 votes affect the final result? You do the math.

For Ohio to certify this result would be a crime in and of itself.

Thank you to the Examiner for mentioning us!

Citing voter fraud, petition at White House web site demands recount of election
http://www.examiner.com/article/citing-voter-fraud-petition-at-white-house-web-site-demands-recount-of-election

Thanks also to The Competent Conservative for quoting us in entirety!

Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount?
http://thecompetentconservative.com/is-there-enough-evidence-of-voter-fraud-to-merit-a-recount/

Much more to come! As one of our commenters below said, voter fraud is like cockroaches. You find one and they are likely everywhere. Cuyahoga County, Ohio is obviously not alone!

Here is a petition you can sign at Change.org to request a full recount. I suggest we just focus on the swing states, but it is true that many Congressional and Senate races are also affected, from Allen West to, I believe, Mia Love. Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney. Not likely!

http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-federal-election-commission-we-demand-a-full-recount-of-the-2012-presidential-election

Military votes not counted?
http://nera.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=191%3Amilitary-ballots-not-counted&catid=81%3Ablog1&Itemid=148

The Columbus Dispatch reports, “Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html

An update on St. Lucie County, Florida:
http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/update-massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-called-into-question-141-turnout/

Video: More fraud from Florida, including kicking out an elderly poll observer doing his job using the police:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/elections-supervisor-calls-police-to-kick-elderly-allen-west-ballot-observer-out/

Townhall blogger Rachel Alexander reports:

Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

The Washington Times: Florida Vote Twist: More Ballots Than Voters
http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/10/florida-vote-twist-more-ballots-voters/

Here is a link to Allen West’s press release on the voter fraud situation in Florida:
http://bit.ly/TCYnUe

Newsmax reports: Voter Fraud Charges Begin in Ohio

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ohio-voter-registration-fraud/2012/11/03/id/462674

Darin Southam recommends TrueTheVote.org for some pre-election indications of potential voter fraud, but the page understates what actually happened in pretty much every swing state.
http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

And what do you think of this? This was way before the election, but apparently George Soros, who we have already established rigged an election in Hungary and was banned for it AND helped get Obama elected the first time... I’ll let you read the headline:

“Soros advises Obama to use forceful measures to override the will of the people”
http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=12336

I think this goes well beyond the 900+ executive orders that go around Congress, more than three times the executive orders given by all previous US Presidents combined. We saw it in action Tuesday, November 6th!

A Tea Party group has posted this article, with interesting stats and some criticism for Romney for not standing up and doing something about it yet:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/m/discussion?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A1108645

Personally I think as the case is strong enough, Mitt will do something. Too much is at stake, and as we just found out, Ohio is definitely Mitt’s, and Florida, too, just based on fraud in a few counties! Colorado, too!

Keep up the referrals and the sharing, everyone! Thank you SO much for helping America fix an election that has clearly been “fixed.”

Voter fraud cheapens the votes of the 60 million who picked Mitt to the point of nothingness and gives weight to those who in reality were the minority. If grand theft is defined as any theft over $5,000, what do you call the ONE BILLION times that that is likely to happen AGAIN over the next four years if we do not right this wrong?

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219 posted on 11/12/2012 10:11:54 AM PST by patriot08
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To: bgill

2012 = 14 million

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Curious as to where you are finding that turnout number of 14 million? The turnout for the 2012 Nov. General was only 7,964,668.

Total registered voters were 13,646,226 ....

source: https://team1.sos.state.tx.us/enr/results/nov06_164_state.htm

The following gives the historical numbers:

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtml


220 posted on 11/12/2012 10:16:32 AM PST by deport
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To: Elsie

Yup, because someone with your childish view of politics, must have the mentality of a 12 year old. Gee, we didn’t get a dream conservative to vote for. We haven’t had one since Reagan. Even Reagan wasn’t pure enough for some. Think things would have been better with presidents Dukakis, and Gore? Did that protest vote for Perot work out well? All those REAL conservatives who sat it out in 08 , really showed them. Now a large group of idiots helped Obame to destroy our country for another 4 years by sitting on their asses. So sit home whine bitch and moan its all you are good at. Meanwhile the adults will have to try and salvage as much of this disaster as they can.


221 posted on 11/12/2012 10:17:17 AM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: A'elian' nation
To me, that is our biggest problem as a country; we don’t value honesty, decency, and goodness.

