The Inconceivable Embarrassment From Cold Fusion

New Energy and Fuel ^ | Dec 10 2012 | Anon

[Wonder Warthog]

"Anything that claims to generate nuclear reactions at chemical activation energy levels needs to be viewed with extreme scepticism."

It has been, and more than extreme. The science is now unquestionable. All the criteria that have been put forward for scientific proof have been satisfied (and more than satisfied). The pathological skeptics have been quite rapidly moving the goal posts to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

I suggest you read Beaudette's book and learn about that evidence instead of bloviating.

[Wonder Warthog]

"As you are aware, that has little to do with the charade games played by Rossi. It is a shame that he was mentioned in the article. This article does not change one Iota of the possibility of fraudulent conduct on the part of Rossi."

Indeed. My point precisely. Whether Rossi is a fraud or not is now irrelevant to the scientific validity of LENR.

[TChris]

Politics has caused profound damage to science many times before. Students should have it beat into their heads that consensus is NOT science, it’s politics.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Not so. The work of Lysenko, the Russian biology fraud, was replicated many times by other self-serving Russian biologists."

Your logic (and science) is flawed. Note the qualifier "Russian" (should actually be Communist). LENR has been replicated in many laboratories all over the world.

[cpdiii]

You had me until this. Andrea Rossi is a complete fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correct. If his device worked it would have been patented and produced for commercial use. He would have become the richest man on earth. HE IS A FRAUD AND THOSE THAT GIVE HIM MONEY ARE FOOLS!

[Wonder Warthog]

"Paper issued, meetings held, conferences and “in depth discussions”, all are considered great progress but still nothing of use even on the most distant horizon."

"Something of use" is irrelevant to scientific validity. But nice try at moving the goal posts.

"And it's chickens that roost, not ducks."

As a farm boy who has raised both, I can guarantee you that ducks do indeed "roost", as do geese, guinea fowl, etc.

[from occupied ga]

I suggest you read Beaudette's book and learn about that evidence instead of bloviating.

So anyone who disagrees with you is bloviating. What an arrogant attitude. Not content to simply disagree you have to work in an insult in your post as well. Tell me do you believe in 100 mpg carburetors?

[ZX12R]

Wanna buy a used car powered by LENR?

[expat2]

You are nuts to say that my “science is flawed”. I am a far better scientist that you can ever be.

[count-your-change]

“As a matter of research for its own sake, cold fusion passes the test,...”

I've changed no goal posts, and the phrase is still “chickens come home to roost”, not ducks.

[William Tell]

Wonder Warthog said: "Whether Rossi is a fraud or not is now irrelevant to the scientific validity of LENR. "

I don't think this was true about a year ago. What changed?

Rossi's work was positive proof of LENR and Rossi's developments in commercializing it would convince the world. What happened?

[arthurus]

I am surprised the Israelis have not been more active in cold fusion

How do we know they aren't?

[jjotto]

Energetics Technologies of Israel

[Toadman]

"I have my doubts IF LENR will ever work..."

I'm the same way. I keep myself highly skeptical with the hope I'm proven wrong.

If corporate Toyota is pursuing this, I remain hopeful. However, mentioning Rossi in any article does not help LENR's cause.

[wizr]

Thanks. Science was not my forte.

[Wonder Warthog]

"You are nuts to say that my “science is flawed”.

The criterion for scientific validity is replication by an INDEPENDENT laboratory. During that period in history, and in the field of biology, there WERE no independent laboratories in the Soviet Union. And yes, your "Scientific example" IS flawed.

"I am a far better scientist that you can ever be."

Really. How long have you been "doing science", what sort, and what have you done?? For me, forty years, instrument R%D, 24+ patents, and a similar number of referred publications, plus two R&D 100 awards.

[Wonder Warthog]

"So anyone who disagrees with you is bloviating. What an arrogant attitude. Not content to simply disagree you have to work in an insult in your post as well."

I believe you've been on many of these CF threads. If, at this point, you haven't taken the time to examine the evidence, you deserve to be insulted.

"Tell me do you believe in 100 mpg carburetors?"

No. But I do believe in well-done scientific studies.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I've changed no goal posts....

Sure you did. You said that CF has to "produce something of use". Science has no such requirement. Engineering, OTOH, does.

.....and the phrase is still “chickens come home to roost”, not ducks.

Your statement was "...ducks don't roost, chickens do". I don't see anything there about "the phrase is". But nice try at changing the focus.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I don't think this was true about a year ago. What changed?"

For me, precisely nothing. If Rossi turns out to be true, well and good, and the world will benefit. If he turns out not to be, LENR is still there, and still valid science.

"Rossi's work was positive proof of LENR and Rossi's developments in commercializing it would convince the world. What happened?"

If you'll look back at what I have consistently posted on these threads, you will find that I NEVER made such a statement.

[count-your-change]

Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters.