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Pitchfork Petitions - Why Funcational Secession Is Possible
Cowboy Confessional ^ | 11/18/2012 | Guy Smith

Posted on 11/18/2012 10:04:41 AM PST by guyshomenet

When a million people knock on your door, you should pay attention.

Since FDR’s dark days, the divide between Americans who keep faith with the Constitution and those who use it for personal hygiene has grown deeper. Many like to blame Barack Obama for our perpetual political antagonism. Yet he is merely the latest manifestation of that eroding evil known as concentrated power. The backlash Barack suffers from those who seek enforcement of America’s express written will started its current fevered pitch via bank bailouts under Bush the Lesser. His errors were preceded by Clinton not serving time for perjury, tax rates that would offend serfs, “law” enforcement stealing property via forfeiture, and the ever growing militarization of federal agencies in order to evade the Posse Comitatus Act intent. It is a long and rapidly growing list of injuries and usurpations.

It is inconvenient for Obama that he is the back-breaking straw.

With his reelection, a number of people have abandoned hope for the union.  In an interestingly snarky form of public protest – the very best kind – they hijacked Obama’s own White House web site to lodge petitions for secession. Within short order, petitions were filed for all 50 states and over a million people registered a desire to disown their uncle Sam. The drive appears to not yet be waning and even serious news organizations (which excludes ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC ...) have climbed their pundit podiums to pronounce what they do not yet understand.

This is just the beginning.

Freedom craving people have the quaint habit of getting what they want. Some escape authoritarian nations to breathe free, resting aside dented golden doors. Other raise arms against their oppressors, as Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad have recently learned. Like life, freedom tries to find a way and given the tiniest patch of soil, will grow. Obama’s petition site is merely the first rains to nurture an inevitable confrontation between those who protect and defend the Constitution and those falsely pledge to do so.

Odds are long against secession, though there are many flavors of that pie. Most disconnection will be individual and private. Some folks will find legal ways of disassociation. Others will avoid feeding the beast by not paying their taxes. Many will actively subvert process and policy to waste the time, money and patience of every Federal employee. Some will make members of armed federal agencies eat bullets.

When a million people knock on your door, it is wise to listen.

But state-wide secession is not impossible. Some will argue that it is unconstitutional, though this matters not if the Constitution is in a state of perpetual violation. It is possible to create functional disengagement by states. This takes many forms, from denying federal policy through non-cooperation to actively arresting and incarcerating federal agents for unconstitutional activities. It might involve permitting citizens to discount their tax payments, to offset federal thievery and then defanging all IRS agents and federal courts within state borders. It could involve mobilizing reservist to enforce practical separation and to protect its citizens.

Petition protests are not always mere pleas for redress. They are often battle flags – polite warnings that intolerable conditions preface inevitable consequences. They are literary cannon balls flying across the bow of dictator yachts and ultimatums nailed to doors. They are warnings both to oppressors and oppressed that unless correction is forthcoming, corrective action is unavoidable.

When a million people knock on your door, it is wise to listen ... and obey.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: obama; petition; secession

1 posted on 11/18/2012 10:04:53 AM PST by guyshomenet
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To: guyshomenet

Will never happen. Silly speculation.


2 posted on 11/18/2012 10:25:50 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: guyshomenet

There are many ways to rebel... throw every monkey wrench you can.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 10:28:24 AM PST by Lexington Green (Massive voter fraud - A stolen election)
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To: Blackirish
“Will never happen. Silly speculation.”

Given that the usurpation of the present Fedzilla exceed those of King George by a considerable margin, either Americans have become a population of wimps or change will occur.

About 60 days from now, the hammer of socialism will begin to pound on America, probably starting with Second Amendment abuses ala UN treaties.

4 posted on 11/18/2012 10:34:25 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Lexington Green

dont stop with the monkey wrenches, I would throw screw drivers, sockets and anything else I could get my hands on.

You are definitely correct. Have a good day!


5 posted on 11/18/2012 10:36:03 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: guyshomenet

I think “Funcational” is a rassiss term. My dog whistle detector was activated. Let’s check with Chris Matthews.


6 posted on 11/18/2012 10:50:10 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Lexington Green

What ideas for petty insurrection do you have?

If we all do a couple a day that’s billions over time.

The Lilliputian Rebellion!


