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Retired Marine Shoots Home Intruder During Break-In (OK)
guns.com ^ | 14 November, 2012 | dabneybailey

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:22:00 AM PST by marktwain

If you’re a thief, there are a couple of warning signs that you should watch out for. A dog bowl and a leash in the front yard would tip you off that you’re probably going to get bitten. A sign that reads, “Trespassers will be shot!” is pretty self-explanatory.

The home of 77-year-old Lloyd McCarty is similarly filled with warning signs. He flies an American flag on the front porch, he has a U.S. Marine Corps patch tacked to the wall, and he also keeps a framed picture of himself in his glory day as a Marine. If the home invader had noticed these clues then maybe he would have picked another house to rob.

According to reports, McCarty heard a knock on his door – a knock so light that it was suspicious -- on Nov. 10. The shrewd veteran retrieved his .32-caliber pistol just in time to encounter the home invader breaking down his front door. With the casual devil-may-care attitude that only a war veteran can have, McCarty said, “He hit (the door) that hard and when he hit it that hard that's when I shot the door. He went to a hollerin' and screamin'. I could hear him going clear down the street hollerin." He added, “Well, maybe I shoulda shot two or three times.”

So, what happened to the would-be thief? He learned the hard way that even 77-year-old Marine veterans still have some fight left. The bullet struck the home intruder in the abdomen, forcing him to flee the scene. Police caught up to the culprit and arrested him.

This story went exactly the way it should have gone – McCarty defended his home and his wife, and the police caught the bad guy. There really isn’t much room for argument here. What we can chat about, though, is the whole issue of warning signs.

Flying an American flag on your front porch isn’t the same thing as saying, “We have a gun and we’re willing to use it,” but it isn’t that far off.

Every gun owner has the opportunity to warn would-be thieves. Putting a sign that reads “I’m a lifetime member of the NRA” on your front lawn may very well scare off thieves, but on the other side of the coin having lots of signs on your property typically doesn’t look very nice.

What about our readers? Can thieves look at your house and immediately know that they’re going to get shot if they try anything stupid? If you do show any warning signs on your property (even subtle ones like an American flag), why do you do it? And for the other gun owners out there, what’s stopping you from putting up a “Trespassers will be shot” sign?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; homeinvasion; ok
The criminal lived. Maybe he will learn, but I hope he learns to give up crime rather than to be more careful about it.
1 posted on 11/22/2012 4:22:07 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
"...He went to a hollerin' and screamin'. I could hear him going clear down the street hollerin." He added, “Well, maybe I shoulda shot two or three times...”

Thanks for a great laugh!!

Happy Thanksgiving!!

2 posted on 11/22/2012 4:27:08 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: marktwain

When someone knows that you are in your home and they break down the door,it has to be assumed that they do not mind hurting or killing you.

In that case firing 2 or 3 times is definitely called for, shoot until the yelling stops.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 4:34:38 AM PST by Venturer
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To: marktwain
Flying an American flag on your front porch isn’t the same thing as saying, “We have a gun and we’re willing to use it,” but it isn’t that far off.

These days I prefer flying a gadsden flag. The message is much clearer.

4 posted on 11/22/2012 4:37:27 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: marktwain
that's when I shot the door.

My first reaction was that wasn't very smart since now he's got to fix the door. But after I gave it more thought I decided it was better than allowing the guy to enter the house THEN shooting him since a dead body is very heavy to drag and blood is hard to get out of the carpeting........

5 posted on 11/22/2012 4:42:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: marktwain
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6 posted on 11/22/2012 4:43:12 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: Fzob
"These days I prefer flying a gadsden flag. The message is much clearer

Mine is the Bedford flag. The meaning may be a bit more obscure to most, but those who get it, get it.


7 posted on 11/22/2012 4:48:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain
Putting a sign that reads “I’m a lifetime member of the NRA” on your front lawn may very well scare off thieves,

It may also say "I have lots of guns. Stake out my house and break in while I'm away."

