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Chambliss latest US Republican to break with anti-tax lobbyist
reuters ^ | 11/24/2012 | Kim Dixon

Posted on 11/24/2012 4:48:30 AM PST by tobyhill

U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss this week became the latest Republican lawmaker to loosen his ties to Grover Norquist, the anti-tax lobbyist famous for getting elected officials to sign a "taxpayer protection pledge."

The rebellion, albeit a modest one, comes as Republicans prepare to negotiate with Democrats and President Barack Obama on a deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff - some $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts set to start jolting the economy at the beginning of 2013.

"I care more about this country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge," Chambliss told Georgia television station WMAZ on Thursday. "If we do it his way, then we'll continue in debt, and I just have a disagreement with him about that."

Chambliss, who represents Georgia, is a member of the so-called Gang of Eight group of senators, a bipartisan alliance working for deficit reduction, formed last year when the country was on the verge of default thanks to a partisan battle over raising the country's borrowing limit.

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On Jan 2, taxes on EVERYONE will go up so all these RINOs are doing is agreeing with the inevitable.

If the GOP will just shut their mouths and do nothing then the collapse of our economy will fall directly on the Rats and Obama. Let the taxes increase on everyone, don't pass a budget, don't pass a CR, don't raise the debt ceiling, etc. SHUT 'ER DOWN!

1 posted on 11/24/2012 4:48:39 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Let’s vote this jerk OUT! The country is going to hell and he’s going to raise taxes even higher!?????????


2 posted on 11/24/2012 4:54:13 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: faithhopecharity
The American Idiots voted for higher taxes so let's give it to them, ALL of them. Do nothing and let the Bush Tax Cuts expire for ALL and then the High Tax RINOs are off the hook and it falls right on the Rats and Obama.
If the GOP starts negotiating then they put themselves as the fall guys when the collapse happens.
3 posted on 11/24/2012 4:59:07 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Yes, but you forget who controls the media and who calls the villains out. White men are the new whipping boy and have been tied to the republican party.

Who is looking out for WM? I demand equal rights. It is all lip service. WM still rule. They are the puppet masters.

4 posted on 11/24/2012 5:07:44 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: tobyhill
Chambless is engaging in brain ausfahrten ~ he imagines you can collect enough taxes to reduce debt.

Actually, if the government confiscated all the income and property of the rich, we'd still be running deficits.

What we need to do is cut the expenditures and expenses of the federal government ~

5 posted on 11/24/2012 5:17:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
Maybe so but all the GOP has to do is keep repeating, “Ok, Obama and the Democrats, you got your tax increase on the wealthy”.
Freebies and tax increases is all the Rats really ran on so do nothing and let them figure the math out. The election isn't until another 2 years so if the GOP shuts it down now then the Rats will have to come begging and will give the GOP anything they want. Time IS on the Republican’s side.
6 posted on 11/24/2012 5:18:05 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

In the past several years there has not been one peep about the FACT that reduced taxes result in increased revenue.

Even JFK reduced taxes and got more revenue.

Libtards are already on the back side of the Laffer curve and looking to go farther.


7 posted on 11/24/2012 5:34:00 AM PST by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: tobyhill
"Time IS on the Republican’s side"

No. It isn't. Inaction is no solution. Obama is nothing if not Fabian. He seeks the total destruction of American representative democracy. He will accomplish that by wrecking the economy that maintains it, via the fiscal cliff. Dictatorial rule by emergency decree awaits in the wings. Conservatives, Repubs, and capitalists are the 21st century "Juden," blamed for all of the country's ills; blame firmly affixed by Obama's handmaidens in the MSM. Fight or die.
8 posted on 11/24/2012 5:37:48 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: tobyhill
"Time IS on the Republican’s side"

No. It isn't. Inaction is no solution. Obama is nothing if not Fabian. He seeks the total destruction of American representative democracy. He will accomplish that by wrecking the economy that maintains it, via the fiscal cliff. Dictatorial rule by emergency decree awaits in the wings. Conservatives, Repubs, and capitalists are the 21st century "Juden," blamed for all of the country's ills; blame firmly affixed by Obama's handmaidens in the MSM. Fight or die.
9 posted on 11/24/2012 5:37:57 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: faithhopecharity
His switching positions on raising taxes proves, again, that the primary job of any politician, elected or appointed, is to stay in power.

His acts, IMHO, should become the poster for term limits at the Federal level.

10 posted on 11/24/2012 5:38:36 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: tobyhill

What else do you want to let Obama do? Shut down all drilling? Tax all white people for reparations? Offer free abortions to girls of all ages with a ban on parental notification? Let all the Gitmo detainees go? Let Iran get nukes? Appoint Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn to the Supreme Court?

If conservative activism now boils down to “let Obama do whatever he wants” then the movement is either dead or it’s as full of kooks as the liberals like to claim. Saying the GOP should roll over and let Obama do exactly what he wants is either stupid, crazy or spoken by a liberal plant pretending to be a conservative.

