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Kristol: It won't kill us if we raise taxes on millionaires (Shut Up Bill!)
American Thinker ^ | 11/13/2012 | Rick Moran

Posted on 11/12/2012 8:07:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind

This is called surrendering before the war starts: Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.

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"It won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "It really won't, I don't think. I don't really understand why Republicans don't take Obama's offer."

"Really? The Republican Party is going to fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of whom voted Democratic and half of whom live in Hollywood and are hostile?" he asked.

One of the biggest fights as Congress returns will be over taxes, as cuts put in place by former President George W. Bush are set to expire at the end of the year. Republicans want to extend those tax cuts for all income brackets, while Democrats want to raise revenue by allowing them to expire for wealthy Americans.

Exit polls last week found that six in ten voters supported ending the tax cuts on the wealthy, but House Republicans have remained adamantly opposed to allowing any of the rates to expire, instead supporting other changes to the tax code. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) indicated on Friday that was unlikely to change.

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First of all, if Kristol wants to go belly up and grovel before Obama before negotiations even begin, that's his business. Leave the rest of us out of it.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bho44; billkristol; kristol; millionaires; taxandspend; taxes; taxincrease
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To: Tex-Con-Man

RE: in exchange for shutting down the Dept. of Education.

Let me add the two others Rick Perry forgot when he had a brain freeze in the Primary debates — Department of Energy and Department of Commerce.

We did not have those departments until Jimmy Carter came along and went along just fine ( heck, we did even better ).

ELIMINATING THOSE would be a good start.


51 posted on 11/12/2012 9:12:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
This is where "our leaders" are so stupid quite frankly...

The debate should be between The Fair Tax and a Flat Tax and or going back to the Reagan reforms in 86-88 time-frame.

Better yet why are not emulating the Czech Republic's code?

We are so over Kristol, Noonan etc....

52 posted on 11/12/2012 9:12:55 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SeekAndFind

There is one way to tax the rich in an intelligent manner.

That is not to tax them on how much they earn, but *how* they earn it. Here’s the logic.

Beyond a given amount of money, typical investments become much harder to make, while still getting a reasonable rate of return. Eventually, investments are oriented both towards yield *and* hedging against unpredictable losses.

Finally, on the high end, investments become more and more like a rigged gambling game, where “heads I win, and tails, somebody else loses.” These often do not help the economy and can even be destructive to it.

So intelligent taxation should be designed less to raise revenue, than to steer investors towards more beneficial investments and away from gambling. This is not a particular hardship to them, being easily able to *avoid*, legally, the tax.

But it does help the economy considerably.

Some of the worst problems facing our economy have come from places like the unregulated derivatives markets, where they gamble literally trillions of imaginary dollars that someone else is eventually supposed to cover. Such markets can be devastating to our economy, while contributing nothing to it.

So if someone wants to invest in derivatives, they should get a serious tax slapped on them. This will make derivatives much less attractive, compared to other investments that actually help our economy - their choice of what they will be.

Directly, the government would likely not get a dime from these new taxes on the wealthy. Indirectly, because of economic improvement, they would get a LOT more revenue.


53 posted on 11/12/2012 9:34:47 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: SeekAndFind

You KNOW all the millionaires in congress will exempt themselves just like they did with Barrycare.


54 posted on 11/12/2012 9:39:13 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Yikes, that would be prohibitive then in NE. For example, we successfully de-annexed from the city where our property in TN is located in 2010. They annexed the area but didn’t provide anything but taking tax money and we fought them and won, it wasn’t easy either. Our taxes thus cut in half since we only now pay county. The people who already have built homes, in the 500-600K range . . . were paying almost 6K or so per year in taxes with both city & county, now they’re paying less than half of that. I’d hate to have to pay 20-25K a year in property taxes alone in the northeast PLUS income tax. Although TN does tax investment income, not earned income.


55 posted on 11/12/2012 9:41:44 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Millionaires” is a term that describes one’s assets.

But we’re not taxing assets, we’re taxing income.

Income is the means by which non-millionaires become millionaires.

So taxing income is the primary way the rich stay rich, and the rest of us stay in our place. No wonder the wealthy support Democrats.

If we really want to “tax the rich”, let’s start going after those who have large assets, then watch funding for Democrats evaporate.

(Note: I don’t think we should to that, just pointing out what “taxing the rich” would really look like)


56 posted on 11/12/2012 9:43:22 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nor will raising rates on the wealthy impede economic growth - such as it is.

Yes it will.

Taxation on the rich hurts the workers because:

Confiscatory taxation on the rich is an assault on savings, investment, and capital accumulation.

Saving, investment, and capital accumulation are institutions of capitalism that are necessary for a modern proper system of division of labor, which is necessary for a modern process of production, which leads to increased creation of wealth, which leads to increased prosperity, economic progress, and higher standard of living for the average worker. These conditions are beneficial to everyone including the poor.

