Skip to comments.Pitchfork Petitions - Why Funcational Secession Is Possible
Posted on 11/18/2012 10:04:41 AM PST by guyshomenet
When a million people knock on your door, you should pay attention.
Since FDRs dark days, the divide between Americans who keep faith with the Constitution and those who use it for personal hygiene has grown deeper. Many like to blame Barack Obama for our perpetual political antagonism. Yet he is merely the latest manifestation of that eroding evil known as concentrated power. The backlash Barack suffers from those who seek enforcement of Americas express written will started its current fevered pitch via bank bailouts under Bush the Lesser. His errors were preceded by Clinton not serving time for perjury, tax rates that would offend serfs, law enforcement stealing property via forfeiture, and the ever growing militarization of federal agencies in order to evade the Posse Comitatus Act intent. It is a long and rapidly growing list of injuries and usurpations.
It is inconvenient for Obama that he is the back-breaking straw.
With his reelection, a number of people have abandoned hope for the union. In an interestingly snarky form of public protest the very best kind they hijacked Obamas own White House web site to lodge petitions for secession. Within short order, petitions were filed for all 50 states and over a million people registered a desire to disown their uncle Sam. The drive appears to not yet be waning and even serious news organizations (which excludes ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC ...) have climbed their pundit podiums to pronounce what they do not yet understand.
This is just the beginning.
Freedom craving people have the quaint habit of getting what they want. Some escape authoritarian nations to breathe free, resting aside dented golden doors. Other raise arms against their oppressors, as Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad have recently learned. Like life, freedom tries to find a way and given the tiniest patch of soil, will grow. Obamas petition site is merely the first rains to nurture an inevitable confrontation between those who protect and defend the Constitution and those falsely pledge to do so.
Odds are long against secession, though there are many flavors of that pie. Most disconnection will be individual and private. Some folks will find legal ways of disassociation. Others will avoid feeding the beast by not paying their taxes. Many will actively subvert process and policy to waste the time, money and patience of every Federal employee. Some will make members of armed federal agencies eat bullets.
When a million people knock on your door, it is wise to listen.
But state-wide secession is not impossible. Some will argue that it is unconstitutional, though this matters not if the Constitution is in a state of perpetual violation. It is possible to create functional disengagement by states. This takes many forms, from denying federal policy through non-cooperation to actively arresting and incarcerating federal agents for unconstitutional activities. It might involve permitting citizens to discount their tax payments, to offset federal thievery and then defanging all IRS agents and federal courts within state borders. It could involve mobilizing reservist to enforce practical separation and to protect its citizens.
Petition protests are not always mere pleas for redress. They are often battle flags polite warnings that intolerable conditions preface inevitable consequences. They are literary cannon balls flying across the bow of dictator yachts and ultimatums nailed to doors. They are warnings both to oppressors and oppressed that unless correction is forthcoming, corrective action is unavoidable.
When a million people knock on your door, it is wise to listen ... and obey.
You were doing godd up to this point. While I support and endorse secession as our ONLY means of saving America, I do not, for a second, believe that it will be without bloodshed.
Leftist pundits have compared Obama to Lincoln and, doubtless, with his ego, Obama sees himself that way as well. So, he will repeat history by employing the tactics of Lincoln against the secessionists.
In the end, should this scenario play out as we see it, I agree that, sometime down the road, America will, agaion, re-unify as one nation, under God.
I just learned a new word. It’s sounds king of porny.
Is a Funcation similar to Staycation, except at a Sandals resort?
I like some of your suggestions. I’ve never filed electronically just for the reason you describe: why make it easier on them? I’ve already taken steps to cut my federal taxes from $50K a year down to $12K. Let’s see how they like that if multiplied by the millions?
C’mon! Freepers! Let’s bog ‘em down. What other ideas?
I think all of us should apply for government freebies. Even though not qualified, the paperwork will bog down the government. And apply often. Apply for welfare, free services, free cellphones, etc. If millions of us do that, it'll slow down applications from the moochers, and bog down government offices.