Not to mention what in the world makes you think the RINOs would vote to not raise the debt ceiling now, when they wouldn’t even do it when the Tea Party was pushing to not raise it in Obama’s first term?


11 posted on 11/24/2012 5:48:20 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: PowderMonkey
I believe time is on the Republican’s side and inaction is the only solution. The crash is inevitable and the quicker the GOP allows it to happen the quicker the GOP can force the solution.
That being said, it doesn't mean the fight isn't happening, only the tactics have changed.
12 posted on 11/24/2012 5:49:53 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: JediJones

First, I assure you, Mr. Jedi, that I’m not a “Liberal Plant”. That being said, how would you propose continuing the Bush Tax Cuts for ALL when they are set to expire for ALL?


13 posted on 11/24/2012 5:55:05 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Rush explained that Obama DOES want the fall off the cliff because it will enable him to accomplish a raise in taxes on the “Rich”, and cuts in the military both of which he campaigned on. And as a benefit Obama will blame it all on the Republicans. Obama will ‘come to he rescue’ of the middle class next Spring by reducing the tax to the previous Bush tax level.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 6:00:18 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
If that's where the bargaining begins then so be it. I keep hearing from the Lame Stream Media about how the last Government shutdown was detrimental for the GOP but I look at it a bit different.
My position is to just do nothing and force Obama to make the next move. The GOP is fighting a position where there is no fight right now. Taxes will go up and if Obama wants to sacrifice 98% of taxpayers for 2% to pay more then there is NOTHING that will stop it.
15 posted on 11/24/2012 6:13:32 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: muawiyah

Chambless is engaging in brain ausfahrten ~ he imagines you can collect enough taxes to reduce debt.
Actually, if the government confiscated all the income and property of the rich, we’d still be running deficits.

What we need to do is cut the expenditures and expenses of the federal government ~


The anticipated “revenue” from increasing the taxes on rich is around $80 billion. Obama spends $1.5 TRILLION PER YEAR MORE than what comes in as tax revenue to the federal government.

Math apparently is too difficult for Obutts to understand that taxing the rich does not mean balancing the books.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 6:16:52 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: Nip
This is a one party system. Aside from a few ideological differences, we keep moving toward a socialist, big brother government America.

NDAA, Patriot Act, War on Drugs, constant military engagements, higher taxes, government takeover of industry, open borders, monumental fiscal mismanagement, Overburdening EPA regs, TSA, DHS, militarization of local law enforcement, reckless monetary policy, trillion dollar deficits, illegals pouring into our country/voting in our elections...and on and on.

Whether republicans and or Dems are in the majority, we are losing our freedoms and liberties to a behemoth central government.

Just reported, State, local, federal taxes, levies, fees...the average American only realizes 50% of the income we work so hard for. The rest, goes to service various government agencies.

Goodbye America, it's been a nice ride.

17 posted on 11/24/2012 6:22:05 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: tobyhill

Can anyone explain what the republican solutions would be after the crash. What I have seen in the last 20 years is not encouraging. If the republicans had managed to take the senate and white house, is there anyone who really believes things would change?


18 posted on 11/24/2012 6:24:41 AM PST by nomobs
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To: nomobs

There isn’t one right now and that’s why they are fighting themselves.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 6:36:59 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Here is a glaring reason that the Republicans stand to lose every forthcoming election. They do not stand together!!! The Democrats ALWAYS stand together no matter how far apart their individual beliefs are. Their unity is the source of their power. Wise up Pubbies!


20 posted on 11/24/2012 6:44:18 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: tobyhill

Newsmax

Norquist Blasts Back after Chambliss Reneges on Pledge

Friday, November 23, 2012 07:12 PM

By: Sandy Fitzgerald and Greg McDonald

Conservative lobbyist Grover Norquist blasted back at a Republican senator on Friday for backing off his promise to oppose tax increases.

Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss said he has dumped his pledge to Norquist about the tax increases, telling a Macon television station he “more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge,” referring to the Taxpayer Protection Pledge he signed when he first ran for the Senate.

Norquist, who heads the conservative group Americans for Tax Reform, created the pledge, which nearly every Republican member of congress has signed.

In a statement to Newsmax, Norquist said, “Sen. Chambliss promised the people of Georgia he would go to Washington and reform government rather than raise taxes to pay for bigger government. He made that commitment in writing to the people of Georgia.

“If he plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Norquist-pledge-Chambliss-taxes/2012/11/23/id/465199


21 posted on 11/24/2012 6:53:38 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: tobyhill

A pledge is a pledge, loser, no matter how old it is. This guy is slime


22 posted on 11/24/2012 6:58:03 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PowderMonkey

I think that Congress should propose, and champion, a significant LOWERING of taxes now.

The economy is so fragile, it is obvious that lower taxes are a good prescription at this time

and this would utterly shake up the D-leadership scheme to finish destructing America and our jobs market


23 posted on 11/24/2012 7:05:10 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: nomobs

I actually contend that had Romney won, we would still be getting tax increases and the RINOs would be lined up spouting the same line as Chambliss about taxes.