7 posted on 11/18/2012 10:56:30 AM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: x1stcav

Here are some preliminary ideas. Let’s get creative.

> How to Throw Monkey Wrenches into the Socialist Takeover of America-
> Resistance techniques for the average citizen
>
> Under Obama care, 16,000 new IRS agents will be monitoring you for
> compliance. Make their job as difficult as possible. For instance,
> never submit your tax form electronically. This saves the IRS millions
> of man-hours when you do their data entry work for them. File a paper
> return. This will force IRS workers to manually enter your data into
> their Big Brother machine. Millions and millions of hours of IRS
> manpower could be drained away if millions of antisocialist tax filers
> simply filed on paper. You might even consider leaving a digit or two
> off of your tax return, forcing the IRS to write you a letter and
> further delay their agenda. Cheat in every way possible.
>
> Doctors have just received the new Obama care regulations. The
> regulations are 13,000 pages long. There is a lot of room for mischief
> in 13,000 pages. Read these pages yourself and look for opportunities
> to frustrate the implementation of socialized medicine.
>
> The press in the United States is now practicing full-scale Soviet
> style journalism. They are propagandists for the socialist revolution
> now upon us. Identify these guys, and never watch them. Ask your cable
> company to remove them from your cable list. Boycott their sponsors.
> Those with investigative resources should look into the personal and
> private lives of these propagandists.
>
> If you currently employ an Obama supporter, fire him. Do not hire
> Obama supporters.
>
> Tell your socialist friends that you cannot be friends with them again
> until they remove their socialist boot from your neck.
>
> If possible, cut back your work week to four days – thus denying the
> federal government 20% of their tax revenue.
>
> Seek spiritual guidance from George Hayduke.


8 posted on 11/18/2012 11:00:29 AM PST by Lexington Green (Massive voter fraud - A stolen election)
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To: GladesGuru
This bum from Chicago is stealing our country out from under us, and we set here and take it. It escapes us that when it is gone we will never be able to get it back. The world will never let there be another America, because it was so dangerous. Free people expressing free speech, carrying weapons of mass destruction, voting for their leaders. The Bill of Rights would never be perpetuated in the country where it was born. It is now or never.
If you want it for free go someplace else.
9 posted on 11/18/2012 11:03:22 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Blackirish

A just government derives its power from the consent of the governed. When it loses that consent, it will be changed. Just natural law at work.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 11:09:54 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: guyshomenet

At this point, there is not enough motivation for secession. But there will be if Obama overextends his new flexibility or if it becomes evident that the election was won with massive fraud.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 11:12:28 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: guyshomenet

“Many will actively subvert process and policy to waste the time, money and patience of every Federal employee”

Any specific suggestion on exactly how to do this? File EPA complaints against Lefties? Filing religious exemption to 0-care by claiming to be a Muzzy(no can’t even bring myself to fake that) or Amish?


12 posted on 11/18/2012 11:14:00 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: guyshomenet

We should just concede the FedGov™ to the socialists. It is lost. Having said that, we need to create 50 states with Republican governors a legislatures that will wield the power of the 10th amendment up to and including the option of secession. There was a time when the state was superior to the Federal, it can happen again. It is the way the Constitution originally codified our republic.


13 posted on 11/18/2012 11:14:52 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: guyshomenet
Secession
14 posted on 11/18/2012 11:19:58 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: rockrr

So long as it’s funcational ...


15 posted on 11/18/2012 11:35:28 AM PST by x
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To: Founding Father
Secession

The more I think my way through the concept of secession, the more I like the idea. Here’s why:

When the regime begins to push our people harder than they’re now doing, and when the coming economic hardships and regulatory insanity cause even greater levels of anger, disillusionment, resolve amongst the people to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I think we may see one or more red state legislatures finally draft Acts of Secession, which will then be signed by all legally vested parties and presented to Washington.

Should Texas lead the way to the exits, I predict that at least half a dozen other states will follow in rapid succession, joining Texas in a new American Union. This would all be done without a single drop of blood shed between the rebellious states and the federals. This is the 21st century, not the 19th. No blood will be spilled over this purely political divorce.

Once several red states have disengaged themselves from the parasitic maw of Washington, the old union states will begin to falter, as the economic engine that feeds the Socialist system in this country will be too starved to meet its obligations. More red states will flee as the days darken. Collapse and calamity in the blue states will ensue, as generationally crippled millions feed upon each other, then storm the gates of power, demanding to be fed.

