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(Cops & Robbers Agree!) California Police Wish Gun Owners Would Just Comply with Robbers
GUNS.com ^ | 11/27/2012 | dabneybailey

Posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:58 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Nanny State Thought Police

California Police Wish Gun Owners Would Just Comply with Robbers

If a couple of thugs break into your place of business and point a gun in your face, then you would be perfectly justified in opening fire on them, right? Well, maybe not. San Jose police are giving one gun owner a stern tsk-tsk after she defended her property from a pair of armed thieves.

According to ABC Local 7 News, a pair of thieves wearing masks and hooded sweatshirts burst into a San Jose jewelry store at 10:15 a.m. on Monday. At least one of the would-be thieves was armed.

The thieves probably thought that they were going to make off with a bag full of bling, but instead they nearly caught a bullet. The store owner, who was reportedly a woman, drew a pistol and leveled it at the two would-be thieves. She fired at least one shot but did not strike either of them – it is unclear whether that was a warning shot or if she simply missed.

Either way, the bullet did its job. The two thieves quickly fled the store and made their escape in an SUV. Cops are currently looking for leads on the two suspects. According to Yahoo News, they are examining video surveillance and other tapes for clues.

In the meantime, the police are giving gun owners a piece of their mind. Albert Morales, the San Jose Police spokesman, said, "We don't recommend (drawing a gun or firing). We would have preferred that they just go ahead and comply with the request or demands of the robbers. Again they were after material items that could be replaced and again our biggest fear is that somebody would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died."

You know who else would have preferred that the jewelry store owner had just complied? The thieves. Who would’ve thought that cops and robbers would ever be able to agree on something?

Despite this, the police have not pressed charges against the gun owner – probably because all she did was exercise a perfectly legal Constitutional right. The police agree that it's OK to open fire, but they're just expressing how much they dislike it. That isn't a big deal, right?

The problem is that when a statement like that comes from police, the subtle implication is that there’s something inherently immoral or illegal about using a gun in self-defense. It could give people the wrong impression about firearms -- whether that’s intentional or accidental is an entirely different debate.

If Morales should be scolding anybody, it should be the pair of thieves who threatened that woman. The fact of the matter is that there's nothing wrong with using a gun in self-defense as long as you comply with the laws in your locality. The opinion of the San Jose police is simply that -- an opinion.

Why don't you weigh in with your opinion? Did the store owner do the right thing, or should people across America put up their hands and do whatever robbers say? We know that thieves could get behind that slogan, but what do you think?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; copsandrobbers; gunsandammo; leftcoast; policestate; secondamendment; thearmedcitizen
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Well at least the police and criminals can finally agree on something ... if a citizen is faced by a robber, just give up the loot.

That way the crook gets the goods, and the police department can enjoy lots of job security by opening yet another case for the detective bureau.

1 posted on 11/30/2012 2:25:13 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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More coverage of the robbery in San Jose in which an armed citizen fired back at robbers ...

“Jewelry store owner shoots at robbers in San Jose”

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8899010


2 posted on 11/30/2012 2:27:32 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I knew there was a good reason we have cops.....thanks for the reminder!


3 posted on 11/30/2012 2:27:56 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Again they were after material items that could be replaced and again our biggest fear is that somebody would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died."

That's easy to say when they're not your "material items."

More evidence that cops are just gang-bangers with badges.

4 posted on 11/30/2012 2:27:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: DogByte6RER
This just reduces the police to the level of Security Officers where there is only a “Observe and Report” action. The police should realize that they no longer can “protect and Serve”. You as a citizen are responsible for yourself until the arrival of the authorities.
5 posted on 11/30/2012 2:30:42 PM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: DogByte6RER

A genuine cop would never say that. Corrupt administrations tell the cops what to say, and being trained to obey, they comply.

In reality, the politicians want the crooks to just waltz in and take whatever they want - kind of “redistribution of wealth.”


6 posted on 11/30/2012 2:31:00 PM PST by I want the USA back (The right to defend oneself is inherent in our nature. It can't be given or taken away by government)
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To: DogByte6RER

Why should we expect the police to remain unstained by the corruption overtaking government in general?


7 posted on 11/30/2012 2:32:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: DogByte6RER; Morgana

ugh


8 posted on 11/30/2012 2:32:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DogByte6RER

” “We don’t recommend (drawing a gun or firing). We would have preferred that they just go ahead and comply with the request or demands of the robbers.”

Fine. The next time you cops come up against an armed criminal, why don’t you practice what you preach.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 2:34:45 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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Donate here!

It’s nearly Turkey destruction time ,again.
Let’s give Jim an early CHRISTmas and finish this thing! Eh?

10 posted on 11/30/2012 2:35:17 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: DogByte6RER
You have to understand that San Jose's police chief is a candy-a$$ liberal. Notes from his bio:

"In 1999, Chief Moore was selected as a White House Fellow and served one year as Counsel to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno. In 2004, Moore was awarded a Fulbright Police Research Fellowship to study police accountability at the London School of Economics and New Scotland Yard. He is a member of the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) and the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). "Chief Moore holds a B.A. from the University of California at Berkeley."