A liberal is a liberal even if there is an (R)in front of their names and unfortunately we have a lot of them in the republican party and they control it with an iron fist.


24 posted on 11/24/2012 7:49:04 AM PST by sarge83
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To: tobyhill

Let us not forget that Republicans made this mess.

They had the votes to make the tax cuts permanent, but decided to make them temporary instead.

Let’s be honest, Democrats are what they are, but the GOP does not deserve one bit of cover for their gutlessness, duplicity, and malfeasance.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 7:54:42 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: faithhopecharity

The only thing that saved that RINO last time was a last minute rally at Gwinnett Civic Center with Sarah Palin and the big scare that if we didn’t vote for him the Dems would have a super majority. We will primary this guy in 2014.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 8:21:08 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: faithhopecharity
I think that Congress the States should propose, and champion, a significant LOWERING of taxes re-learning of the 9th and 10th by refusing to adhere to any laws, rules and/or regulations that 1) Do not come from Congress and 2) are based on their Article I Sec. 8 enumerated powers, now.

Fixed it for you
27 posted on 11/24/2012 8:52:35 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: tobyhill; JediJones

I vouch that Toby, who I have argued with for many years about various positions, is definitely NOT any type of liberal plant.


28 posted on 11/24/2012 10:04:26 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I do hope that he is primaried. The election is far away for voters with short memories, but we have to challenge politicians that always want to confiscate more because government MUST continue to increase its spending.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 10:06:32 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: i_robot73

Yes of course you make a good point! Meanwhile, let’s all. Tell these congress-critters that we need a major tax CUT to (applying their Keynesian ideas) “stimulate” the economy back into life! More taxes now equals an even worse recession for us all.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 10:13:01 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: AFPhys

Thank you and I think most our arguments is process arguments attempting to reach the same outcome, Conservative control and RINO Extinction.


31 posted on 11/24/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: All
I’ll make one clarification, before the GOP should do nothing, The House should pass the Bush Tax Cut Extension for ALL for at least 4 years and then tell Reid and Obama to take it or leave it.
32 posted on 11/24/2012 10:33:32 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
I agree completely. The problems that my employer will have (that may ultimately impact my job) pale in comparison to the rampant socialist spending that will end the America that led the world in free enterprise and saved the world from a couple of fatal threats.

The nice thing about getting this thing shut down now is that it forces the Senate to come begging for a deal. The House may still cave but that would just a bring about a TEA party resurgence in the R primaries in 2014.

33 posted on 11/24/2012 10:36:40 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: PowderMonkey
He will accomplish that by wrecking the economy that maintains it, via the fiscal cliff. Dictatorial rule by emergency decree awaits in the wings

I doubt it. He is much more likely to appeal to the media in a TARP-like vote for all the marbles. The more he can persuade the same stupid voters that reelected him that a few R House members are trying to "crash the economy", he will quickly change enough RINO votes to get his whole package passed. The past election proves he has no need to resort to emergency anything.

34 posted on 11/24/2012 10:40:17 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: servantboy777
Whether republicans and or Dems are in the majority, we are losing our freedoms and liberties to a behemoth central government.

Although you have to admit at least it would be a little slower under Romney/Ryan. The basic difference is that R/R understand that private enterprise has to exist to feed the beast whereas Obama (and especially his puppetmasters) want the beast to die with the result of the end of the age of America.

35 posted on 11/24/2012 10:44:24 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: tobyhill

They are all pretending they are real Republicans. Their souls are cheap these days.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 10:47:43 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: tobyhill

Georgia’s two senators, Chambliss and Isakson, were AWOL during the Obamacare disaster. They are both useless RINOs who are more interested in their own re-elections that what is good for America. “Johnny” just got another 6 yrs in 2010 but Saxby is up. It is time to defeat this useless and arrogant legislator.

It’s not the revenue folks. It’s the spending!


37 posted on 11/24/2012 11:59:35 AM PST by mort56
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To: faithhopecharity

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/11/24/grover-norquist%E2%80%99s-reply-to-saxby-chambliss-%E2%80%98his-promise-wasn%E2%80%99t-to-me%E2%80%99/

So it looks like we have a renewal of last year’s sniping between U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and originator of the no-tax-increase pledge that many Republicans – Chambliss among them – say will only aggravate a $16 trillion federal deficit.

Given the dearth of news on Thanksgiving Day, Chambliss’ comments on Norquist and his pledge, made to WMAZ in Macon, drew an inordinate amount of attention. Said Chambliss:

“I care more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge. If we do it his way then we’ll continue in debt, and I just have a disagreement with him about that.”

That kind of rebellious chatter could have an impact on negotiations between President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans that are set to begin in earnest on Monday. Late Friday, Norquist sent us this lengthy response:

Senator Chambliss promised the people of Georgia he would go to Washington and reform government rather than raise taxes to pay for bigger government. He made that commitment in writing to the people of Georgia.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 4:54:36 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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