Are those anything like SIN?

I've heard a little bit about that; somewhere, sometime, I think...

222 posted on 11/12/2012 10:20:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kozak
Yup, because someone with your childish view of politics, must have the mentality of a 12 year old.

You know; if you are going be this upset, every time YOUR chosen person fails to get electged; you should probably not vote.

223 posted on 11/12/2012 10:22:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: patriot08

“Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney.” ‘Someone’ is very afraid of a black conservative patriotic woman growing in popularity while building a resume of competency. Guess who that might be? ... It’s the same gaggle of vermin who gave the world the KKK, THE DEMOCRAP PARTY!


224 posted on 11/12/2012 10:23:49 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: deport

I misread the SOS.


225 posted on 11/12/2012 10:25:00 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: pabianice






SARAH PALIN speaks out of massive Obama machine voter fraud:

Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 …DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud

Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.

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226 posted on 11/12/2012 11:43:56 AM PST by patriot08
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To: Elsie

But then I would be an idiot, just like you.


227 posted on 11/12/2012 1:13:11 PM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: null and void

Joseph Stalin:
Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything ...


228 posted on 11/12/2012 1:14:18 PM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: GOPJ; F15Eagle
No. The FIRST part, the part everyone neglects, the part Stalin himself identified as the sufficient part:

Joseph Stalin:

"It is enough that the people believe there was an election.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything."

229 posted on 11/12/2012 1:29:04 PM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: Kozak
But then I would be an idiot, just like you.

Just wait; as this anger and disappointment will pass.

Trust me...

230 posted on 11/12/2012 3:16:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And you and your ilk will still be idiots, waiting to screw us all the next time you don’t get your perfect mystery date to vote for. So sit back smile and enjoy what you have coming for the next 4 years, you earned every second of it.


231 posted on 11/12/2012 3:32:34 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: pabianice

I am sure they were. America has turned a corner and gone liberal left to enough of a degree.

When it all comes crashing down, the liberals will be asking “What happened?” ... And they will still refuse to believe what the cause was.


232 posted on 11/12/2012 3:59:15 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kozak
And you and your ilk will still be idiots,

Sigh...

'Idiots' that told you ALL months ago that ROMNEY was damaged goods.

Who's the fool now!

233 posted on 11/12/2012 5:54:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: F15Eagle
And they will still refuse to believe what the cause was.

Simple:

1. Bush
2. Rush
3. Elsie & ilk...

234 posted on 11/12/2012 5:55:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

-—”It appears that you are just a bit more than ‘saddened’ by the FACT that I REFUSE to vote for the ‘lesser’ evil.
I am shocked that so many American’s will vote for EVIL at all! And then to turn around and berate those who hold some values a bit higher than their own; is AMAZING!!”
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Nice try, I was using a figure of speech Of course I don’t think Romney is “Evil” nor should you. Obama IS EVIL. With Romney, there was at least the possibility that he would come thru on his free-market approach way more than Obama every would.

That’s the sad part. Obama will be 100X worse than Romney would have ever been. Romney was talking the talk of a true fiscal conservative.

Romney also had a healthy understanding of separating his religious views from his governing as stated in one of his speeches on the subject that was similar to JFK’s famous speech about Catholicism.

Anyhow, I see I’m wasting my precious time trying to change anti-Mormon bigotry.

No I’m not Mormon and I think the religion is rather odd, but I wasn’t voting for his religion.


235 posted on 11/13/2012 12:31:21 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: driftdiver

I like u but that was not cogent

And yes we voted

Everyone I know voted down here and for the white guy


236 posted on 11/13/2012 12:42:46 AM PST by wardaddy (i want Santa to make Quentin Tarantino into a negro for Christmas)
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To: Ken H

Nice work ken but the stupids here must have their fun


237 posted on 11/13/2012 12:47:14 AM PST by wardaddy (i want Santa to make Quentin Tarantino into a negro for Christmas)
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To: Elsie
We don't like Bronco Bama, either...



238 posted on 11/13/2012 3:14:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
Of course I don’t think Romney is “Evil” nor should you.

Strange.

I have no EXACT figures, but it seems to me that over 99% of FR posters have called the CHOICE we were presented in this election "the lesser of two evils".