Sheer bedlam will rule, and the statist infrastructure will crumble under the weight of too little real production, and too many takers to sustain.

When the old union reaches that level of failure, we can expect to see passionate entreaties to the former red states to reunite with the old union in a restored constitutional republic. Leftist ideals will be cast aside and burned, as reality proves what falsehoods they always were. Imagine an entire nation ‘mugged by reality.’

It’s at this point, that I see the re-unification of the country.

16 posted on 11/18/2012 11:40:59 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: x

Is it too late to post the “Not this sh!t again” pic?


17 posted on 11/18/2012 11:56:56 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Windflier

Your post is spot on with the exception of saying the socialists will see the error of their ways.


18 posted on 11/18/2012 12:08:57 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ANGGAPO

I like your post #9. What has not been taught in history classes for a VERY long time (because no one teaches history, anymore) is that, when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and added the Bill of Rights, the fledgling nation of America was the laughingstock of the world.

At that time, the world was ruled primarily by, monarchs, dictators, tyrants, war lords, emporers, czars and kaisers. The people had little or no voice in what their government did, their only choice was to comply or face the consequences.

For just over 200 years, America was able to look at its foes and ask, “Still find us funny?” But, no more. The hatred of people like Obama and Soros and tyrants around the world for America, the bastion of freedom in the world, will finally get the last laugh.

I never believed that I would see this in my lifetime and am so ashamed of my country for allowing it!


19 posted on 11/18/2012 12:16:51 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

The political battlefield in the USA has two hills, one Federal and one State. Yes, the socialist have taken the high ground on one of the hills. The other hill is up for grabs and IMO the more import if not overlooked for the last 150 years.


20 posted on 11/18/2012 12:21:25 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Windflier
This is the 21st century, not the 19th. No blood will be spilled over this purely political divorce.

You were doing godd up to this point. While I support and endorse secession as our ONLY means of saving America, I do not, for a second, believe that it will be without bloodshed.

Leftist pundits have compared Obama to Lincoln and, doubtless, with his ego, Obama sees himself that way as well. So, he will repeat history by employing the tactics of Lincoln against the secessionists.

In the end, should this scenario play out as we see it, I agree that, sometime down the road, America will, agaion, re-unify as one nation, under God.

21 posted on 11/18/2012 12:23:09 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: guyshomenet

I just learned a new word. It’s sounds king of porny.


22 posted on 11/18/2012 12:28:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: SERKIT

Is a Funcation similar to Staycation, except at a Sandals resort?


23 posted on 11/18/2012 12:43:08 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Lexington Green; All

I like some of your suggestions. I’ve never filed electronically just for the reason you describe: why make it easier on them? I’ve already taken steps to cut my federal taxes from $50K a year down to $12K. Let’s see how they like that if multiplied by the millions?

C’mon! Freepers! Let’s bog ‘em down. What other ideas?


24 posted on 11/18/2012 12:52:39 PM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: no one in particular
Mr Booth, please pick up the white courtesy telephone . . .
25 posted on 11/18/2012 1:14:03 PM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: x1stcav
C’mon! Freepers! Let’s bog ‘em down. What other ideas?

I think all of us should apply for government freebies. Even though not qualified, the paperwork will bog down the government. And apply often. Apply for welfare, free services, free cellphones, etc. If millions of us do that, it'll slow down applications from the moochers, and bog down government offices.

26 posted on 11/18/2012 1:22:31 PM PST by roadcat
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To: central_va

Interesting you mention this. The growing number of Red state govs and legislatures is the likely point of federalist resistance. 31 states if I recall. This is a large block, but will require them to find means for confrontation.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 1:25:38 PM PST by guyshomenet
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To: Blackirish

Will never happen. Silly speculation.

*********************

Because all nations last forever. Just ask the Soviets.


28 posted on 11/18/2012 1:31:17 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

“At this point, there is not enough motivation for secession.”

I agree with you. At this point.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 1:33:41 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Windflier

Oh Cowboy, I see your vision and it’s lovely, but it’s a dream. I love you, but it ain’t never going to happen in this realm. The world is about used up. The Lord will come soon and then your dream will become reality. The world’s clock was set and it’s winding down. I’m keeping my eyes on the Eastern skies.


