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What Were All of You Thinking?
American Thinker ^ | 11/14/12 | Robert Oscar Lopez

Posted on 11/15/2012 4:23:11 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

***SNIP***

[L]et's be honest. We had little reason to believe that Romney was truly dedicated to improving our social and cultural conditions -- indeed, that all-important thing called the human condition -- because he talked endlessly about his business experience. Most Americans don't like their bosses and have trouble with landlords and creditors. Talking about one's business experience is not usually a good way to win them over.

On election day, it became clear to me that the Republican Party had been led into Purgatory by the Laodicean wing. In case you aren't familiar with Revelation 3:14-17, here is what God says in that text:

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked[.]

Here's the simple version: stand for something important, damn it. Articulate human values. Be about something more than numbers. Be hot. Be cold. Be a flavor. Don't be Mitt Romney: lukewarm, milquetoast, centrist. The Laodiceans were warned -- God will spew thee out of His mouth. So it came to pass.

***SNIP***

As an Evangelical values voter, I felt like I was the dirty family secret asked to come into the "big tent" through the side flap. In the end, I voted for Romney, but many people like me [...] decided to stay home and spend the day praying to God for strength. At least God, unlike the Republicans, will never forget us or be ashamed of us.

***SNIP***

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; election2012; evangelicals; romney; romney2012; socialconservatives; valuesvoters
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To: exit82

Are you advocating for not paying taxes?


51 posted on 11/15/2012 5:41:35 AM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: exit82
If you stayed home for this election

Nope. Care to try again...?

There's nothing duller than spittled, wildly-misdirected outrage, frankly.

52 posted on 11/15/2012 5:43:06 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: MrEdd; Jim Robinson
I voted for Virgil Goode.

you will get what you deserve from this administration - anyone that voted for the punk or Goode has become a direct threat to my childrens future.

I was in ministry for a number of years..since retired from it, and I always used to laugh at the folks who would see black and white principle when the Bible is full of instances where God used someone (in this election a mormon)despite their shortcomings

If it were my forum, you'd be gone.

Instead - sit contentedly as your principles drive up fuel costs, waste more lives abroad and destroy this once great Nation..........hopefully, you are spared the agony of explaining to your children that they will not have the same opportunities due to the financial binds of government slavery

53 posted on 11/15/2012 5:43:49 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Truth2012
Still, I don’t think people really understand what is coming at them, as a result of letting Obama win.

You couldn't be more correct. Even so called conservative and right leaning moderates have no clue how bad it is going to be.

This is already happening and when the clueless complain I tell them what the voted or stayed home for. Since it is now open enrollment time at many employers the clueless are getting a taste of what is to come. I specifically told a few obamites that you are now subject to the Special Needs Children Tax via the marxist health care law limit of $2500 on their Flexible Spending account. One clueless serf actually said "I didn't think they passed that?!". I wasn't sure if he was talking about FSA or Obamacare in general.

We also have so much less choice regarding health care plans with higher premiums now-What a coinsidence!

54 posted on 11/15/2012 5:44:36 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: ResponseAbility
Are you advocating for not paying taxes?

Comprehend much of what you read? The point has nothing to do with paying taxes, but what your vote guaranteed those taxes will pay for.

55 posted on 11/15/2012 5:45:50 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82; MrEdd
Your vote was a vote to refuse to remove clear evil. And guaranteed government funding for the killing of another 4.5 million babies over Zippy’s second term by helping to re-elect him.

That’s right, you will actually be paying for these murders through your taxes.

EXACTLY - HIS PRINCIPLED POSITION COST MORE LIVES - PRAY ABOUT THAT

SO WHO'S THE TOOL OF SATAN?

56 posted on 11/15/2012 5:47:09 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
There's nothing duller than spittled, wildly-misdirected outrage, frankly.

You really shouldn't disparage the majority of your posts that way.

57 posted on 11/15/2012 5:47:09 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
There's nothing duller than spittled, wildly-misdirected outrage, frankly.

