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For 2016, Bush vs. Clinton
CNN ^ | 11-27 | LZ Granderson

Posted on 11/27/2012 9:16:01 AM PST by Arthurio

(CNN) -- For all of our post-2012 election talk about the changing culture, the changing demographics and, perhaps, a changing party, preliminary thoughts out of D.C. about the 2016 election have us headed toward not much change at all: Clinton vs Bush...again.

I am as intrigued by the prospects of these two juggernauts, Jeb and Hillary, locking ideological horns as I am repulsed by the thought of half of my life being dominated by two family names. One, Clinton, has risen from the ashes after the White House. The other name, Bush, is so toxic that the past two Republican nominees avoided saying it in public, opting instead to skip their combined 12 years in office and head straight back to Reagan.

Face it, Hillary has baggage but Jeb has Bush, and that, more so than his record as governor of Florida or ideas for the future, will determine, at least at the beginning, how he is received. That explains why more than a few conservatives were not thrilled to hear that he was thinking of running.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bush2016; clintonvsbush; hillary2016

1 posted on 11/27/2012 9:16:04 AM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Please, no.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 9:17:55 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Arthurio

Not just “no”, but “HELL no”.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 9:18:33 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Arthurio

I feel as if I am stuck in a perpetual cycle of Dejavu.

Nothing like waking up everyday, just to learn it’s still groundhog day.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 9:23:43 AM PST by Hedra (Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
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To: Arthurio

Wake me up when it’s 2020.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 9:26:38 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Arthurio

Oh good! Let’s double down on loosing candidates. Ford, Dole, Bush (1) McCain, and Romney. Gosh what this tells me that we need to get a rally good guy that is truly a known liberal so that no one can tell the difference between the the Democan and the Republocrat.. By God if they can be liberal then we really can be liberal.

When the hell are we going to learn. No matter what we do or say we will do, the press and the rest of the democratic party will still hate us and bash us and blame us and accuse us.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 9:27:39 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Arthurio
READ MY LIPS...NO NEW BUSHES!
7 posted on 11/27/2012 9:28:55 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: Arthurio

A nation of 300 million people and this is the best we can come up with? Good Lord, we are really worthless as a country.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 9:29:03 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Arthurio
Suggestion Box
9 posted on 11/27/2012 9:32:23 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Arthurio
This is from CNN

Of course the liberal media wants to pick a white male to run their communist/democrat against. Even better if it's a Bush who they have demonized. We have to stop letting the media and democrats pick the GOP candidate.

We need to run a woman or minority. The GOP has never run a non-white male for President. Anyone see how the media wants this, to pick another white male for the GOP? Palin, Ayotte, West are my picks.

This is at least the 5th article I've see on this site saying Jeb Bush , of course these articles are from the liberal media like CNN, NY times etc.

10 posted on 11/27/2012 9:32:40 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Arthurio

This is from CNN

Of course the liberal media wants to pick a white male to run their communist/democrat against. Even better if it’s a Bush who they have demonized. We have to stop letting the media and democrats pick the GOP candidate.

We need to run a woman or minority. The GOP has never run a non-white male for President. Anyone see how the media wants this, to pick another white male for the GOP? Palin,CAIN, Ayotte, West, then Rubio , Martinez are my picks.

This is at least the 5th article I’ve see on this site pushing Jeb Bush( In the past DAY) , of course these articles are from the liberal media like CNN, NY times etc. We see who the media want to run against. The media picked Mccain, Romney 2 white males while knocking out Palin,Bachman Cain


11 posted on 11/27/2012 9:34:45 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Arthurio

You forgot the Barf Alert. My breakfast!


12 posted on 11/27/2012 9:38:11 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Working is for suckers.)
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To: Arthurio

I have the results already. Bush loses!


13 posted on 11/27/2012 9:42:22 AM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: Arthurio

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Enough Bush Members in the White House!

MORE THAN ENOUGH clintins....

We need FRESH, YOUNG, NEW BLOOD FACES WITH NEW IDEAS AND LESS MOTHBALLS!!!!

I like the Bush Family but no, this is not a wise move.

I DO NOT CARE ONE IOTA for the clintins and in another four years I wouldn’t vote for her even if I was a Lib.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:09 AM PST by cubreporter
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To: Arthurio

This freeper doesn’t see us making it to 2016 with the outcome on Nov. 6th. World events will alter the U.S.A. and the world forever, we pray for the best.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:27 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Arthurio

One has disgraced herself helping her boss sell out American interests all around the world, while the other carries a name that has been (fairly or not) so badly smeared that he’s probably unelectable.
We have over 300 million citizens and even illegal aliens can be elected President nowadays.
Certainly our political system can come up with some different candidates than these!?


16 posted on 11/27/2012 9:51:50 AM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: Arthurio
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo! To both!

I am putting the establishment on notice. I WILL vote third party if they run Jeb. I have HAD it with the Bush's. Although they are a little more personable than libs, they are still establishment, get along types. And Miz Barbra trashed Sarah Palin.

