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Should Texas be allowed to secede from the union?
CNN ^ | November 14th, 2012 | Jack Cafferty

Posted on 11/15/2012 9:42:16 AM PST by Pfesser

Texas Gov. Rick Perry does not support a petition for the Lone Star State to secede from the union.

But a lot of people do.

The online petition asking the federal government to allow Texas to withdraw from the U.S. following President Barack Obama's reelection has nearly 100,000 signatures. It appears on a section of a White House website called “We The People" and cites economic difficulties due to the federal government's inability to cut spending.

Supporters suggest that secession would protect Texans' standard of living and "re-secure their rights and liberties."

(Excerpt) Read more at caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: secede; texas; union
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To: PGR88
Problem is - and Independent Texas will have enemies on two sides Mexico on the South, and the Federales on the North.

You must not know Texans very well if you think that's a problem.

101 posted on 11/15/2012 11:53:30 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: grobdriver

Amen!!!


102 posted on 11/15/2012 11:54:53 AM PST by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: Tau Food
Texans love the NFL and Texans love America.

Ah, but Texans love Texas even more.

103 posted on 11/15/2012 11:55:33 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: humblegunner
"If we decide to go, we should just go and screw getting "permission""

True that.

Seconded.

104 posted on 11/15/2012 11:57:24 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Pfesser

I can’t see any governor, Republican or Democrat, going along with secession of their state. They don’t want to lose those federal funds that they get. I wouldn’t sign a petition, but I would love to see it happen.


105 posted on 11/15/2012 11:58:09 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: napscoordinator
Well I think if we went to the extreme of secession, we wouldn't worry about the Fed's claim to a few acres of land.
If Obama decided to send the military in to "liberate" Texas military bases, I guess that'd get the ball rolling - and it would be an expensive decision in both men and equipment.

I don't know how it would work, either. Guess we wouldn't know until we tried. If we did, though, I'd be right there on the line with a bunch of other Texans, many of them Hispanic.

106 posted on 11/15/2012 11:58:45 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Pfesser

If Texas secedes, who gets to keep any nuclear weapons that may be stored in Texas?


107 posted on 11/15/2012 12:02:04 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Pfesser; All

” - - - Supporters suggest that secession would protect Texans’ standard of living and “re-secure their rights and liberties.” - - - “

DUH! OF COURSE! And your point is?

BTW, there are only two Economies in the Western World that are now improving: 1.) Ireland and 2.) TEXAS!


108 posted on 11/15/2012 12:07:25 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Pfesser
One of our "greatest" (cough cough) presidents took care of that pesky Constitutional problem a long time ago.

Don't get me started....

FMCDH(BITS)

109 posted on 11/15/2012 12:12:03 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Pfesser

The constitution had been breached by Obama Care mandating individuals and businesses to pay a tax. What more permission do we need?


110 posted on 11/15/2012 12:13:05 PM PST by the_boy_who_got_lost
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"although the poverty in Mississippi would potentially be a drag on the new nation."

If multiple States secede from the U.S. and form a new association, they will not collectively constitute a new Nation. Each of the States is already a sovereign Nation unto itself.

The word State is synonymous with Nation. There is a reason they are not called something like "provinces".

The Pledge of Allegiance reference to "one nation [under God] indivisible" was put there as propaganda. It was a post-Lincoln concept.

111 posted on 11/15/2012 12:24:58 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Pfesser

Hell yeah! Especially if they let me immigrate and they deport the liberals!


112 posted on 11/15/2012 12:25:24 PM PST by old school
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To: grumpygresh
"If Texas goes blue because of US amnesty, this opportunity for liberty will have been lost forever."

Obama's "Emancipation Proclamation" can be an executive order giving citizenship to illegals. He likes to compare himself to Lincoln, remember.

113 posted on 11/15/2012 12:37:33 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant

You’re correct, thanks for highlighting that.


114 posted on 11/15/2012 12:48:24 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Pfesser

“Allowed”? It is their choice, not ours. The question whomever posted the original question is actually asking is: “Should we force Texas to stay in the union?”


115 posted on 11/15/2012 1:13:18 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Tau Food
"Texans love the NFL and Texans love America. They're not going anywhere."

They love America, which is a people and an ideal expressed in our founding principles. That will not change. Texans do not love the Nation-State-like government entity that many people mistake for America.

Texans will be more American after secession than they are now. Remember, the Founding Fathers did not see America or the union as a single State. The Declaration says, for example, "these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States." Plural.

116 posted on 11/15/2012 1:31:54 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant
The Declaration says, for example, "these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States." Plural.

Yeah, that's what the Declaration said in 1776. However, they then formed a confederation (Articles of Confederation). Then, in 1789, the people of the United States formed a new national government and a "more perfect Union" with a new Constitution.

117 posted on 11/15/2012 1:46:43 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Quickgun
So Texans tolerated illegals? How was that better than the current system? (I am not being facetious, BTW). It seems from what I read that the border agents were fairly active in seeking out illegals (in the 50s anyways) but many ranchers helped hide them. What changed?
118 posted on 11/15/2012 1:50:49 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: bgill
From what I understand is he got campaign contributions from Merk and then tried to force Gardisil vaccination on Texas’ young girls.
119 posted on 11/15/2012 1:53:30 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: DoughtyOne

Secession will end up being the ONLY answer if anyone wishes to keep what is left of their liberty and their lives from the tyranny of the Obama regime.

It will either be that - or submission to this regime being the god of their lives in order to live and survive. Recall that in all Marxist governments, those who do not serve the ideology and regime they are slaves to - live on borrowed time.

As to the ideology of Conservatism being sold to a II Timothy 3 Generation - some of the numbers of this past election bear that the ideals of conservatism are rejected by this people.

Should be no surprise considering this people in the majority have rejected God and have been busy removing him from their lives and this nation while those who claim to follow Him have become lukewarm, having only the form of religion and having no power thereof.

As Adams noted, our form of government under the Constitution “was made only for a moral and religious people, it is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other”.

We are no longer a moral or religious people, and that is the foundation liberty itself, and Conservatism was built on. Today the Ruling Class has redefined Conservatism to be a political loyalty without the need for the moral (or Social) planks.

As Franklin noted “As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters” - and that is what we are now: a vicious and corrupt nation who has empowered the State to be it’s master, and the State imposing it’s authority as Master to maintain order and control of the people.

A nation no longer under God, is a nation that is gone under.

And that is where we sadly are. A people of faith have no power or ability to reform this tyranny in D.C. Not by any means available to us except one - and there are not enough of us willing to risk that.

Therefore, we can only withdraw from supporting it and secede, or bow down and worship it.

It will be one or the other. Make no mistake.


120 posted on 11/15/2012 2:19:50 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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