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Latest hell for ex-U.S. Marine: Chained to bed in Mexican jail
McClatchey Newspapers ^ | Dec. 6, 2012 | Tim Johnson

Posted on 12/07/2012 7:00:26 PM PST by huldah1776

MEXICO CITY — As a U.S. Marine, Jon Hammar endured nightmarish tension patrolling the war-ravaged streets of Iraq’s Fallujah. When he came home, the brutality of war still pinging around his brain, mental peace proved elusive.

Surfing provided the only respite.

“The only time Hammar is not losing his mind is when he’s on the water,” said a fellow Marine veteran, Ian McDonough.

snip--- But Mexican prosecutors who looked at the disassembled relic in the 1972 Winnebago motor home dismissed the U.S. registration papers Hammar had filled out. They charged him with a serious crime: possession of a weapon restricted for use to Mexico’s armed forces

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cartel; hammar; jonhammar; marine; ptsd; veterans
Anybody have any ideas on how to get this guy home?
1 posted on 12/07/2012 7:00:36 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776
Anybody have any ideas on how to get this guy home?

Check. Contact the chief of the Israeli Commandos. They'll get this guy out.
2 posted on 12/07/2012 7:05:06 PM PST by Signalman
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To: huldah1776

With a “Band of Brothers”.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 7:05:22 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: huldah1776

They told him the Donkey Show wasn’t worth it, but would he listen? Nooo....

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too soon??


4 posted on 12/07/2012 7:06:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: huldah1776

Ross Perot got his people out of Iran once...


5 posted on 12/07/2012 7:08:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: huldah1776

SEAL team 6?


6 posted on 12/07/2012 7:09:19 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: huldah1776

I would suggest petitioning the President, but considering his hatred of the US Military that would be a waste of time.


7 posted on 12/07/2012 7:10:12 PM PST by doc1019 (Women have a choice, unborn babies don't.)
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To: huldah1776

When this was still the United States of America, The President and Secretary of State, would recognize there responsibility to protect it’s citizens.

They would use flowery language to send a quiet message to Mexico and tell them, “send our guy home now, or, we’ll come and get him.”

There would be a quiet response from Mexico, to the effect, “Sorry for the misunderstanding! Do you think he would like a beer for the road?”


8 posted on 12/07/2012 7:13:03 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: huldah1776
I feel bad for this guy for sure.However,Mexico...like the United States...is a sovereign nation.And not all sovereign nations have laws that Americans understand and/or agree with.The story seems to suggest that he did,in fact,bring a firearm into Mexico,apparently in violation of Mexican law.That's all the info I need.I,for example,have done some traveling in my day...including to Third World countries.One thing I learned early on...*particularly* when entering a Third World nation...is that you're at the mercy of *their* laws and at the mercy of *their* level of corruption.An American is silly to expect the same degree of “decency” in a Third World hell hole as he/she expects at home.
10 posted on 12/07/2012 7:17:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: huldah1776

“Anybody have any ideas on how to get this guy home?”

Pay the money—whether to the police, the gangs, or whatever. That’s they way it’s done in Mexico.

Don’ think that it’s a country run by laws, because it’s not.


11 posted on 12/07/2012 7:19:35 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

Don’ think that it’s a country run by laws, because it’s not.

yeah just like here


12 posted on 12/07/2012 7:25:40 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: CondorFlight
Pay the money—whether to the police, the gangs, or whatever. That’s they way it’s done in Mexico.

It's the institution of "mordida" (bribery) and indeed that's how its done.

13 posted on 12/07/2012 7:25:58 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I agree! I have no, let me repeat NO desire to visit Mexico!


14 posted on 12/07/2012 7:29:43 PM PST by classified
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To: huldah1776

This is crazy. I personally know a dozen hunters that have crossed in and out of Mexico, some for thirty years and never had any problems that a respectful smile and maybe a hundred bucks couldn’t cure.

Get in their face, disrespect them or dare them to react and your @ss is grass(unless you know someone of rank or importance)

These rules are well known and/or just plain common sense. Claiming to be unaware of Mexico’s vagaries just does not cut it with me.


15 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:52 PM PST by Cyman
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To: huldah1776
The .410 bore Sears & Roebuck shotgun once belonged to his great-grandfather.

What, you were expecting an AR-15?
16 posted on 12/07/2012 7:37:05 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: huldah1776

As Gov. Perry has been known to say, “don’t go to Mexico, it ain’t safe”. Take it to heart. It’s hard enough to keep Mexico out let alone doing something stupid like going there.


17 posted on 12/07/2012 7:41:11 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: huldah1776

Yes, we go and get him.


18 posted on 12/07/2012 7:45:41 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: All

How about a Prisoner exchange?

We send them 100,000 Illegals currently incarcerated for our guy.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 8:07:15 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("Hate standing in line at the Post Office? - wait until ObamaCare is implemented.")
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To: Gay State Conservative

Mexico files lawsuits in America over illegal immigration and we can’t get our citizen back home? Unreal.