I have HAD it with these dufusses.

vaudine

17 posted on 11/27/2012 10:04:27 AM PST by vaudine
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To: Gen.Blather

Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton? Its time for me to shoot myself.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 10:13:16 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Arthurio

Yeah, seen this game before. You will all fall in line after the primaries and carry water for whatever hack the establishment coronates at the convention because hitlery will be on the other ticket. Probably jeb because it’s “his turn.” Just like it was mitten’s turn and bobdole’s turn. I saw it happen here before. Nevermind that a...ahem...prominant poster here called W a coke head and would never support him. How did that turn out? Take a look at how many people here said last year that they would never vote for that damned liberal morman but are still making excuses for him today.

Maybe not all of you will be jeb hacks, but I’ll bet most will.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 10:25:12 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Arthurio
Oh, the state run media; at it again! No and we know how Jeb would govern. He basically ran GW’s 2nd term. Hello. He governed in Florida as a conservative (at that time, he was popular) But then he became cozy with the teachers unions after trying to fight them. He was just like GW and Rove. Try to make your enemies like you. To heck with that-do your damn job for the people. (Excuse my language)>
20 posted on 11/27/2012 10:33:47 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. .Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Arthurio

Good year to go Galt during election season...


21 posted on 11/27/2012 10:37:22 AM PST by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: Arthurio
It's Jeb’s “turn”. The election will go just like this year's. People on this forum who say they won't vote for Jeb, will certainly do that just like they voted for Romney. That was,”You have to vote for liberal Romney because he's better than Hussein, and if you don't vote for Romney you are a traitor.”

Jeb is also married to an Hispanic. 2016 will be, “Vote for liberal Jeb (he's married to an Hispanic, hurray!) because he's better than Hillary and if you don't vote for Jeb you are a traitor.”

Jeb will lose, then the next liberal R will run the next time and lose.

I don't think there will be a conservative ever again in the White House.

22 posted on 11/27/2012 10:38:04 AM PST by Marcella (When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Don't do that.

They are not worth, giving up. We all have to stick together. I think someone needs to design a secret code and a place to meet up :) Things in our government have been insane for so long!

23 posted on 11/27/2012 10:45:47 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. .Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Democrat_media

“We need to run a woman or minority.”

Sorry, Republicans are not going to win until they get this racism thing figured out.

We can see what they did to West, right? and to Palin, Judge Thomas, that they don’t appreciate our Rice, Powell, going back to Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Republicans are not a party of sexism & racism. Geeze, they wouldn’t even show peilberg’s “Lincoln” before the election for fear that some might dare relate freeing the slaves with republicans.

STOP!

WE have to inform our opinions as best as possible. THis is no ordinary struggle between parties. CNN is FOS and we are silly to take notice of anything they say.

Hillary is projected already as the winner of 2016 by horrified people in the know.

She oversaw the murder of one of her own while on the job and is a viable candidate.

This is what we’re up against.

Pandering and scraping for forgiveness of our racism is going to only incur more condemnation.

Ron Paul is doing this. So is the entire GOP senate and they’re stupid.

Can we stop it? It’s not the 1960s. Republicans can stop being loathesome of. . .Conservatives. That would be a start on the way out of this takeover.


24 posted on 11/27/2012 10:50:21 AM PST by stanne
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To: Arthurio

First - What makes you think there will be Presidential Elections in 2016?

Second - If there are, why would you want a candidate indistinguishable from the opposition?


25 posted on 11/27/2012 10:50:35 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Gen.Blather

For Clinton to run, she’ll have to beat one of the Obamas. For Bush to run would mean the likely emergence of a third party.

And none of the above four would get my vote.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 10:51:58 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Arthurio

How could those two “lock ideological horns?” Both are big government promoters. She is just a little more openly “socialist” about and h is a nicer guy, not something over which to choose a ruler.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 10:54:04 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Arthurio

PUKE!!


28 posted on 11/27/2012 10:54:38 AM PST by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: Marcella; All
We HAVE to run a woman or minority for the GOP president in 2012. The media Savagely attacks any Republican woman or minority because the MEDIA wants the GOP to be seen as only for white men and racist, woman hating, etc. the GOP has only run white males for President as the media has knocked out Palin, Cain, Bachmann etc.

The media wants us talking Jeb Bush. I say let's talk Kelly Ayotte

My choices for President:

1.Sarah Palin
2. Kelly Ayotte
3. Cain
4. Nikki Haley
5. Bachmann
6. Susana Martinez
7. Marco Rubio
8. Janice Rogers Brown

We have to pick from one of these . Insane to pick another white male . the blacks see this , the Hispanics see this , the women see this so then the media brainwashing kicks in “Yeah Republicans must be racists”

Kelly Ayotte = very conservative Republican Senator:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEs4At8K5JM&feature=relmfu

29 posted on 11/27/2012 10:57:11 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Democrat_media

-> Nikki Haley

Would be another Romney..


