Skip to comments.France and Britain Reportedly Considering Pulling Ambassadors from Israel
Posted on 12/03/2012 8:32:42 AM PST by LibWhacker
Everybody knew that Israel's move to build new settlements in the previously off-limits area outside Jerusalem known as E1 would anger friends and enemies alike. But few probably guessed that it would send European ambassadors fleeing the country. According to a new report from Haaretz, that's exactly what the diplomats from France and Britain are thinking. More specifically, the Haaretz report cites senior European diplomats who say that the two countries are considering "the unprecedented step of recalling their ambassadors." One told the paper, "This time it won't just be a condemnation, there will be real action taken against Israel."
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The “US” would too, if it thinks it can get away with it...
If they go, fine. Convert their quarters to housing.
“...Israel’s move to build new settlements in the previously off-limits area outside Jerusalem...”
Is this area not part of Israel?????? Why can’t they build in their OWN country????????
Amazing considering that Jewish national history is older than the english and French combined.
It was eventually going to happen anyway. Israel is slowly being de-legitimized by the West.
These “nitwits” have brought their own countries to the very edge of ruin by their (insane) immigration policies. They’re the last people Israel needs any lectures from (especially about its internal local home building for its own citizens)
Funny how this hasnt appeared in any British media, which is covering the Israel-Palestinian recent flareup wall to wall.
I smell BS.
Well you been a good and faithful friend Britain...But I must chose the side of God and his chosen...Fare thee well old friend...
Why are Israelis always building “settlements” in warzones? I wouldn’t live in one of those. Does the government do this or private citizens?
I sincerely hope you’re right and this report is BS.
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God Bless the Mass Media!
No guts; no glory.
They aren’t “settlements” any more or less than the town you live in is a “settlement.” They are just communities and homes for Israel’s families and citizens.
Israelis are getting damned tired of living in a “war zone,” as you put it. Quite probably, it seems to me anyway, or at least possibly one of these days (maybe after the terrorists fire another 2000 missile- bombs into Israeli homes, schools, hospitals, and pizza parlors,... or perhaps sooner than that?), Israel will eventually lose patience and get rid of the problem (like any other country would have done long ago, frankly).
Then, Israelis won’t have to live in a “war zone” any longer (but maybe France will really recall its ambassador? Mon dieu! Horrors!).
Until then, as long as the Israeli government continues to exercise such (amazing) restraint for the “causes” of “saving Arab civilian lives in areas occupied by the enemy” and “trying to get along with the neighbors,” Israelis are stuck living either in homes in their “war zone” or they live out on the street or in holes in the ground or in caves in their “war zone.” They choose to live in homes.
90% of the continent is gone. It has fallen to ‘Eurabia’, and total control of the EUSSR.
The French president was apparently asked in a press conference if he’d consider sanctions against Israel. He said not yet, but the fact that it’s even being considered is like some kind of sick joke. Do they sanction leading human rights abuser, Saudi Arabia? No.
Perhaps we should sanction the European Union for its lack of democracy and police state tactics used against the critics of Islam. Sweden in particular has been begging for sanctions what with its Nazi-style ban on home-schooling. This should be our threat to the Europeans. If they sanction Israel, we will sanction them. It’s not like our economy could get any worse under O’Loser.
"A diplomatic source, who declined to be named, said London would decide whether to recall its ambassador later in the day."
Who is the “we” you suggest sanctioning the EU???
The United States government under “fearless leader” would go right along with the EU and sanction Israel...
The “we” you speak of doesn’t have any control over the United States government any longer....
Over in Britain, there’s a firm belief that the two state solution would’ve brought peace to Palestine and Israel years ago and so every new settlement in “occupied” land is viewed as Israel shooting itself in the foot in the long run.
Over here, if you ask the Islamists what they want to happen (it’s not difficult), they are quite candid: the sooner Israel starts flattening Palestine the better. They don’t care about the Palestinians any more than they care about the Jews.
There’s no bigger cheer goes up than when some Palestinian kid throws a rock at the IDF and gets a bullet in his face as a “proportionate” response. Because that’s the kind of propaganda they’re after.
They love it even more when the news here shows a Palestinian school flattened... “because those evil little kindergarteners didn’t do enough to stop Hamas gunmen putting a rocket launcher on the roof.”
And what you need to understand is that as soon as anything like that can hit the news over here, the anti-Zionist media deliberately juxtaposes the reporting of that specific kind of event with a “Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, in a really posh part of Israel, here’s some moaning minny complaining about how they got a cracked windscreen when a Palestinian threw a rock at their brand new Range Rover (yes that IS how it’s reported).
The Islamists WANT Israel to be seen as the bad guy. They WANT Israel to ignore international law. So of course they stick rockets on school rooftops. Nothing works better for them than flattening some SUV on the Israeli side and then seeing a school flattened in retaliation. Every Israeli retaliation is a media own goal.