You really shouldn't disparage the majority of your posts that way.

*yawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn*

Next customer, please...?

58 posted on 11/15/2012 5:49:21 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: exit82

“That’s right, you will actually be paying for these murders through your taxes.”

Let’s not forget the “death panels”.

To be consistently pro-life, we should value the sanctity of life at all stages. The sick and elderly have the same right to life as the unborn.

The increased mortality rate under “Obamacare” won’t be confined to the unborn.

Life-threatening delays in care and denial of care will affect everybody, regardless of age.


59 posted on 11/15/2012 5:50:56 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: MrEdd

You voted in Texas. An easy state for Romney.

Thus, I have no problem with your third party vote.

But I don’t think you are in a position to criticize those who had to vote in the swing states. When they stand before God, they can rightfuly explain that Goode had NO CHANCE of winning (if he was even on the ballot), meaning their choice was between the guy who was such an extremist that he voted to have babies killed that survived abortions, or the guy who has flip-flopped on the issue.


60 posted on 11/15/2012 5:51:16 AM PST by kidd
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To: exit82

So do you advocate for not paying taxes?


61 posted on 11/15/2012 5:51:38 AM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: kidd

Goode was on the ballot in Virginia.


62 posted on 11/15/2012 5:57:06 AM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
FRiends, one needs to read about the verse...”as for me and my House ...we will serve the Lord.” The lesson of that entire chapter is crucial.

If one believes our early settlers were led out of Europe, out from under an evil king, and a new country was founded through devine providence...and for those moral and Godly choices America was greatly rewarded, one must consider the same question asked in Joshua 24 by the Jews and answered holds the same Godly consequences.

Christians everywhere were encouraged to pray on their vote this election. But, there was an impediment to their spiritual vision...social justice within their churches. I believe many Christians, social justice Christians, voted for 0bama because their spiritual vision is clouded. 0bama came with the gifts to the poor, gifts to the struggling and a government grown on the idea of charity through redistribution.

63 posted on 11/15/2012 6:02:26 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: BlatherNaut

We have consigned our fellow citizens, especially the elderly and the unborn,to a guaranteed execution.

So all who threw their vote away, or stayed away, can feel real smug about their choice.

We could have had such a different future.


64 posted on 11/15/2012 6:04:34 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ResponseAbility
So do you advocate for not paying taxes?

Duly noted as the second time you failed to comprehend the point made. Feel free to go for three.

65 posted on 11/15/2012 6:05:57 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

You and I both voted for Romney. You said that tax dollars will be used to pay for killing the unborn and the born. Will you still pay taxes?


66 posted on 11/15/2012 6:09:12 AM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: gusopol3

Obama’s a lawyer. Maybe we should have hung that around his neck at every opportunity.
____________________________________________

So is Willard....

Now theres the neck that needs things hung around...


67 posted on 11/15/2012 6:10:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

looking at today’s headlines, I think Romney’s message was missing ONLY the fearful path to war in the Middle East.


68 posted on 11/15/2012 6:12:22 AM PST by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: MrEdd

So instead of Romney, who would defund Planned Parenthood, we have Obama who will not. Thanks for nothing.


69 posted on 11/15/2012 6:15:01 AM PST by jps098
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To: ResponseAbility
Will you still pay taxes?

What did Jesus tell Peter about the subject?

The point is, if more Republicans voted instead of sitting on their laurels, Obamacare could have been defunded and repealed. Lives would have been saved, and involuntary funding through taxes for on-demand abortions could have been overturned.

Now, will you continue to pay taxes?

70 posted on 11/15/2012 6:15:25 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

****Now, will you continue to pay taxes?****

I asked you first. Will you still pay taxes?


71 posted on 11/15/2012 6:22:19 AM PST by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: ResponseAbility

No longer have work, thanks to the Obama miracle economy.

So, what do you think the answer to the question is?


