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Will Obama Allow Americans to Practice Catholicism? No!
Patriot Post ^ | 11/21/12 | Terence Jeffrey

Posted on 11/21/2012 9:49:48 AM PST by rhema

"Catholicism teaches that it is a sin to use, provide, or otherwise support contraception."

These words are not from the Catholic Catechism or a sermon by a Catholic bishop. They are excerpted from the preliminary injunction U.S. District Judge Robert H. Cleland issued last month temporarily stopping the Obama administration from forcing a family-owned outdoor-power-equipment company to comply with an Obamacare regulation that requires virtually all health care plans to provide women (but not men) with co-pay-free coverage for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs.

The judge stated the Catholic teaching on contraception as an undisputed fact of the case. He could have made similar statements about sterilization and abortion.

The Obama administration is not arguing that the Catholic Church does not actually teach that artificial contraception, sterilization and abortion violate the natural law and are intrinsically immoral, and that Catholics cannot be involved in them.

What the Obama administration argues is that it has the authority to tell Americans they can no longer practice Catholicism. What the Obama administration argues is that it can order Catholics to act against their faith.

In the case of Daniel Weingartz v. Sebelius, the administration specifically argues it can order a Catholic business owner to provide his employees with coverage for contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs -- and thus act against the teachings of his faith on a matter that involves the destruction of innocent human life.

Elsewhere, the administration argues it can order Catholic institutions -- such as the University of Notre Dame -- to provide its employees and students with coverage for contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs.

Still elsewhere, by mandating that all individuals must buy government-approved health-care plans (whether through an employer or a government health-insurance exchange), the Obama administration argues that it can order all Catholic laypersons in the United States to act against the teachings of their faith.

The Catholic bishops of the United States have unanimously declared that the Obama administration's contraception-sterilization-abortifacient regulation is "an unjust and illegal mandate" that violates the freedom of conscience not just of Catholic institutions and Catholic business owners, but also of individual Catholic laypersons who do not own businesses or manage Catholic institutions.

The regulation, the bishops said, is a "violation of personal civil rights."

The regulation, they said, creates a class of Americans "with no conscience protection at all: individuals who, in their daily lives, strive constantly to act in accordance with their faith and moral values. They, too, face a government mandate to aid in providing 'services' contrary to those values -- whether in their sponsoring of, and payment for, insurance as employers; their payment of insurance premiums as employees; or as insurers themselves -- without even the semblance of an exemption."

How does the Obama administration justify ordering Catholics to act against their faith?

First, it argues that Catholics lose the right to live according to the moral teachings of their church when they start a business. "Weingartz Supply Company is a for-profit, secular employer, and a secular entity by definition does not exercise religion," Acting Assistant Attorney General Stuart F. Delery argued in a submission to Judge Cleland.

Well, what about a nonprofit institution such as a Catholic university? What about an individual Catholic layperson? How can the administration justify ordering them to act against their faith? The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Isn't the administration prohibiting the free exercise of religion when it orders Catholics to act against Catholic teachings?

"The Free Exercise Clause does not prohibit a law that is neutral and generally applicable even if the law prescribes conduct that an individual's religion proscribes," Assistant Attorney General Delery told the court. "The preventive services coverage regulations fall within this rubric because they do not target, or selectively burden, religiously motivated conduct."

In plain English: As the Obama administration interprets the First Amendment, it cannot order only Catholics to pay for the administration of a drug that kills an unborn child, but it can order all Americans -- including Catholics -- to pay for the administration of a drug that kills an unborn child.

Many bishops have spoken out clearly and courageously against President Obama's attack on religious freedom.

Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh wrote in his diocesan newspaper: "The Obama administration has just told the Catholics of the United States, 'To Hell with you!'"

Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who leads the Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, wrote a letter to be read by chaplains serving Sunday masses attended by U.S. military forces. Obama's mandate, the archbishop said, is "a blow to a freedom that you have fought to defend and for which you have seen your buddies fall in battle."

Broglio and many other bishops declared: "We cannot -- we will not -- comply with this unjust law."

In his encyclical letter Evangelium Vitae, Pope John Paul II cited St. Thomas Aquinas in explaining the Catholic teaching on unjust laws.

"This is the clear teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas, who writes that 'human law is law inasmuch as it is in conformity with right reason and thus derives from the eternal law," said the pope. "'But when a law is contrary to reason, it is called an unjust law; but in this case it ceases to be a law and becomes instead an act of violence.'"

"To refuse to take part in committing an injustice is not only a moral duty," said the pope, "it is also a basic human right."

President Obama has launched the greatest attack on religious liberty in the history of the United States. He hopes to divide Catholics from their church and American law from truth and justice.