8 posted on 11/22/2012 4:48:22 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo; marktwain

It may also say “I have lots of guns. Stake out my house and break in while I’m away.”>>>>>>>>>>>

As a matter of fact , I was taking all of my guns to my hunting camp and while crossing a lake on the way, the dog got to jumping around and the boat tipped, and not having my guns tied into the gunnels, I lost every gun I owned.HORRIBLE.

Now I have sold all my ammo too. All I have left is a baseball bat and a Scottish sword ;-)


9 posted on 11/22/2012 5:06:23 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Venturer
In that case firing 2 or 3 times is definitely called for, shoot until the yelling stops.

Some years ago I took some private self-defense lessons from an NRA instructor. One of the things he told me was that you continue shooting until the perp drops to the ground. Then absolutely no more since if you do, the justice system will nail your hide to the wall.

Here, the homeowner could not see what was going on behind the door but I think he should have fired more than once to be sure the threat was neutralized.

10 posted on 11/22/2012 5:24:10 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Candor7
and a Scottish sword

A claymore? A nasty piece of steel that.

11 posted on 11/22/2012 5:27:54 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ('Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own...)
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To: marktwain

A .32 pistol.Not a proper weapon for a Marine.He defended himself but the perp survived.


12 posted on 11/22/2012 5:44:06 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Hot Tabasco

First hold the perp at gunpoint,then order him to step onto the blue plastic tarp.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 5:46:32 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks, Never heard of the Bedford flag. Interesting history.

Vince Aut Morire (”Conquer Or Die”) is a pretty direct message, although I doubt your average thug knows much Latin or even cares to look it up like I did. (I took Latin 35 years ago and remember enough to only embarrass myself)


14 posted on 11/22/2012 5:52:53 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Fzob

Yep. Hard to find a good repro, so I started making my own :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2909162/posts


15 posted on 11/22/2012 6:10:17 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Farmer Dean
"A .32 pistol.Not a proper weapon for a Marine.He defended himself but the perp survived."

He's 77. If he's arthritic and has problems with recoil, a .32 may be his optimum choice. The article didn't go into a lot of detail about the weapon, but sometimes things are not quite what they seem. The .327 Federal Magnum is not your grandfather's .32....

16 posted on 11/22/2012 6:14:43 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Fzob

The average criminal has no clue what a gadsden flag might mean.


17 posted on 11/22/2012 6:56:22 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Yo-Yo

You know it.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 7:00:11 AM PST by Ladysmith (Every time another lib loses its job, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Venturer

Idiot probably knew an old man lived there and chose the house accordingly.

But, once a marine, always a marine.


19 posted on 11/22/2012 7:02:56 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: marktwain

Any chance this was a groin shot and the damned fool can be removed from the gene pool? One hopes.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 7:25:25 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Islander7; marktwain

Me, too!!

Made my mornin’! Many blessings.


21 posted on 11/22/2012 7:37:23 AM PST by wizr (Keep the Faith!)
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To: marktwain

Other details:

Muskogee, Oklahoma

He is a disabled vet, of the 8th Rifle Company, USMC. (I’m a little puzzled about this, not being very familiar with the historical task org of the Marines.)

http://muskogeephoenix.com/local/x2082770505/Hospitalized-teen-to-be-jailed

A Muskogee man shot during an alleged home invasion will be jailed when he is released from the hospital, a police spokesman said.

Muskogee police say R’Mont’e Nelson, 18, was attempting to kick in the door of a home in the 600 block of Kankakee Street on Saturday when the homeowner fired one shot through the front door.

Cpl. Pedro Zardeneta said officers arrived to the location of the shooting and eventually found Nelson nearby, staggering and clutching his stomach.

Nelson was hospitalized with a gun-shot to the abdomen, Zardeneta said, though he’s not facing life-threatening injuries.


22 posted on 11/22/2012 7:50:35 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: marktwain

Semi happy ending. Love these stories.


23 posted on 11/22/2012 7:53:02 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: HotHunt

Priceless!


