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To: ksen

“But I’m all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues. “

I’m for breaking away from employer based pools as well but not so sure about single payer. I would pool people by zip code or something and pay for it by subscription, just like we do cable tv, gas, water, etc.

For now though, employer based is what we have and don’t think having comparable plans across employers for legal procedures is too much to ask. We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on. If a business owner does not want to purchase something, that is fine, but if a business is incorporated and seen by the gov as a separate person, and if the gov is saying that incorporated person needs to offer x coverage, then so be it. It is the law and if it is not liked, go to congress to have it changed.


102 posted on 11/20/2012 3:29:17 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DonaldC
"For now though, employer based is what we have and don’t think having comparable plans across employers for legal procedures is too much to ask. We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on."

That is a fascinatingly stupid statement given Muslims are exempted from Bobocare...

108 posted on 11/20/2012 3:49:26 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: DonaldC
We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on.

Are you insane? Off your meds? You acknowledge that we might be majority muslim someday and still don't see the problem in allowing muslims to force on every other religion their own dictates? You don't want a religious exemption to be available so youre future female descendants aren't mandated to have female circumcision? Being forced to practice someone else's religious beliefs, as the abortion mandate does, is as unamerican as it gets.

111 posted on 11/20/2012 3:53:53 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: DonaldC
We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim.

Okay....let's cut to the chase. You are nuts!!

149 posted on 11/20/2012 5:06:25 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: DonaldC

“We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim”

So? You don’t hear people attacking the decision on grounds of the right to the free expression of Christianity. If a muslim retail store doesn’t want to sell pork, so be it.

“A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous grounds to be on?”

Why? Do you imagine employers won’t let their staff buy condoms, receive blood transfusions, or whatever else superstition forbids? There’s an elegant solution, and one our civilization gas apparently forgotten: get another job! Better yet, let’s decide as a society to divorce the corrupt union of employment and insurance coverage.


151 posted on 11/20/2012 5:14:27 PM PST by Tublecane
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