Interesting you mention this. The growing number of Red state govs and legislatures is the likely point of federalist resistance. 31 states if I recall. This is a large block, but will require them to find means for confrontation.
Will never happen. Silly speculation.
Because all nations last forever. Just ask the Soviets.
“At this point, there is not enough motivation for secession.”
I agree with you. At this point.
Oh Cowboy, I see your vision and it’s lovely, but it’s a dream. I love you, but it ain’t never going to happen in this realm. The world is about used up. The Lord will come soon and then your dream will become reality. The world’s clock was set and it’s winding down. I’m keeping my eyes on the Eastern skies.
Actually, that’s a good one.
Some people might engage in disruption of the ‘work’ of government employees.
Flat tires and numerous other annoying disruptions to their nefarious machinations...
One way is by purposely keeping both your income and expenses low enough that your tax burden stays at zero, or as close to it as you can come.
Grow a garden, and you can eat food that hasn’t been inspected.
Barter for things when you can. Technically, barter is supposed to be counted the same as cash transactions according to the IRS. But the fact is, that rule is nearly impossible to enforce.
There’s others that are on the tip of my tounge (or fingers, in this case). I’m sure I’ll think of them as soon as I post this.
So grow some tomatoes, and fling some at IRS office windows. There, taxes paid. (Hey IRS if you're spying on me, just kidding.)
We’ve started to implement all of these. Looking for more. If we all (just on FR alone) engaged in two or three daily, it would start to affect the behemoth.
“Will never happen. Silly speculation.”
Who is speculating? All I see is a petition requesting an option for peaceful separation...
That we can be fairly sure of the answer the totalitarian Obama will give is as il-relvent as the possibility of a peaceful secession at this point in time.
What is relevant is the question & cause behind it. It is that cause which you should be talking about. For it is that cause, the inalienable desire for liberty that is the source of our freedom. A small fire is lit, and its symptoms are glowingly apparent.
I would find it more effective and peaceful to publicly shun IRS agents in shame.
We cannot hope to challenge the State in the arena of force. They will find whatever excuse possible to arrest and destroy us in the interest of cementing their own hold on power.
Here is a fantastic article:
Just remember theses petition are just that petitioner for a question. A question that will firmly establish the tyrants view of the chains we must overcome.
“Mr Booth, please pick up the white courtesy telephone . . .”
It is interesting that you should mention Booth. For such a man could, at the beginning, change the course of history, whereas at the end his actions had little effect at all.
Likewise were something to remove the charismatic Obama from this Stage the nether Bidden, Boehner, nor Reid would be able to replace Obama & his cult like hold upon so many of our people even if they were driven in the same way.
Don’t get me wrong I cannot advocate for anyones “removal” I’m simply making the intellectual point that Tyrannicide is inconsequence to an act at the end but not at the beginning.
Booth failed in his quest to save the confederacy because by the time he carried out his deed the confederacy was already beaten. What Booth did succeed in was reshaping the fate of reconstruction.
Given the multiple forms of real or functional separation (regardless of the term), and that individuals have most of the options at their disposal, then it leaves the realm of speculation and become a question of when and how much.
Regardless, with 31 Rep govs and a red state bock, we well may see re-federalism imposed from the base up.
The Constitution is a pact between the several States, for purposes of forming a nation-level government. The Constitution belongs to the States and the federal behemoth MUST comply with it, which it increasingly is not.
Hence, it is the States that must take action. If even one of the States announces that all federal income tax filings will be kept and not sent along to the IRS, that could be enough to crack the egg shell. Then the fun would REALLY begin!
I still believe Article V allows the states to Amend the Constitution despite a recalcitrant or even hostile Congress. And no, I don’t believe a Constitutional Convention could discard the current Constitution, since you’d never get enough states to ratify a new one. Term limits, anyone?
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