72 posted on 11/15/2012 6:26:53 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Catsrus
Lest you forget - Romney also has a law degree from Harvard Law School. He never practiced, but did pass the bar.

For the record, I don't think of Romney as a lawyer either. He at least has demonstrated his capabilities as a businessman. And unlike 0bama he is a success.

73 posted on 11/15/2012 6:28:54 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: exit82

“We have consigned our fellow citizens, especially the elderly and the unborn,to a guaranteed execution.”

You’re absolutely right.

And those who didn’t vote to eradicate the scourge may well find out the hard way, because young or old, anyone can get sick and be denied care, or have care delayed for so long that it might be too late to treat the problem.

The military medical system is a microcosm (and the cadillac version) of what is to come. Imagine the fear and horror when your pediatrician tells you that your toddler might have lymphoma and then being told by the military healthcare system that the waiting time to see a specialist for initial testing will be a minimum of several months. True story and it happened to me. At least I was able to find a private specialist for my child and pay out of pocket. Obamacare will make that option difficult, if not impossible to exercise.

Our last chance to repeal Obamacare was cavalierly tossed away by blind and foolish people.


74 posted on 11/15/2012 6:39:49 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Good post, and I am sorry to hear about your experience with your toddler. I hope your child is doing better now.

That experience is about to be multiplied exponentially across the country in the coming years.


75 posted on 11/15/2012 6:48:16 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“OMG people voted their conscience as the founders intended, those bastards!”


76 posted on 11/15/2012 7:00:36 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Talking about one's business experience is not usually a good way to win them over.

...despite what the ABO crowd around here claimed repeatedly.

Where are they at now?

77 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:35 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Manic_Episode
Nothing cowardly about standing your ground while all those around you abandon their principles.

That's exactly right!

78 posted on 11/15/2012 7:08:16 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ejonesie22
“OMG people voted their conscience as the founders intended, those bastards!”

"Don't they realize the Republican party owns their stinking votes, outright and in perpetuity, regardless of who (or what) the party elects to run? Damn their wretched socon hides -- !!!" ;)

79 posted on 11/15/2012 7:08:57 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
“OMG people voted their conscience as the founders intended, those bastards!”
80 posted on 11/15/2012 7:12:46 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Where are they at now?

High-fiving one another over the latest superheated bit of nonsense over at "unskewedpolls.com"...? Sitting down in gleeful anticipation of yet another chirpy "Lunch Break!" with Dick Morris? Staring at Karl Rove's Magic Whiteboard, in rapt awe and worship?

Who knows? Who cares? ;)

81 posted on 11/15/2012 7:12:59 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Wow! Thank you so much for posting this article! It is spot on and is a must read for all!


82 posted on 11/15/2012 7:35:36 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk
[::tips hat, respectfully::] ;)
83 posted on 11/15/2012 7:36:37 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: MrEdd

Admit it, you’re a one-issue person. The fact that the very future of this republic was on the table meant nothing to you because, by gosh, you were going to vote on the abortion issue and that alone.


84 posted on 11/15/2012 8:58:52 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: MrEdd

Well, so much for the Talking Horse Electorate.

I wonder who Wilbur Voted for?


85 posted on 11/15/2012 9:04:05 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Win or lose, Impeach Obama Ben Ghazi...)
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To: OldPossum
Admit it, you’re a one-issue person. The fact that the very future of this republic was on the table meant nothing to you because, by gosh, you were going to vote on the abortion issue and that alone.

The "very future of the Republic" is always "on the table" during every election.

There are people who believe that abortion is the defining moral issue of our time. You may think that sounds crazy, but is it more or less crazy than your suggestion that this country can't survive without a President Romney?

The 2012 election is over. As to the two most successful presidential candidates, one liberal won and one liberal lost. Maybe it's time that we forget the 2012 election and prepare a bit better for the next one.

86 posted on 11/15/2012 9:10:58 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

I don’t think we can forget the 2012 election.