There is no middle ground here. The church is right, the bishops are right, freedom of conscience is an alienable right, and Obama is more wrong about the meaning of liberty than any American president has ever been.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: catholic; moralabsolutes; obama; prolife

1 posted on 11/21/2012 9:49:57 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

Right. But wanna bet the 0bamites let their favorite cult practice their barbaric rituals?


2 posted on 11/21/2012 9:51:34 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: rhema

This anvil has worn out every hammer. Bring it, Bambi.


3 posted on 11/21/2012 9:55:08 AM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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To: I want the USA back

What I find absolutely delicious about the Left’s embrace of Islam is how absolutely counter it is to everything they preach. If they allow Sharia law in our courts, women will suddenly become property and treated like a rental car and gays will be hung by their genitals.

I can “hide” in plain sight with my religion, but I’m a man. Women, just by virtue of having breasts and long hair, will become subject to medieval requirements to cover up and obey overnight.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 9:55:09 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Women in medieval England were treated rather better than they are today in Islam. For starters they weren't routinely subjected to FGM.
5 posted on 11/21/2012 9:58:24 AM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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To: rhema

We will fight.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 9:58:43 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: agere_contra

Post of the day!


7 posted on 11/21/2012 10:05:39 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Salvation; narses; NYer
Not only Catholics, but many other Christians will fight the usurper's arrogant overreach.

The list of lawsuits -- more than 40, with more than 110 plaintiffs -- includes Christian colleges and organizations like Wheaton College, Colorado Christian College, and Tyndale House Publishers.

8 posted on 11/21/2012 10:08:57 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
Somewhere in the Bible it talks about those who run to do evil.

I would hate to be standing around them when God conducts His wrath.

9 posted on 11/21/2012 10:12:50 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness. . .” [Isaiah 5:20]


10 posted on 11/21/2012 10:16:46 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Slyfox
And this:

"Their feet run to evil, and they are swift to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; desolation and destruction are in their highways." [Isaiah 59:7]

11 posted on 11/21/2012 10:19:32 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
It might be good to make a list of everything that will befall those who run to evil.

Opening the OT as we write.

12 posted on 11/21/2012 10:23:32 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: rhema

Obama will burn in hell


13 posted on 11/21/2012 10:27:30 AM PST by Catholic Canadian
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To: rhema

They should start calling their churches “mosques” and they will be able to do whatever they want.


14 posted on 11/21/2012 10:29:48 AM PST by Calpublican
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To: agere_contra

I don’t give a rats a@@ what the administration will allow. I agree, Bring it, Bambi !!!!!!


15 posted on 11/21/2012 10:30:28 AM PST by OHPatriot (It's time to party like it's 1096 AD.)
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To: rhema

Do not obey the ruling, pure and simple.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 10:31:15 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
The line of those who will not obey the immoral law is growing longer.

"Catholic Bishops: We Will Not Obey Immoral HHS-Abortion Mandate"

17 posted on 11/21/2012 10:41:28 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Sure, we can practice it . . . in our jail cells.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 10:53:00 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: rhema
Excellent point. I don't have the lit right at hand, but there's a good number of non-Catholic Christian plaintiffs. I am so proud of them!

Must remember to make a little "widow's mite" contribution to the ADF, Becket, and other do-the-right-thing law firms. They desperately need it.

19 posted on 11/21/2012 10:57:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The ACLJ is another defender of the faith.

Jay Sekulow notes, "The ACLJ has not only filed three direct challenges to the HHS mandate, we have also filed amicus briefs in over a dozen other cases."

20 posted on 11/21/2012 11:14:35 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rarestia

Not really. They are very much alike. There thought process is the same(Leftist in flavor), and they believe in two sets of rules. One set (i.e. they can do what they want, when they want to and change the rules to there favor when ever they want even within there upper ranks) is for them, the other set is for everyone else. They are revolutionary in style. The liberal really does treat women in general as objects, if you doubt that look at all the sex scandals and how they handle them, look at the birth control abortion debate as if woman care only about these issues(not family, not jobs, etc). To liberals, women in general are there at their service even top liberal women act like that toward other woman.


21 posted on 11/21/2012 11:17:31 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: rhema

Very good -— thanks for that info. ACLJ rocks!


22 posted on 11/21/2012 11:18:33 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: rhema

Will Catholics allow fellow Catholics or even themselves to Practice Catholicism? NO.

Most of them voted for Obama. ‘Nuff said.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 11:43:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: MrChips

If we must suffer, so be it.


24 posted on 11/21/2012 11:45:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, most of them voted for Romney.

There are many good and wise non-Catholics supporting the Church in this. God bless them!