Excuse me for merely going along with the 'wisdom of the crowd'.

239 posted on 11/13/2012 3:17:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
Romney was talking the talk of a true fiscal conservative.

Too bad he didn't walk the walk of an electable conservative in other areas. His record was kinda pathetic; don't you agree?

240 posted on 11/13/2012 3:19:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
Romney also had a healthy understanding of separating his religious views from his governing ...

Kinda like Tom Cruise does his from his acting: wouldn't you agree?

241 posted on 11/13/2012 3:20:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
Anyhow, I see I’m wasting my precious time trying to change anti-Mormon bigotry.

No; you are wasting your time going allow with the MORMONs posting on FR who constantly TRY do deflect abhorance the facts of their chosen religion, onto the individuals who are deceived by it.

242 posted on 11/13/2012 3:22:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
No I’m not Mormon and I think the religion is rather odd, but I wasn’t voting for his religion.

Too bad you and countless other did not heed 'the wisdom of the CHRISTIANs' when you where told LONG ago that in would be harder for a MORMON to be elected in a Christian founded country than that old camel and needle story.

243 posted on 11/13/2012 3:25:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

...going ALONG...


244 posted on 11/13/2012 3:27:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: driftdiver
...I’m sure the guys in the landing craft on D-Day wanted a better boat.

Ya go to war with the weapons ya got.

If the prove to be inadequate to win; you'd better get better weapons next time.


"Es un pobre obrero que culpa a sus herramientas."

245 posted on 11/13/2012 3:35:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

bttt


246 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pabianice
I thought the "missing Republican voters" conundrum had already been solved?

Some analyst (I forget who) figured out that GOP voters in some large states -- CA and upstate NY, for example-- were not aggressively pursued by the Romney campaign, due to its focus on electoral vote-rich swing states like Ohio and Florida.

In other words, the popular vote total was viewed as less critical than the electoral vote total. Which is undeniably true.

Was this a smart strategy? I have to say that even though Romney lost, I don't see a flaw in the reasoning here.

Why? Because the GOP is never going to get the electoral votes of CA and NY, unless those states were to change their election laws and begin to award electoral votes proportionally. Which is not going to happen.

247 posted on 11/13/2012 9:11:05 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Elsie

One more time slowly and distinctly in the hope it will penetrate .
I was no fan of Romney during the nomination process.
Once he was te nominee, AND HENCE THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE to 4 more years of a Obama, it was the duty of everyone who opposed the POS to vote for Romney. The fools like you ignored the wisdom of Reagan, and W F Buckley. Until people like you learn to grow up and vote like adults we will see nothing but more Obamas and Pelosis in power.
Enjoy the next 4 years, don’t bitch, you earned what’s coming.


248 posted on 11/13/2012 9:22:46 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

Such scolding!

What MORE do you want? I voted straight Republican but for one guy.

You’ll accept a non-perfect candidate, but not a non-perfect voter.

Oh well; see you in four years.

Perhaps the powers that be will run a better candidate for president.

I didn’t want the last one.

Sorry that displeases you so much.


249 posted on 11/13/2012 10:10:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy
I think those on the right knew darn well the stakes this time, so we had some messed up in the head not voting this time IMO.

It's not that simple. Who stayed home? Who didn't vote for the top of the ticket or senator too?

The Party’s Problem

Romney was not a drag on the Republican party. The Republican party was a drag on him. Aaron Blake pointed out in the Washington Post that Romney ran ahead of most of the Republican Senate candidates: He did better than Connie Mack in Florida, George Allen in Virginia, Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin, Denny Rehberg in Montana, Jeff Flake in Arizona, Pete Hoekstra in Michigan, Deb Fischer in Nebraska, Rick Berg in North Dakota, Josh Mandel in Ohio, and of course Todd Akin in Missouri and Richard Mourdock in Indiana. In some cases Romney did a lot better. (He also did slightly better than Ted Cruz in Texas, a race Blake for some reason ignored.)

None of those candidates were as rich as Romney, and almost all of them had more consistently conservative records than he did. It didn’t help them win more votes. The only Republican Senate candidates who ran significantly ahead of Romney were people running well to his left in blue states, and they lost too.

This isn't bad as an analysis of the GOP, but I'm still waiting for a better analysis of the results.

250 posted on 11/17/2012 4:44:36 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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