11 posted on 11/30/2012 2:35:56 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: DogByte6RER

Well...after all the government has decided the real business its in is redistribution of wealth....the robbers are merely the active partners.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 2:38:29 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Gag me. The only downside to shooting the scum is the cleanup and you are left with the liquid waste removal.


13 posted on 11/30/2012 2:39:01 PM PST by soycd
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To: DogByte6RER

Because you can trust a robber to just take material things, right? I wonder if they think victims should submit to rapists as well. Heck, its just sex.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 2:39:01 PM PST by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: DogByte6RER

I realise I’m probably going to be in a minority of one here, but did anyone consider what the fact that if your aim is flawed, blasting out bullets into a busy street through the store window might possibly end in tears?


15 posted on 11/30/2012 2:39:52 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: DogByte6RER

This is a very bad message, and one that’s on track with the statism found in the UK.

Lawful citizens deserve the unimpeded right to defend themselves in any reasonable manner.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 2:43:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DogByte6RER
Did the store owner do the right thing...?

No! She missed and she didn't fire enough rounds. Duh!

17 posted on 11/30/2012 2:44:38 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: DogByte6RER
The fact of the matter is that there's nothing wrong with using a gun in self-defense as long as you comply with the laws in your locality The fact of the matter is that there's nothing wrong with using a gun in self-defense as long as you comply with the laws in your locality laws be damn'd
18 posted on 11/30/2012 2:45:08 PM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

>> blasting out bullets into a busy street

So instead of issuing guidelines on weapons management, the citizens should be told to submit?

Don’t be a statist.


19 posted on 11/30/2012 2:46:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I realise I’m probably going to be in a minority of one here

That's because this is a Conservative site.

Is the reason you think you're a minority here because you are not a Conservative?

Self defense is a God Given right, and btw, where did it say she was shooting out the storefront into the street?

20 posted on 11/30/2012 2:49:27 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

And what if you comply with their demands, and then they kill you anyway?

Translation from the top cop: “STOP IT!! You’re making us look bad!!!!”


21 posted on 11/30/2012 2:50:53 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: DogByte6RER

DogBite,

Can’t help myself, gotta boost that poster! If you have don’t want I should do that, please let me know.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 2:51:15 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I think it’s for liability reasons the cops caution citizens against armed resistance. If the cops advocated firing upon criminals, it would be the basis for a large lawsuit.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 2:52:41 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Your post explains it all very well.

BTW, London School of Economics is famous for turning out Socialist zombies....I know it for a fact as we have one of them in the family.

24 posted on 11/30/2012 2:53:17 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

If that’s what you’re worried about as a store owner with a gun...

1. Get more range time. Lots more. Consistent shooting and firearm handling teaches confidence. You are less likely to screw up with your firearm if you are comfortable with it.

OR

2. Don’t have a gun and let the thug-of-the-month use your store as his personal ATM.

Either way, the cops really don’t care. They get the same paycheck whether you hit the bad guy or the bad guy hits you.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 2:54:00 PM PST by LadyBuck (Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go......empty.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I have two words for you then that should calm your fears....hollow points.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 2:54:31 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Isn’t that the way Britain does it. Victims get the raw end of the stick. Come to think about it, so do the women in the moslim world.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 2:55:03 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The person is a store owner not an NYPD Cop.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 2:55:34 PM PST by fudimo
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To: DogByte6RER

“...our biggest fear is that somebody would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died.”

If the store owner had been a better shot, it could have been one of the thieves.


29 posted on 11/30/2012 2:56:10 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Looky here:

This ain’t nothing new or unusual. The cops in this case are just confused. I mean, the irs does this stuff every day, and good citizens don’t flash heat at them.

“Just stand still and let us fleece you, if you don’t, you’ll get shot!”

So, robbers in the street or irs agents in your cash register. What the hell is the difference?

Its easy to see why the cops would be confused.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 2:58:01 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Gene Eric

Weapons management? She was being robbed by armed robbers, which is going to make most people’s aim shaky any way. Unless you are very well trained and very accustomed to being in violent situations, I don’t think there is any way of guaranteeing that all your shots will be on target when you open fire.
Good weapons management would be to brandish it only, or only open fire when there was a direct threat to her life, not her property.

Like I say, there was a lot of potential for this whole incident to have ended in tears by recklessly blasting away in the general direction of the robbers. I’m not being ‘statist’ here, I’m just pointing out to all you gung-ho gunslingers out there that you’d better think very carefully about when you pull the trigger. Except you won’t, because your mind will be occupied by other things at that particular moment, which is where the potential danger is...


31 posted on 11/30/2012 2:58:55 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
but did anyone consider what the fact that if your aim is flawed, blasting out bullets into a busy street through the store window might possibly end in tears?