24 posted on 11/22/2012 8:08:06 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: marktwain

As a Marine veteran I am embarrassed that used a puny .32. He needs to upgrade to a .45.


25 posted on 11/22/2012 8:28:56 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Muskogee police say R’Mont’e Nelson, 18, was attempting to kick in the door of a home [...]

Those Oklahomans sure do have funny-sounding names, don't they?

Regards,

26 posted on 11/22/2012 9:50:22 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Thanks for your service.


27 posted on 11/22/2012 9:50:31 AM PST by marktwain
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Nelson was hospitalized with a gun-shot to the abdomen, Zardeneta said, though he’s not facing life-threatening injuries.

A gut shot can result in peritonitis and a painful death if the surgeon isn't extra careful.

Hey Doc, how about saving the taxpayers some money?

28 posted on 11/22/2012 9:59:26 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: SVTCobra03

I’m surprised that a .32 could go through a door.


29 posted on 11/22/2012 10:08:15 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: marktwain

When you join NRA, they send you stickers. I put one on the front and back doors.


30 posted on 11/22/2012 10:31:58 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Hot Tabasco
My first reaction was that wasn't very smart since now he's got to fix the door.

I recently used wood putty on a hole in an insulated steel door and sanded it level before repainting. Worked great! Whereas, as you say, carpet stains just never come out completely.

31 posted on 11/22/2012 10:34:54 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Fzob

” I doubt your average thug knows much Latin or even cares to look it up like I did.”

Considering how many of ‘em are named Demetrius, Octavius or Cletus, maybe they should;)


32 posted on 11/22/2012 10:51:49 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

A claymore? A nasty piece of steel that.>>>

Yep, from the hand of Rob Miller.

http://www.castlekeep.co.uk/gallery.asp?galleryid=199

http://www.castlekeep.co.uk/pagex.asp?bioid=36773


33 posted on 11/22/2012 2:39:22 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:)
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To: marktwain

My parcel is 10+ acres and my signs say things like, WARNING: Owner will not be held responsible for trespassers shot in “hunting accidents”.


34 posted on 11/22/2012 2:44:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: marktwain
And for the other gun owners out there, what’s stopping you from putting up a “Trespassers will be shot” sign?

Even in a Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground state, putting up such a sign is just asking for trouble if you're involved in an actual self-defense shooting.

Now a "Beware of Zombie/Trespassers Will Be Eaten" sign would get the message across, but could be plausibly defended as a gag.

35 posted on 11/22/2012 3:03:55 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Farmer Dean
First hold the perp at gunpoint,then order him to step onto the blue plastic tarp.

Now, that's cold. That's really cold.

≤}B^)

36 posted on 11/22/2012 5:12:11 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: marktwain
The criminal lived. Maybe he will learn,

Law suits usually follow, but lucky for the marine he lives in Oklahoma.

37 posted on 11/23/2012 2:09:47 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Albion Wilde

So what caliber was the hole in the door? Just pulling your leg.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 9:20:43 PM PST by Redcitizen (A good pun is its own reword.)
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To: Redcitizen
So what caliber was the hole in the door? Just pulling your leg.

LOL! Thank goodness you weren't pulling my finger!

39 posted on 11/24/2012 9:28:06 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Albion Wilde

Haha!


40 posted on 11/24/2012 9:55:02 PM PST by Redcitizen (A good pun is its own reword.)
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To: All

While one of you is getting the gun, or if you don’t have fire arms........................

This is part of an email I received from a friend:

“Put your car keys beside your bed at night.Tell your spouse, your children, your neighbors, your parents, your Dr’s office, the check-out girl at the market, everyone you run across.

Put your car keys beside your bed at night. If you hear a noise outside your home or someone trying to get in your house, just press the panic button for your car. The alarm will be set off, and the horn will continue to sound until either you turn it off or the car battery dies.This tip came from a neighborhood watch coordinator.”

I can’t believe I never thought of it before. Women, who keep their car keys in their purse, might want to keep their purse in their bedroom.


41 posted on 12/30/2012 1:25:37 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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