It’s a big assumption to think there will be another one. And if there is, do you think there’s a good chance that the electorate will be any more informed than those who voted this last round? Do you think we can improve upon these voters? Won’t there just be an increase in their numbers in 2016?

If you think things will be better in 2016, you’re much more optimistic than I.

P.S. You really, really think there was no difference between Obama and Romney?


87 posted on 11/15/2012 12:02:11 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: yldstrk; MrEdd
A “vote” for Virgil Goode was a vote for communism.

That is such an asinine statement. We don't live in a democracy. Get that through your heads. Try to figure out what it actually means to live in a republic, then try to apply that to an individual vote.

88 posted on 11/15/2012 12:09:38 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: xzins

amen


89 posted on 11/15/2012 12:26:33 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: MrEdd

You have profoundly rationalized a profound rationalization

Your delusion is total


90 posted on 11/15/2012 12:28:49 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: gusopol3
So? Obama's a lawyer. Maybe we should have hung that around his neck at every opportunity.

Mitt Romney is also a lawyer, he passed the bar and then got his license to practice in Michigan.

91 posted on 11/15/2012 1:02:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: OldPossum
I don’t think we can forget the 2012 election.

It’s a big assumption to think there will be another one. And if there is, do you think there’s a good chance that the electorate will be any more informed than those who voted this last round? Do you think we can improve upon these voters? Won’t there just be an increase in their numbers in 2016?

If you think things will be better in 2016, you’re much more optimistic than I.

P.S. You really, really think there was no difference between Obama and Romney?

Well, you're right. We shouldn't forget about the 2012 election. We should, however accept its outcome and try to learn from it.

I am 99% confident that there will be another election. I can't say how well-informed the voters in the next election will be, but they will know a lot more than you or I know now about events between now and then.

There were, of course, differences between Obama and Romney, but It was very unclear to me what Romney was promising. He has a very liberal background, but he seemed intent on masquerading as a severe conservative. I think he was inauthentic and I think that the voters saw through his impersonation, but many didn't know what to make of him. He seems like a nice man, but a bit strange. Anyway, I don't want to go on badmouthing him. It's time to unite behind going after Obama.

Will you be ready for the next election?

92 posted on 11/15/2012 1:29:30 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: MrEdd
I voted for Virgil Goode.

Good for you. God Bless President Virgil Goode!

93 posted on 11/15/2012 1:36:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

At this point I think I will just watch what happens. Events over the next four years will determine whether I ever bother to enter a voting booth again.

I’m glad, though, that there are optimists such as you.


94 posted on 11/15/2012 2:37:55 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Catsrus

Doctors and businessmen are increasingly getting joint program J.D.s. It’s a smart thing to do.


95 posted on 11/15/2012 3:02:29 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
[L]et's be honest. We had little reason to believe that Romney was truly dedicated to improving our social and cultural conditions -- indeed, that all-important thing called the human condition -- because he talked endlessly about his business experience.

Sure. But the hope was that he'd concentrate on economics, hold steady on "social and cultural conditions," and provide a good example. As politics goes, that may or may not have been an unreasonable hope as far as Romney goes but it's about the best we can do. Certainly, I'd have been happier with Bush if held steady on social issues and put more into good management and fiscal issues.

Most Americans don't like their bosses and have trouble with landlords and creditors. Talking about one's business experience is not usually a good way to win them over.

I guess not.

Many, like me, voted for Romney despite our relative poverty (I am in the lower middle class) and despite the fact that Obama's social program could benefit us financially. On the other hand, many wealthy people who stood to gain from Romney's promises of lowered capital gains taxes pulled their levers for Obama. Homo economicus is not as powerful as is our humanity. We Americans care about higher things.

That is also true, and Romney alienated voters with the "47%" talk.

Where were the Republicans who were either hot or cold? During the nomination process, each of the compelling, colorful Republican options, ranging from Herman Cain to Michele Bachmann, was thrown into the GOP dumpster by establishmentarians who were convinced that instead, voters needed to be lectured about statistics and given free copies of the Constitution.

