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To: Kaslin; OneWingedShark; Jim Robinson

“Still, there will be condemnation for America. Things will get far worse before they get better – if they ever get better. As individuals, we will each stand before God and give an accounting – we will all face judgment. As a nation, we can only be judged in the temporal – in the here and now.”

Kaslin, I was attempting to explain this very thing yesterday to a Libertarian (OneWingedShark) that was attempting to use the Lord Jesus Christ as an excuse to allow all kinds of degeneration around him. More or less saying that the “liberty” that faith in Christ produces is an excuse to allow open sin around us as a nation. I hope he takes the time to read the article...it is very wise and true. BTW - I used to read John MacArthur’s books for years.....kind of sorry I lost touch with his ministry.

It saddens me that more haven’t read this article you posted.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 7:02:32 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas; Kaslin; OneWingedShark; Jim Robinson
Kaslin, I was attempting to explain this very thing yesterday to a Libertarian (OneWingedShark) that was attempting to use the Lord Jesus Christ as an excuse to allow all kinds of degeneration around him. More or less saying that the “liberty” that faith in Christ produces is an excuse to allow open sin around us as a nation.

I did not say that. I said that going the legislative route is the wrong way: that we need to change hearts and minds (which isn't really us, but is the Holy Spirit's job).
Or, put another way: you're pursuing the effects rather than the cause -- doing so will only result in both being lost.

I hope he takes the time to read the article...it is very wise and true. BTW - I used to read John MacArthur’s books for years.....kind of sorry I lost touch with his ministry.

I'll read it.

32 posted on 11/12/2012 7:12:19 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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