30 posted on 11/27/2012 11:00:15 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. .Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Christie at the beach; All
I'd Pick Nikki Haley over any communist/democrat and we should all too unless we want to be slaves of the government as democrats want to make us. Notice Haley was not my first choice though. My point is that we CANNOT run another white male as that would just be giving the country over to democrats/socialism/tyrrany. Many on this site don't see the danger we are in from the media and democrat evil. The first goal is to stop democrats and the media. Does Kelly Ayotte meet your standards then Kelly Ayotte = very conservative Republican Senator:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEs4At8K5JM&feature=relmfu

31 posted on 11/27/2012 11:06:44 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: stanne
Hillary is projected already as the winner of 2016 by horrified people in the know.

Being paranoid about a worn out, has-been, coattail rider is no way to go through life, friend.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 11:12:10 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Hey, I’m on your side.

Being in denial about what’s happening around us - look at who just got in - is no way to go.

The photo of BHO bowing to foreign dignitaries is a multitude more horrifying than this photo.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 11:16:04 AM PST by stanne
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To: Democrat_media; All

Missed one:

9. Allen West

No more white males for the GOP as they have never run a woman, or minority for President ever. Think people don’t notice (it’s as the media wants).


34 posted on 11/27/2012 11:16:38 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: George from New England

This freeper doesn’t see us making it to 2016 with the outcome on Nov. 6th. World events will alter the U.S.A. and the world forever, we pray for the best.

**
Ditto


35 posted on 11/27/2012 11:16:54 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Arthurio

I don’t know how much weight this Granderson person has with the GOP, but if we get another Bushie I’ll be convinced the GOP has convinced itself it will never have another President.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 11:55:43 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Wrong—it will be Obama’s Third Term (we will end the limit by executive decree) and the Democrats will make sure the GOP will pick someone who can’t win. Sarah Palin and Ron Paul!


37 posted on 11/27/2012 12:00:15 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: stanne
Hey, I’m on your side. Being in denial about what’s happening around us - look at who just got in - is no way to go.

I'm not in denial - I'm being realistic.

Hillary is simply too old and worn out to be electable. I'm sure if she announced she was running, she'd get the support of some of the 'grey ponytail' crowd, but she's ancient history to Dems in their 40s, 30s, and 20s. She was First Lady when a lot of those folks were in grade school.

A lot of Dems over 50 will probably roll their eyes demand a candidate who stands a real chance of beating the Republican (who we hope will be a dynamic and outspoken conservative). They're not going to be energized and enthused by a Hillary candidacy - again, because she's way past her sell-by date on the national stage.

Don't forget, that after January 2013, she's going to spend four years out of the limelight. How's she supposed to keep herself well positioned for a run at the presidency while she's out of office?

By 2016, Hillary will be old enough to be a great-grandmother. After eight thrilling years of their golden prince, Obama, do you really think they'll be falling over themselves to support an ancient hag for president? I don't.

38 posted on 11/27/2012 12:11:47 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Arthurio

Isn’t it obvious now that it doesn’t matter what you or I might want? The Demicans will nominate whom they wish and we will be stuck with the bill. Pick up a copy of Hillaire Belloc’s Crisis of Civilization. It’s not very lengthy but it’s packed with usable truth


39 posted on 11/27/2012 12:35:22 PM PST by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: Arthurio

for 1992 its Bush vs. Clinton


40 posted on 11/27/2012 12:39:25 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Windflier

Underestimate the beast at our peril. She is favored among people who don’t want to see her do this but who have better arguments for than yours against.

But that aside, and let’s put it aside as it is most unpleasant, to use one of their arguments (that they lament making), who, among these horrible wimpy excuses for defenders of the Constitution, do the Republicans have to run against her?

There is no strong candidate, personality, character nor politician among them. Every one of them has been groveling to be forgiven for being a racist who hates Mexicans.

that’s going to beat any one they sed up? After what we just saw?


41 posted on 11/27/2012 2:46:36 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
...who, among these horrible wimpy excuses for defenders of the Constitution, do the Republicans have to run against her?

There is no strong candidate, personality, character nor politician among them.


Oh, but there is...



42 posted on 11/27/2012 2:59:13 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Well, now. Opposition. A very good start.


43 posted on 11/27/2012 4:44:41 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
The media paints the GOP Of being only of white men. This is why the media smeared Palin ,West, Cain ,Bachmann so savagely.The media know that Palin, Nikki haley, Cain,West etc anyone of them running will break the media LIE that says that GOP is only of and for white men. The media can't have this so they tried to smear any Republican woman or minority.Running a white male again will play right into the media hands and is no way to win. EVERY single Republican presidential candidate has been a white male and any of you don't see the problem and how we are playing into the evil media's hands ( and an old white male , usually a rich old white male and no one sees the problem here hello mcfly???

Governor Nikki Haley is a woman and a minority. I wish she would run

44 posted on 11/27/2012 4:46:53 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Democrat_media

Running anyone who cares what they think will sink it. A white man who is comfortable in his non racial nature/character can do it. He has to be above it,same as any woman or person of color. They slammed Thomas, Powell, when he worked for Bush I, Condi Rice, and look what they’ve done to West.
No they are racist and simply are good at projecting. The dopes who take the bait are done.


45 posted on 11/27/2012 5:01:00 PM PST by stanne
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