Clearly a question posed by someone who knows nothing about carrying a gun.

In other words it is a very stupid question.

Very, VERY stupid.

32 posted on 11/30/2012 2:59:39 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

YOu’re right, only cops and government officials are quailified to carry and use guns.

YOu’re on the wrong site, besides Conservative, yes we’re gun ho....and trained better than most of your government overlords.


33 posted on 11/30/2012 3:03:39 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: 50mm

bump


34 posted on 11/30/2012 3:04:23 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DogByte6RER

I blame part of it on the advent of no-knock “dynamic entry” tactics. When people exercise their right to keep and bear arms in defense of their homes and families, kicking someone’s door down in the middle of the night becomes a high-risk proposition.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 3:04:40 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

If the store owner was a better shot she should get a commission check.


In California in 2009, it cost an average of $47,102 a year to incarcerate an inmate in state prison. From 2001 to 2009, the average annual cost increased by about $19,500.[92]


36 posted on 11/30/2012 3:04:58 PM PST by fudimo
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Good weapons management would be to brandish it

Another stupid statement.

I’m just pointing out to all you gung-ho gunslingers out there that you’d better think very carefully about when you pull the trigger.

As if we gun owners haven't thought of that. If you knew a single damn thing about guns or had actually ever held one in your hand you would not have ever made such an overwhelming stupid STUPID statement.

Did I mention that everything you have posted on this thread is stupid?

37 posted on 11/30/2012 3:05:05 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: DogByte6RER

http://www.amazon.com/Victim-Other-Murder-Gary-Kinder/dp/0871137356

A must read book; never submit.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 3:05:18 PM PST by mountaineer1997
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Have you ever actually fired a real gun, in the real world, in real life?

Have you ever even touched a real gun, in the real world, in real life?

Go back to your computer strategy games ... let the adults deal with reality.

39 posted on 11/30/2012 3:07:19 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eaker

You reckon?


40 posted on 11/30/2012 3:07:19 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: DogByte6RER

It sounds as if the police are part of a Union and just protecting their turf.


41 posted on 11/30/2012 3:07:23 PM PST by trailboss800
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Oh Jeez, another “expert.”

Hey all you gunslinging Hicks! STAND DOWN NOW BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOUR DUMB HILLBILLY TOES OFF!

Just stand there and wait till the “Pros from Dover” show up to chalk your body outline.

Hey Hicks, don’t try this at home, We are the Professionals, we KNOW how to show up 2 minutes after you really needed us.

Remember Hicks, when seconds count, we’re only five minutes out!

I remember a whole LOT of folks getting whacked by the “Pros” in NYC.

I don’t recall a lot of innocent bystanders getting whacked by an armed citizen. Cause if it did happen, the msm would jam it so far up our butts it would be coming out our noses.

So who’s the real danger here?


42 posted on 11/30/2012 3:08:41 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: DogByte6RER
they were after material items that could be replaced

Your 'stuff' is the fruit of your labor, i.e., that portion of your life you traded to acquire the 'stuff'. So if someone steals your 'stuff' they are stealing part of your life. I think using a firearm to defend something that represents part of your life is perfectly acceptable.

43 posted on 11/30/2012 3:09:22 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: DogByte6RER

>> “..and again our biggest fear is that some CRIMINAL would have gotten hurt, injured and possibly even died.” <<

.
Any questions?


44 posted on 11/30/2012 3:10:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DogByte6RER

I wonder how much of stolen jewelry would be kept in the evidence room and the cops could be the first to bid on it?


45 posted on 11/30/2012 3:10:35 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, I have fired a gun in real life, many times, and I know enough to realise that my aim is a lot worse when under stress. You can train at the range all you want, but how are you supposed to get stress training so that you can hold your nerve whilst shooting? I doubt all store owners are highly-experienced combat veterans used to being under fire.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 3:13:08 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
You reckon?

Yeah, I reckon you don't know a damn thing about guns, self defense or probably much anything at all except how to be a good little badge bunny who does what they are told.

You have certainly shined on this thread.

47 posted on 11/30/2012 3:13:50 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: DogByte6RER

They should cut the officers pay in half .... money is just a material item :)


48 posted on 11/30/2012 3:14:08 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Good weapons management would be to brandish it only

The thieves heartily agree with you. Sane people protecting themselves don't.

49 posted on 11/30/2012 3:15:49 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: tacticalogic
When people exercise their right to keep and bear arms in defense of their homes and families, kicking someone’s door down in the middle of the night becomes a high-risk proposition.

And that's as it should be. When your government thinks it needs to act like a criminal in the street, its time to make their choice of tactics something to ponder heavily.

Whatever happened to the uniformed cop showing up at a decent hour, knocking on the door and presenting a warrant? When did we replace a fine police force with Cheka?

War on drugs was a stake through the heart of many things.

50 posted on 11/30/2012 3:15:58 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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