C'mon. What is Bob thinking? Those candidates shot themselves in the foot -- again and again.

As an Evangelical values voter, I felt like I was the dirty family secret asked to come into the "big tent" through the side flap. In the end, I voted for Romney, but many people like me voted for the Democrats because at least the Democrats had a relatable message about compassion and mercy. Or, in many cases, they decided to stay home and spend the day praying to God for strength. At least God, unlike the Republicans, will never forget us or be ashamed of us.

My first reaction was: I'm not an Anglo-Saxon, but I don't complain about it or make a lot about being an outsider. But there is some sense here. Romney couldn't shake the "elitist" "rich guy" thing.

Selwyn Duke noted, as I've been thinking as well, that ethnic minorities have only one reason to vote for Republicans: social conservatism, not worship of the U.S. Constitution or a flood of economic numbers that are, when all is tallied, still just numbers. As a member of that sought-after class of people known as Latinos/Hispanics/people-of-color/call-us-what-you-will, I could not agree more with what Duke wrote. I voted for Mitt Romney because he stood up for traditional marriage and against abortion -- had he talked only about states' rights, due process, and lowering unemployment, I would have voted for Obama.

Okay, but why's he run down the Constitution so much? Isn't it part of "traditional American values"?

Anyway, this isn't a bad article about the election.

96 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:49 PM PST by x
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To: bert
God have mercy on america for the next four years,We are giong to see things that are going to cural the hair and that is no joke....The american people who voted for this will have to live with it....And for us who know that our God has over come the world and better seek Him prayfully...
97 posted on 11/15/2012 5:54:57 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: MrEdd

If you think your hands are clean you are sorely mistaken.

People will pay with their lives, including the unborn, because of people like you pretending to “keeping their hands clean”. Those “clean hands” just reelected the most determined person to kill the unborn that has ever held the office. And in the face of that you voted “present”. Some courage.


98 posted on 11/15/2012 10:42:05 PM PST by DB
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To: Liz
I recall an odd incident as the campaign got underway----Axelrod took CBS News on a tour of what was being billed as O's campaign war room. But to my eyes---it was completely staged----there were people sitting at computers and at desks---but nothing was going on.

I now believe O had literally no campaign operation b/c they had the whole thing fixed from the get go. Oh sure---they went through the motions--but it was all faked.

You've just reminded me a of a scene from the 1990 movie "The Grifters" (based on the 1963 novel by Jim Thompson) about a young con artist, his mother and his lover -- all of whom make a living out of cheating people.

In one scene, lover Myra Langtrey (Annette Bening) tells boyfriend Roy Dillon (John Cusak) the "long con" plan (a type of wire fraud) she and her old lover Cole pulled off on unsuspecting businessmen. They would rent out luxury office space (desperate for commercial tenants) and have it cheaply outfitted with front office staff and computers, the semblance of legitimate activity. The con was to tell "marks" (potential victims) that they had a bank of supercomputers in the back room which performed lightning-quick calculations (a "seven second delay") which would give savvy investors advance knowledge of which stocks to buy or sell. Myra's job was to bring in unsuspecting marks and sell them on the business, and extract a large up-front investment from them (in cash) on the spot. Cole would tantalizingly point to the door behind which the "supercomputers" lay (the door concealed a big empty room full of dust and spare bits of drywall) and offer to show the mark the equipment, and Myra would say "Oh, he couldn't possibly be interested in that," until the mark said, "Never mind, I'll take your word for it, here's the money."

A campaign run by a bunch of professional grifters.

99 posted on 11/15/2012 11:12:32 PM PST by thecodont
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To: yldstrk
I hate that abercrombie store with its blaring “music” and its bags with nekked heathens on them.

Back in the 1980s it was a tasteful store that sold sportswear -- sort of a cross between Orvis and Brooks Brothers.

100 posted on 11/15/2012 11:17:36 PM PST by thecodont
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