25 posted on 11/21/2012 11:56:40 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The faithful Catholics supported Romney; the poseurs supported Obama.

[CatholicVote.org] The Catholic vote cannot be understood correctly without defining what we mean by “Catholic.” And since 2000, intelligent political observers agree that the best way to measure the Catholic vote is to break up the generic “Catholic vote” into those that regularly attend Mass (active Catholics) and those that do not regularly attend Mass (inactive Catholics).

So what happened in 2012? Here are the facts: Active Catholics accounted for 11% of the electorate in 2012 and voted 57-42 for Mitt Romney over President Obama. This represents a 14-point swing from 2008.

Inactive Catholics represented 13% of the electorate and voted 56-42 for President Obama.

26 posted on 11/21/2012 11:58:08 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: D-fendr

See post 26 re the votes of faithful Catholics vs. CINOs.


27 posted on 11/21/2012 11:59:50 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: MrChips

“Sure, we can practice it . . . in our jail cells.”

Then we will have fine company.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 12:02:39 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: rhema

RE: Here are the facts: Active Catholics accounted for 11% of the electorate in 2012 and voted 57-42 for Mitt Romney over President Obama. This represents a 14-point swing from 2008.

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We have about 120 Million people who voted in 2012.

If Active Catholics are 11% of this, that would make 13 Million Active Catholics who voted.

42% of 13 million is 5.5 Million VOTES !! Obama won by just over 3 million votes.

5.5. million votes would have been more than enough to defeat Obama.

That also means enough ACTIVE Catholics voted for a baby-killing supporting, gay marriage supporting, contraceptive and abotificent supporting President, who wants a law to force Catholics to PAY for these, to give him a second term.

How many of these active Catholics are going to repent in ragged clothes and ashes for what they are doing to the church?


29 posted on 11/21/2012 12:19:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rhema

Sorry but...

The Catholics should have voted against Obama.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 12:27:40 PM PST by RedMonqey (America: It was a good run.)
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To: rhema
"This is the clear teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas, who writes that 'human law is law inasmuch as it is in conformity with right reason and thus derives from the eternal law,"

The idea went back further into antiquity, but 800 years ago it was reintroduced to the western mind.

By the era of our founding, "natural rights" were an established principle of political science. It achieved its pinnacle in our Declaration of Independence.

Today, the popular, barbaric culture would have us believe there is no such thing as natural rights, or that the purpose of government is to secure them for the people.

31 posted on 11/21/2012 12:29:13 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: SeekAndFind
A lot of people who call themselves Christians have a lot of repenting to do.

Evangelical turnout A national post-election survey commissioned by the Faith and Freedom Coalition last night found that the evangelical vote increased in 2012 to a record 27% of the electorate and that white evangelicals voted roughly 78% for Mitt Romney to 21% for Barack Obama. This was the highest share of the vote in modern political history for evangelicals, Reed said.

“Evangelicals turned out in record numbers and voted as heavily for Mitt Romney yesterday as they did for George W. Bush in 2004,” Reed observed. “That is an astonishing outcome that few would have predicted even a few months ago. But Romney underperformed with younger voters and minorities and that in the end made the difference for Obama.”

Catholic voters who regularly attend Mass broke 67% for Romney to 32% for Obama. This represented a swing of 35% in the direction of the GOP since 2008. Romney also won white Catholics by a margin of 59% to 40%, a margin of 19 points among a group that historically has voted for the winner. Nevertheless, Obama narrowly won the Catholic vote driven largely by over-performing among Hispanic Catholics.

This poll shows faithful Catholics breaking 67-32 for Romney.

If I'm doing the math right, 21 percent of the evangelical vote (which was 27 percent of all voters) is 6.8 million. Those defectors also more than supplied Obama with his margin of victory.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 12:36:41 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Sorry but...

The Catholics should have voted against Obama.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 12:36:44 PM PST by RedMonqey (America: It was a good run.)
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To: rhema

RE: A national post-election survey commissioned by the Faith and Freedom Coalition last night found that the evangelical vote increased in 2012 to a record 27% of the electorate and that white evangelicals voted roughly 78% for Mitt Romney to 21% for Barack Obama. This was the highest share of the vote in modern political history for evangelicals, Reed said.

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OK, let’s do some calculations.

27% of the approximately 120 million votes is 32.4 million votes !!

21% of 32.4 million (that’s the percentage of Evangelicals who voted Obama ) is : 6.8 Million votes !!

Obama won by just over 3 million votes !!.

That means a lot of evangelicals (nearly 7 million ) voted for a president who supports gay marriage and refuses to protect babies born alive.

How can they live with themselves and their votes?


34 posted on 11/21/2012 12:47:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rhema

Perhaps if we informed Obama and his MSM cheerleaders, that Islam opposes abortion, they’d be forced to stop and reconsider?