I don’t think the ramifications of this has computed across the Atlantic yet (and that amazes me - I always thought Americans were far more media-savvy than us Brits). Did you guys not see how the regimes of Egypt and Libya were toppled pretty much by the power of social media? THAT’S WHERE THE REAL FRONT IS ON THIS WAR!
Some of us friends of Israel now think Israel would be far better off knowing how the game’s being played, and changing their plays.
Israel would be far better off letting the Palestinians have their own state and THEN using the international laws of self-defence against an aggressive state, to defend blowing Palestine off the map. Give the Palestinians their state and stand up in the UN and cite every custom, law and precedent going to say “Here’s what you wanted. But if one more shell lands on our side of the border that’s it, we’re going to flatten you.”
And if Hamas call their bluff there’s not one country in the UN will take their side, just as nobody stood up for Saddam when he attacked Kuwait.
But the only way that’ll work is if Palestine fires first. It HAS to be seen to fire the first shot. He who fires first, loses the PR war.
And you cannot get round that anymore.
You make many good points about the PR war against israel. Israel has the talents to do much, much better at doing some positive pr, too! But Israel should not, and can’t afford to, let its enemies lead it into letting a fear of manipulated bad PR (which unfortunately, will continue to spew forth anyway) for positive actions, whether constructive or defensive. That’s a trap Israel fell into several times before, at perilous risk and great cost in lives and security. Defense first, as any decent country must do for its citizens, building of homes and schools and communities second, as any decent people do for themselves and their children, and yes wage the best PR effort possible but that’s 3rd priority. In my humble opinion. (And the anti- Semitic PR assault will, regrettably, continue because the saudis are dumping tons of money into it, along with the madrasahs and camps to indoctrinate the terrorists and train them how to use bombs and missiles). In short, just do the best u can to build and defend your country and yes, try to do a much better PR job along the way. Yes, indeed, although whether Isr can ever match the PR crap being thrown at it? I doubt that. Just how it seems. The infiltration and subversion of the mass media appears quite extensive. Best regards, fhc
“Something Hitler didn’t know about the Brits is that eventually they’d surrender ~ same with the French ~ just a matter of waiting them out.”
Alternatively - something us Brits understood over 70 years ago that Israel and America STILL haven’t figured out yet (despite both having ample opportunity to get it) is that if you want the politicians and the history books to declare you to have the moral upper hand you must ALWAYS let the other guy take the first shot. You make the truce and make darned sure everyone sees him break it. And, make darned sure everyone sees that his attack was *totally* unprovoked.
The history books will unequivocally state over and over again that whenever a FOREIGN STATE launches an unprovoked attack, everyone will accept that any response by the victim state, no matter how devastating, is legitimate.
In the Israel/Palestine debate it’s all gone wooly. Palestine is not a foreign state. It’s seen as part of Israel by the rest of the world. It’s occupied by Israel, it’s militarily contained by Israel, and it’s blockaded by Israel, and for those reasons Israel can no more nuke Palestine than England could’ve nuked IRA heartlands.
This is precisely why Israel, not Palestine, needs to totally change the terms of the game by doing the last thing the islamists want or expect. Give them their nationhood. Nukes can be pointed at Iran without anyone crying foul, and on the exact same basis they could also be pointed at Palestine.
IF it’s a nation state.
Totally agree with everything you say there, but I’d cite the Northern Ireland example as a case in point.
All the time England acted defensively and actively hunted down the IRA, who hid inside communities they terrorised, we achieved diddly squat. The Loyalist paramilitaries cited our support as their motivator, when in fact most of us hated what those guys did in our name. The biggest driver to peace for the Six Counties was Omagh. Because after that event everyone was crystal clear who the real enemies of peace were. There was no argument anymore. Even those who hadn’t decommissioned, did so.
And now what’s left of the Troubles? A band of about 50 bored kids kneecapping drug dealers and hanging round a dozen has-beens who still think they’re part of something big when they aren’t.
I know what I’m saying does sound like a very risky strategy for Israel given it has other enemies in the region, but Ahhmedinajad uses proxies like Palestine simply because Hamas is an easy way to keep Israel’s eye off the real ball.
The stateless nature of the Palestinian people while they’re technically living in a state of occupation is the one thing that enables them to lob rockets over the wall. That’s what empowers Hamas. That’s what makes them useful to Iran.
Take that away from them and they’ll have no military might whatsoever, and no defence. Israel would be able to point a nuke at them. Any remnant dissidents in Hamas will have all the moral and strategic power of an IRA splinter group.
At that point, Palestine will be too busy reconstructing and too scared of the consequences to start anything, and Egypt and Jordan will be quite happy to leave things as they are.
We know that because of all the nutters in the Middle East, Saddam was by far the most unhinged and even he didn’t dare bring it. Ahmedinajad’s nowhere near as insane as Saddam, and we already know he won’t start anything he can’t finish unless he has allies who’re equally willing to commit to huge loss of life for a fight that’s not worth having.
So in the long run, resolving Palestinian statehood will do far more defensively for Israel than building more settlements in contested territory. Even if it means ostensibly giving land away,