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To: patriot08; PraiseTheLord; MinorityRepublican; Mortrey; Strategerist; muawiyah; ...
The Republicans actually DID win - it is just the >>VOTE FRAUD<< that makes it look like they didn’t. If you don’t SEE THE VOTE FRAUD - you ARE NOT LOOKING ! ( and people have spelled out how and where the VOTE FRAUD - lots of links —— it is there for the seeing. Soros calculated just how many and where was needed - picking the right swing states, the right districts like crooked black philadelphia etc etc

Not trying to start an argument (Patriot08 and PraisetheLord), but I have to ask - if there was such massive (and documented) fraud, then why didn't Romney say a word about it? What about the rest of the GOP - why did they also keep quiet? What about the few remaining conservative Supreme Court Justices? That silence makes the fraud argument seem Truther-esque.

As I said on another thread yesterday, I would fight in court for a parking ticket that was given to me unfairly. A parking ticket.

Yet I am to believe the most powerful country in the world just experienced massive poll rigging, and the only people who know about it are a few on internet fora and some radio shows? That the Dems steamrolled the electoral process, and the whole GOP couldn't find ONE person of national note to say something - anything? (Even Col. West would only say “I don’t want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic.")

I am sorry Patriot08, but it doesn't look like Romney lost because there was fraud (not that fraud didn't exist, but that it was not the main, or even a major, reason why he lost). However, let's assume for a moment you are right. That the reason Romney lost was not because he ran a poor campaign, or the failures of his ORCA GOTV system, or the fact that he could not tap into part of the conservative base, or that he couldn't sway independents, or couldn't sway the minority vote that really came out in this election, or he couldn't sway the youth vote that went heavily into the Dem camp, or that he couldn't sway the unmarried female vote at all. Or, how he run as a moderate when that was read as being Obama-lite; or how the media hammered him; or how the Republican Primaries had all these GOP contestants hammering each other to death and doing Obama's work for him months before the elections; or how he refused to hammer Obama in the same manner he hammered Gingrich/Perry/etc (Romney really let some good opportunities to draw blood disappear, eg Benghazi).

Let's assume those real reasons are hogwash, and the only reason he lost is because there was massive rigging. Better yet, let's even go a step further and say that Romney did not even lose ...he won, and it is the Dems that 'made it look like he did not.'

Alright - then how come the GOP/Romney/Gingrich/Perry/Supreme Court (at least the portion that is conservative)/etc are not saying a thing? If I would fight tooth and nail over a parking ticket why are they keeping quiet over the loss of a free republic? Yes, I've read about that supposedly 'secret agreement' between the Dems and the GOP to 'never contest a stolen election,' but that's tripe!

If (and it is a mighty big if) you are correct, and the reason Romney lost was not due to his failures in strategy (which were a number) and solely due to massive rigging, then it really doesn't matter! Why? Because, if the whole Republican Party is willing to look the other way while the election is stolen, and once it is stolen say nothing, then it is too late and the republic has been usurped. It's that simple! If you are correct, then that makes the Democrat party vote riggers, and it makes the Republican party spineless traitors. The Republican party would be worse than the Democrats, in the same way an armed police man standing next to a criminal raping a young girl, and doing nothing, would be worse than the criminal. Yes, the perp is committing the actual offense, but the cop is not only allowing it to happen (compliance with the act), but he is also abandoning his duties and obligations.

I believe there was voting fraud, but that it was not the reason Romney lost. Even without fraud he would still have lost. However, if there was fraud to the level you claim, and if it is what cost Romney the election, then my question is simple. Why did the GOP decide to keep quiet?

Without a good answer to that the fraud theory simply looks like one of those alien abduction/radio-controlled-WTC-planes/blurred-bigfoot-picture stories.

Why did the GOP keep quiet? Because of some secret boys-club-in-a-tree-house agreement? I am not trying to mock anyone, but as long as people focus on fairy-tale stories why Romney lost (and he did lose) then they will do nothing to ensure that in 2016 the Conservatives have taken a strong role in the Republican party (step 1), and (step 2) that the Republican party nominee is a Conservative. The last several election cycles have not had a real Conservative - one would probably need to go back to Reagan to find a conservative (i.e. both FISCAL and social). The Conservatives have to take over (or at least take a strong role) within the GOP, and then they have to ensure that they run a person who has conservative principles and who is able to COMMUNICATE to the people.

Or we can simply say 'The Republicans actually DID win - it is just the >>VOTE FRAUD<< that makes it look like they didn’t.' In which case we should probably steer clear of Area 51 since I hear there are flying pyramids or something of the sort there, with lil' green men that have a penchant for probing areas that really don't need any probing!

69 posted on 12/01/2012 12:28:32 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

There was massive voter fraud.

How the hell do we know why Romney didn’t fight it. Maybe he is too nice a guy. Maybe he has no spine.. who knows.

And please don’t lump us into a wacko group like “truthers”.

The fraud was obvious. I’m not going to redocument it here for you. It is out there for anyone who cares.

The sad fact is we are now exactly like those pathetic countries who hold mock elections.

West out in Florida didn’t go on with his fight because he simply didn’t have the money to take it to the courts. And of course the GOP wasn’t going to pony up the money.

We live in a time where our so-called elected officials have no back bones. They are high on the power and money and don’t give a rats ass about our Constitution.

But of course it is much easier to believe we lost because our candidate wasn’t perfect. Or we didn’t pander to the correct demographic in the right way.

It is my opinion the Republicans could have ran Ronald Reagan himself and we still would have lost.

No.. Voter fraud. Plain and simple.

70 posted on 12/01/2012 12:47:14 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: spetznaz
I don't completely agree.
I believe there WAS ENOUGH Voter Fraud to throw the 80 Electoral College Votes from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida.
I also believe that had Romney SAVAGED Obama, like he SAVAGED the Conservatives that ran against him in the Primary, Romney would have gotten more votes in the General election.
So yes, it's Romney's fault, but there WAS ENOUGH VOTER FRAUD to steal the election for Obama.
Romney might have won, but with Obama's Criminals running the "Justice Department", they'll never admit Romney won.

Black States = States Obama won by Voter Fraud. Click the state for more information.

Dean Chambers of Creates Obama Voter Fraud Map

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71 posted on 12/01/2012 12:48:22 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: spetznaz

Nixon knew there was vote fraud in 1960 but he didn’t want to put the country through was Al Gore Junior put this nation through in 2000 and Kerry tried to pull in 2004.

Al Franken stole a seat in the Senate after such hassle (and he was one of the 60 that pushed Obamacare through).

75 posted on 12/01/2012 10:45:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: spetznaz

Maybe it’s just a “fluke” to have 104-140% voter turnout in some precincts. But it stinks and would appear to highlight some level of ballot stuffing.

The dimpled chads in 2000 were also mass produced ballots.

76 posted on 12/01/2012 10:52:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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