35 posted on 11/21/2012 12:53:09 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: RedMonqey
See post 32. The faithful Catholics did vote for Obama, albeit in not as high a margin (67-32) as white evangelical voters (78-21). The poseur "Catholics" and the Hispanic Catholics (for whom immigration apparently trumped life and religious freedom) provided the Obama edge among everyone who's lumped under the "Catholic" rubric.
36 posted on 11/21/2012 12:53:13 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind
That means a lot of evangelicals (nearly 7 million ) voted for a president who supports gay marriage and refuses to protect babies born alive. How can they live with themselves and their votes?

They're not only quislings on moral issues, they're lamentably ignorant. If those so-called evangelicals thought economic issues or national defense issues weighed in Obama's favor (and outweighed moral issues), they must be getting their news from NBC.

37 posted on 11/21/2012 12:59:45 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: RedMonqey
Correction to post 36:

See post 32. The faithful Catholics did vote for Romney, albeit in not as high a margin (67-32) as white evangelical voters (78-21). The poseur "Catholics" and the Hispanic Catholics (for whom immigration apparently trumped life and religious freedom) provided the Obama edge among everyone who's lumped under the "Catholic" rubric.

38 posted on 11/21/2012 1:05:04 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

If liberal Democrats can legally obfuscate over what the meaning of “is” is, then the Catholic Church can certainly practice what they preach while calling it something else.


39 posted on 11/21/2012 1:11:29 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: rhema; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Exempted from Obamacare are Muslims, Amish, Christian Scientists because they have a moral conflict with insurance. .
40 posted on 11/21/2012 1:38:28 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: agere_contra

Precisely. Remember the same voice that called the universe into creation in the first place, the voice from the one who can neither deceive nor be deceived, this same voice, the voice of Jesus Christ said of the Church, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it’.

We may be facing a trial or persecution, but looking at our history, we should be used to that. We know how this all ends. Take comfort, keep the faith, fight the good fight. In the end, whenver that is; We Win. They don’t call it the Church Militant for nothing.


41 posted on 11/21/2012 2:19:53 PM PST by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: rarestia

Keep in mind Muslims are exempt from Obamacare because paying for health insurance is against their religion. However- there are Muslims who work for their employer and they pay a portion towards their health insurance, like at my work. How is payment of that portion not against their religion?


42 posted on 11/21/2012 6:37:46 PM PST by Engedi
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To: rhema

Better men than you have tried and failed, Junior. Good luck with that.


43 posted on 11/21/2012 7:01:02 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: NYer

How about if all Christian faiths declare that 0bamacare violates their religion? I’m quite confident there are some Protestant groups who would do this. Would that immediately give them an exemption?

What about conservative atheists? (Yes, they exist. I know some.) If I were an atheist, I’d be inclined to make up a religion which forbade 0bamacare and then I would claim an exemption. I’ve known people who got themselves “ordained” by various fringe groups and this was enough in the eyes of the law for them to perform marriages.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 5:08:08 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally
How about if all Christian faiths declare that 0bamacare violates their religion? I’m quite confident there are some Protestant groups who would do this. Would that immediately give them an exemption?

There is already a movement in the christian community to address this problem.

Churches must understand that the HHS mandate is not just a Catholic issue. While the Catholic Church is particularly in the crosshairs because of its religious beliefs against contraception, the HHS mandate specifically requires coverage of more than just contraceptive drugs. It also requires coverage of abortion-inducing drugs that every evangelical Christian should oppose.
What Does The Obamacare Ruling Mean For Churches?

From the Catholic Church perspective:

More Background

On January 20, 2012, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) reaffirmed a rule forcing virtually all private health care plans to cover sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception. These are listed among "preventive services for women" that all health plans will have to cover without co-pays or other cost-sharing -- regardless of whether the insurer, the employer or other plan sponsor, or even the woman herself objects to such coverage.

The exemption provided for "religious employers" was so narrow that it failed to cover the vast majority of faith-based organizations—including Catholic hospitals, universities, and charities—that help millions every year. Ironically, not even Jesus and his disciples would have qualified for the exemption, because it excludes those who mainly serve people of another faith.
Conscience Protection

It's a complex issue.

45 posted on 11/22/2012 7:15:48 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: rhema

Catholics (like me) believe that an unborn child has a life and a soul in the same sense that every human being has life and a soul. Consequently, the Catholic Church can no more condone abortion than it could The Holocaust. Is there a middle ground? Was there a middle ground wherein one can condone the killing of only, say, three million Jews?


46 posted on 11/22/2012 8:32:12 AM PST by Inwoodian
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