20 posted on 12/07/2012 8:15:08 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: huldah1776

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


21 posted on 12/07/2012 8:17:06 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: huldah1776

I feel for this guy. But he broke the law in mexico. The fact he’s a former US Marine who served in iraq carries zero weight in another country (it practically carries no weight here!).


22 posted on 12/07/2012 8:32:16 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: huldah1776

What part of do not ever take any firearm or ammunition into Mexico, much less “Stay the HEll out of Mexico!”, did he simply not understand?


23 posted on 12/07/2012 8:50:45 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: huldah1776

What part of do not ever take any firearm or ammunition into Mexico, much less “Stay the HEll out of Mexico!”, did he simply not understand?


24 posted on 12/07/2012 8:50:54 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Gator113

I’m in


25 posted on 12/07/2012 8:58:03 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: huldah1776

At this point it may be too late to pay a bribe.

It is not a bad idea to carry a few hundred bucks on you while in Mexico and $1000 should get you out of most problems at the onset of an issue with the police.

But when you enter Mexico, they will offer search your vehicle and they are looking for guns.

The Second Amendment does not apply south of the border.


26 posted on 12/07/2012 9:14:23 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: huldah1776

Bill RIchardson? He loves being in the news and he goes to Korea a lot. I doubt he’d worry about a trip to his homeland if he got some press out of it.

To those who say the Marine should have known better.....it was an antique gun that most likely would have “passed” the measurement standard if the militants weren’t so greedy. Too bad he didn’t have a couple of hundred to get that bribe done.


27 posted on 12/07/2012 10:02:14 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: huldah1776

Why didn’t he have his Fast & furious Business card with him?


28 posted on 12/07/2012 10:44:36 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: OKRA2012

I am an American of Mexican Ancestry and every 2 years my family and I would go down to Mexico City to visit my father’s family. We would drive down there. I recall my father being stopped by a police and I vividly remember my father “paying” him and the officer just went back to his patrol car. Being a child then I for some reason knew it was a “Payoff”. Then there was another incident with the immigration. We were traveling on the coastal side of Mexico so we had to pass Tijuana. Every mile or so there were like Custom office that looked like a small house. Well there were some that were empty but we came across one that had 3 Mexican agents. They came out and inspected our car and my mother & father (both RIP) stood watching them. My mother then asked “what are you looking for?”. This fat agent stated they are looking for a gun. My mother said “What! your looking for a gun in that small hole (where the passenger door handle was) then they went and open the back trunk and took everything out including our suitcases and opened them up and dragged out clothes onto the dirt. My mother got so pissed she went after the fat agent and told him off and order him to put everything back. So all 3 agents placed everything back.

Now I for one WILL NOT ever return to Mexico. It is so corrupt that is why my father never wanted to work for the Mexican government. My father had so many opportunities to get a government job from the high position but he gave it up and came to the US and worked as a farm worker when he could be living a comfortable life in Mexico. My father knew the whose whose in Mexico and that was thru my grandfather. My father was a man who rather struggle and keep his integrity than to accept a cushy job and become like them.

As for this soldier, I am sorry that he wanted to do this now he is learning the hard way. American people must remember that the US Constitution does not follow you around the world.


29 posted on 12/08/2012 12:46:59 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: G Larry

Back in the early 70’s the Marines at camp Pendleton did just that after one of their Men was locked up on a bogus charge in TJ, they went down there 300 strong FULLY ARMED and removed him from their jail and brought him back home, and there was not even a peep from the Meican Government or any Government Official from either side of the tortilla.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 4:33:25 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: huldah1776

I’m not trying to be facetious, but you can buy travel insurance with an extortion rider for these situations.

There also exists executive insurance plans. If you get spirited away by kidnappers or government officials, that insurance company will send an armed commando team to get you.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 7:06:53 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Alamo-Girl; 4Godsoloved..Hegave; albie; alicewonders; alnick; alpha-8-25-02; AmericanMade1776; ...

ping for prayer, wisdom and...connections(?), answers (?), help (?)


32 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:00 AM PST by Hiskid (Jesus is Lord)
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To: Alamo-Girl; 4Godsoloved..Hegave; albie; alicewonders; alnick; alpha-8-25-02; AmericanMade1776; ...

ping for prayer, wisdom and...connections(?), answers (?), help (?)


33 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:33 AM PST by Hiskid (Jesus is Lord)
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To: Hiskid

I join in earnest prayer for this hero!


34 posted on 12/08/2012 9:23:13 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: huldah1776; Hiskid

Sending Heartfelt Prayers.


35 posted on 12/08/2012 11:33:41 PM PST by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: huldah1776

I have to question the mental well being of this guy. Mexico is in the middle of a war. 50k+ dead. Beheadings in the streets. Gun battles in center of major cities. He should have read up on the laws of Mexico. Thanks for your service but being an Ex-Marine does not excuse you from reading up on what you can and can not do in a foreign country.


36 posted on 12/13/2012 5:59:20 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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