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Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to 'co-opt the mantle of victimhood' from Trayvon Martin
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | December 10, 2012 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 12/10/2012 12:36:19 PM PST by Uncle Chip

Edited on 12/10/2012 2:31:37 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

In a blistering response to a recent filing by George Zimmerman's defense team, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda accuses the second-degree murder defendant of attempting "to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself."

Zimmerman's legal team had asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to force an attorney for the family of Trayvon Martin, the Miami Gardens teen shot by Zimmerman Feb. 26 in Sanford, to turn over a recorded interview of a witness described as the teen's girlfriend.


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Witness 8 is a key witness for the state. State surrogate Crump and his cohorts have claimed that she was a 16 year old minor on the day she was interviewed by Crump, but in her state deposition taken by Bernie she said that she was 18 years old on that day.

It seems that both Bernie and Crump have been doing the historical revisions. According to Crump's interview on HLN last night he said his recording device had already been turned over to FDLE. What's up with that, Bernie???

1 posted on 12/10/2012 12:36:22 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Wait a minute!

If we follow the logic of Bob Costas,shouldn't it be Zimmerman's GUN on trial?

2 posted on 12/10/2012 12:38:24 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Hey, take a look at NOT the victim!

3 posted on 12/10/2012 12:38:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Uncle Chip

Every prosecutor on the team deserves to be disbarred, based on what I’ve seen thus far. This is Duke Lacrosse all over again.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 12:42:22 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Uncle Chip

The prosecutor is trying desperately to save his own a$$.


5 posted on 12/10/2012 12:43:13 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Damn hard to think of a reason the defense should not have full access to a recording of an interview with a witness.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 12:44:33 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: pogo101

New word to add the English lexicon: he or she has been “Duked” or “we’re gonna “Duke” you” -


7 posted on 12/10/2012 12:47:16 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Uncle Chip
The entire point of the trial is to determine whether Zimmerman is a victim or a murderer.

He begins with a presumption of innocence.

8 posted on 12/10/2012 12:49:45 PM PST by wideawake
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To: SkyDancer

Actually, the term coined at the time and subsequently defined in the Urban Dictionary is “Nifonged.”

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nifonged

To be unjustly prosecuted by a politically motivated District Attorney.


9 posted on 12/10/2012 12:51:49 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: pogo101

From the ACLU’s website.

“Racial Profiling” refers to the discriminatory practice by law enforcement officials of targeting individuals for suspicion of crime based on the individual’s race, ethnicity, religion or national origin. Criminal profiling, generally, as practiced by police, is the reliance on a group of characteristics they believe to be associated with crime”

Since Zimmerman is not a law enforcement officer I doubt he could be “profiling” anyone. This is just de la Rionda trying to taint a jury which is unethical. But ethical does not seem to be a guiding principal in Sanford Florida.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 12:54:00 PM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Randy Larsen

The prosecutors are trying to save the city of Sanford the cost of cleaning up after racial riots by framing an innocent man.

The world may be better off without Sanford and their framing prosecutors.Fearing black retribution over the killing of a scumbag is no way for a town to survive.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 12:54:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Uncle Chip
"'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first - verdict afterwards.'"
--Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
12 posted on 12/10/2012 12:54:59 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: massmike

It’s already serving its sentence in the evidence locker without the possibility of parole.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 12:56:47 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: abb

Okay, works for me. But how many people remember his name vs how many know Duke and what happened there. I think those eighty some odd prof’s who signed that letter are still tenured.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 12:57:48 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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Bernie’s responses to the defense’s motions are here:

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/


15 posted on 12/10/2012 1:01:50 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s against the legal code of conduct for a DA to make public statements which can affect the impartiality of the jury pool.

Basically, a prosecutor has to keep his/her mouth shut, and save it for the trial.

We learned (or didn’t learn) the damage a DA can do by watching Nifong prep a lynch mob.

Don’t they have rules of conduct in Florida?

Or did Nifong move there and start giving lessons?


16 posted on 12/10/2012 1:07:38 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to ‘co-opt the mantle of victimhood’ from Trayvon Martin”

No co-opting is necessary when one -is- the victim of an attack.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 1:11:22 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Uncle Chip
Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to 'co-opt the mantle of victimhood' from Trayvon Martin

Well, I'm glad that somebody finally "gets it"!

18 posted on 12/10/2012 1:19:12 PM PST by The Duke
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To: CondorFlight
It’s against the legal code of conduct for a DA to make public statements which can affect the impartiality of the jury pool.

The DA in this case doesn't have to. He has surrogates in the form of Crump, Parks, and Jackson who are in touch with him daily and do all of that for him. Crump is the state's unofficial mouthpiece.

19 posted on 12/10/2012 1:22:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Okay.

I've read a couple of the State's responses to motions filed by Zimmerman's attorney. I decided to stop when I came across this statement in the State's Response to Defendant's Motion to Take Additional Deposition:

"[Zimmerman] then followed Trayvon Martin even though he was told by the SPD operator not to follow the Victim."

What the dispatcher actually said when Zimmerman said he was following Martin was:

"OK we don't need you to do that."

The City of Sanford has stated in writing that the dispatcher's statement was not an order.

Nobody ever told Zimmerman not to follow Martin, yet the prosecutors repeat this lie in pleadings.

21 posted on 12/10/2012 1:25:20 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip


22 posted on 12/10/2012 1:25:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Uncle Chip
In a blistering response to a recent filing by George Zimmerman's defense team, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda accuses the second-degree murder defendant of attempting "to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself."