30 posted on 11/18/2012 1:36:52 PM PST by WVNan
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To: roadcat; All

Actually, that’s a good one.

Anybody else?


31 posted on 11/18/2012 1:37:40 PM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: x1stcav

Some people might engage in disruption of the ‘work’ of government employees.
Flat tires and numerous other annoying disruptions to their nefarious machinations...


32 posted on 11/18/2012 2:00:09 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: x1stcav

One way is by purposely keeping both your income and expenses low enough that your tax burden stays at zero, or as close to it as you can come.

Grow a garden, and you can eat food that hasn’t been inspected.

Barter for things when you can. Technically, barter is supposed to be counted the same as cash transactions according to the IRS. But the fact is, that rule is nearly impossible to enforce.

There’s others that are on the tip of my tounge (or fingers, in this case). I’m sure I’ll think of them as soon as I post this.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 2:09:58 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Ellendra
Barter for things when you can. Technically, barter is supposed to be counted the same as cash transactions according to the IRS. But the fact is, that rule is nearly impossible to enforce.

So grow some tomatoes, and fling some at IRS office windows. There, taxes paid. (Hey IRS if you're spying on me, just kidding.)

34 posted on 11/18/2012 4:42:31 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Ellendra; All

We’ve started to implement all of these. Looking for more. If we all (just on FR alone) engaged in two or three daily, it would start to affect the behemoth.


35 posted on 11/18/2012 5:28:20 PM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: Blackirish

“Will never happen. Silly speculation.”

Who is speculating? All I see is a petition requesting an option for peaceful separation...

That we can be fairly sure of the answer the totalitarian Obama will give is as il-relvent as the possibility of a peaceful secession at this point in time.

What is relevant is the question & cause behind it. It is that cause which you should be talking about. For it is that cause, the inalienable desire for liberty that is the source of our freedom. A small fire is lit, and its symptoms are glowingly apparent.


36 posted on 11/18/2012 8:54:49 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: roadcat

I would find it more effective and peaceful to publicly shun IRS agents in shame.

We cannot hope to challenge the State in the arena of force. They will find whatever excuse possible to arrest and destroy us in the interest of cementing their own hold on power.

Here is a fantastic article:
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

Just remember theses petition are just that petitioner for a question. A question that will firmly establish the tyrants view of the chains we must overcome.


37 posted on 11/18/2012 8:58:52 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: tomkat

“Mr Booth, please pick up the white courtesy telephone . . .”

It is interesting that you should mention Booth. For such a man could, at the beginning, change the course of history, whereas at the end his actions had little effect at all.

Likewise were something to remove the charismatic Obama from this Stage the nether Bidden, Boehner, nor Reid would be able to replace Obama & his cult like hold upon so many of our people even if they were driven in the same way.

Don’t get me wrong I cannot advocate for anyones “removal” I’m simply making the intellectual point that Tyrannicide is inconsequence to an act at the end but not at the beginning.

Booth failed in his quest to save the confederacy because by the time he carried out his deed the confederacy was already beaten. What Booth did succeed in was reshaping the fate of reconstruction.


38 posted on 11/18/2012 9:18:25 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Blackirish

Given the multiple forms of real or functional separation (regardless of the term), and that individuals have most of the options at their disposal, then it leaves the realm of speculation and become a question of when and how much.

Regardless, with 31 Rep govs and a red state bock, we well may see re-federalism imposed from the base up.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 7:53:05 AM PST by guyshomenet
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To: guyshomenet

The Constitution is a pact between the several States, for purposes of forming a nation-level government. The Constitution belongs to the States and the federal behemoth MUST comply with it, which it increasingly is not.

Hence, it is the States that must take action. If even one of the States announces that all federal income tax filings will be kept and not sent along to the IRS, that could be enough to crack the egg shell. Then the fun would REALLY begin!

I still believe Article V allows the states to Amend the Constitution despite a recalcitrant or even hostile Congress. And no, I don’t believe a Constitutional Convention could discard the current Constitution, since you’d never get enough states to ratify a new one. Term limits, anyone?


40 posted on 11/19/2012 9:24:20 AM PST by DNME (It's never over. Never.)
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bump


41 posted on 11/21/2012 7:21:39 PM PST by foreverfree
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