Confiscatory taxation on the rich is an assault on savings and capital accumulation, which ends up hurting everyone in the economic system in the long run and the workers more than the rich. The average worker is harmed because reduced saving leads to decreased investment, which leads to less productive expenditure, which leads to reduced demand for labor, which leads to lower money wage rates for the average worker and higher unemployment.

Reduced savings and investment also leads to lower demand for capital goods relative to consumers’ goods and reduced incentives to improve production, which leads to lower productivity of labor, which leads to lower real wage rates for the average worker.

When production is decreased due to lower savings and investment, there is a reduction in aggregate supply, which leads to higher average prices, which reduces the standard of living of the average worker.

57 posted on 11/12/2012 9:44:25 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Qwackertoo
Although TN does tax investment income, not earned income.

They should eliminate the tax investment income, and double the sales tax and property tax in Shelby and Davidson counties... :-)

58 posted on 11/12/2012 9:48:27 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I currently live about 4 miles from the TN state line, so I buy some of my furniture, flooring and other items to have delivered in AL and pay no sales tax. I think it is 9 or 9.25 across the state line.


59 posted on 11/12/2012 9:51:54 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we’re going to raise taxes on “the rich” then you’d have to raise it on unearned income. Also, let’s do away with all tax loopholes for Hollywood.


60 posted on 11/12/2012 9:56:14 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Qwackertoo
I think it is 9 or 9.25 across the state line.

I believe that is correct.

61 posted on 11/12/2012 9:58:16 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s let the dems do whatever they want - they can ‘ease’ the money until every dollar is almost worthless, they can squeeze every person who owns a business and loot anyone with money. We can’t stop them so why set ourselves up to take the blame?

Our job is to change the way voting is done in this country. The was we vote is as stupid as a store that sets out a bowl for money - and lets people ‘pay’ voluntarily ... Maybe once it was possible but in today’s United States all stores have to have security tags, closed circuit cameras, store police, etc. The real world of lowlifes has to be acknoldged.

We need to stop pretending inner city lowlifes are playing by queensbury rules. They’re not. They cheat on voting and think it’s cool ... Dems play by Chicago Street gang rules - and they win because we’re fools. This isn’t the country we loved. Ten thugs kinking an unarmed person in the groin is not ‘fair’ or ‘cool’ and we need to wake up to who we’re up against.


62 posted on 11/12/2012 10:41:24 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy solution. Bush tax rates in red states and obama tax rates in blue states.


63 posted on 11/12/2012 10:58:14 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: SeekAndFind
The vast majority of very wealthy people supported Obama: I think it's time to give them what they voted for, and give it to them good and hard.

The House should also answer the "fiscal cliff" problem by re-passing the 2007 budget and adding in whatever additional tax revenues are expected from the higher tax rates on the "rich." They could also redo deductions and tax rates to lower the corporate tax to 10% (what it is in parts of Europe).

They should realize that the endgame for the Dems is a VAT tax + punitive income tax rates (just as in Europe) and they should scream about it load enough so it gets past the media barrier.

Actually pass a balanced budget in this manner and see what the Dem response is.

64 posted on 11/12/2012 12:06:11 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: McGavin999
Yep-- no more capital gains or carried interest special rates-- reduce the corp tax rate and make up for it by treating all income the same regardless of origin.

This will hit the Trial Lawyers Assoc. very hard because they structure much of their income as "dividends" or "interest" to pay the lower cap gains rates.

The rich have abandoned any principled leadership role in this country, so screw 'em.

65 posted on 11/12/2012 12:11:25 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Leftists have taken to calling all conservatives “neocons,” but Kristol’s father was one of the original neo-conservatives. They are big-government liberals of the 1950s variety. They are for an interventionist foreign policy, lots of government programs and spending, and have no stomach for social conservatism.

They were strongly anti-Communist, but really only in a Soviet-bloc mindset. I don’t think they ever grasped the undermining of our institutions by communist sympathizers.


66 posted on 11/12/2012 12:17:49 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SeekAndFind

But they’ll be raising taxes on the $250-thousand-aires, too!


67 posted on 11/12/2012 12:25:26 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Viennacon
How is France’s private sector doing under these tax-the-rich policies?

Leaving France?

68 posted on 11/12/2012 12:28:17 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hojczyk
We raise taxes and OBAMA spends it...what FOOLS...

There is lies the rub, DumBO cannot be trusted and will not cut spending, if fact, it will be his excuse to spend more.

It is not that some millionaires can forgo a Ferrari, but, that some small business owners will go out of business. The winner will not be the American people, but, big business that will pick up the slack of providing the service small business provides. And, nothing a bureaucracy likes more than having only a select few to regulate than a host of small entrepreneurs.

69 posted on 11/12/2012 4:28:31 PM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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