Regardless of my thoughts on the specific case, I would find this comment unprofessional at best. The prosecutor's job is to select the appropriate charge for an alleged crime, and to present the evidence truthfully in order to prove the allegations based on evidence. Playing public relations games is, to put it mildly, disgustingly inappropriate.

Further, when the defense argument is based on self-defense, the defense is supposed to take on "the mantle of victimhood". If Trayvon Martin threw the first punch, and it looks like he threw the first dozen or more punches, then George Zimmerman was the victim, and it is entirely appropriate for him to take on "the mantle of victimhood". If George Zimmerman was in danger of death or serious bodily harm, then it was appropriate for him to shoot his attacker in order to stop the threat. If not, then it is the prosecutor's job to (despite a complete absence of reliable witnesses for that assertion) prove that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin and that Zimmerman was not in danger of death or serious bodily harm when he shot Trayvon Martin - and to prove both in a court of law, not on some talk show. I hope this prosecutor will lose his job, be sued for everything he has, and then be prosecuted for criminal misconduct.

23 posted on 12/10/2012 1:27:30 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SkyDancer

“New word to add the English lexicon: he or she has been “Duked” or “we’re gonna “Duke” you” -”

I think they already added, “Being Trayvinn’ed”


24 posted on 12/10/2012 1:28:07 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Mmmm, still not as catchy as being “Duked” - “OMG!!! I’ve been Duked!” - see how that works? Being Trayvinn’ed sounds like you’ve been smacked with a food tray or something.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 1:33:23 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Hey Bernie!

Is THAT your job?

Controlling the distribution of “Mantles of Victimhood”?

Or, are you worried that your prosecution is politically motivated, and substantively unfounded under the law, and the rules of evidence?


26 posted on 12/10/2012 1:34:49 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Scoutmaster

That prosecutor lie is also slapped down in #2 here:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1212/zimmerman_reply_to_resp_to_motion_for_deposition.pdf


27 posted on 12/10/2012 1:39:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

George Zimmerman is not only the victim of Trayvon Martin, he is also the victim of the State of Florida, the political hack republican Angelo Corey, and the cowardly republican Governor Rick Scott.

Florida republicans are a particularly yellow breed indeed.


28 posted on 12/10/2012 1:39:49 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Pollster1
Further, when the defense argument is based on self-defense, the defense is supposed to take on "the mantle of victimhood".

Zactly --

29 posted on 12/10/2012 1:43:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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Does Bernie trust Benjamin Crump enough to make the requested representations in paragraph 2 below:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1212/zimmerman_reply_to_states_response_to_motion_to_compel.pdf

or will he try to weasel out of it in court tomorrow.

Developing .....


30 posted on 12/10/2012 1:54:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Well DUH!
His claim from the beginning is self defense which would make him the victim.
A good deal of the evidence actually supports that claim


31 posted on 12/10/2012 1:54:29 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Disbar these political witchhunters


32 posted on 12/10/2012 2:03:52 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: Uncle Chip
Interesting. The state bloviates non-stop about the defense filing the motion, then proceeds to quietly deliver the object the motion requests. De La Ronda knows he got his tit caught in a wringer, and he’s frantically looking for someone to blame for it.

Playing to the crowd, trying to polute the jury pool... not going to work.

33 posted on 12/10/2012 2:06:45 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Uncle Chip
Hey,Bernie...

plus

equals NOT GUILTY!

34 posted on 12/10/2012 2:08:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Instead of the prosecutor looking at the case from the standpoint of wanting “justice” to be done, they have become so immersed in the media circus that they believe they have too much at stake to lose if they do not prosecute Zimmerman AND find him guilty.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:05 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Williams

The prosecution gave them one the was barely understandable, and had multiple edits. They’re getting busted for that, rightly. The defense is entitled to the whole thing, or witness eight needs to go in the round metal file.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:20 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: dblshot

It’s been a while, but I seem to recall “profiling” being one of the elements of second degree murder. He’s hoping that if he keeps repeating it often enough....


37 posted on 12/10/2012 2:23:33 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Rules please:

Can we use George Z and T Martin.

I’m sick of seeing the victim as last name only and the thug as first name.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 2:31:54 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: Uncle Chip; All

BernieDLR is Tobias Funke playing prosecutor. He wants to be the analrapist for GZ

GZ is the victim in this case...as he was attacked by Trayvon


39 posted on 12/10/2012 2:32:06 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Uncle Chip

Per the link below, and interview with Crump, about his Dee Dee conversation is part of the state’s evidence.

I’m no lawyer, but it seems that the door is wiiiide open to ask for the Dee Dee tape.....rather than just listening to Crump’s second hand (third hand?) account.


40 posted on 12/10/2012 2:32:54 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I love paragraph 7 in that response. “Put up or shut up”. He’s baiting them.


41 posted on 12/10/2012 2:37:04 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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Note: These prosecutors are not from Seminole County....they were brought in from Duval County (Jax) by Gov. Scott and AG Bondi. The State Atty in Seminole was removed from case


42 posted on 12/10/2012 2:37:57 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Scoutmaster

Perhaps just as important...after told ‘we don’t need you to do that’, Zimmerman did in fact stop following Martin. You can hear his heavy breathing stop; and, he turns his attention to giving the dispatcher directions on where to find him.

Not only is it incorrect to state that an ‘order’ was given...its complete fantasy that he disobeyed the phantom ‘order’.

He’s on the neighborhood watch, and, gasp, he follows a stranger in the complex...and this vigilante calls the police. Then he does exactly what the dispatcher tells him to do.

I wonder if Zimmerman had been beaten to death, with Martin’s identity unknown...would the headline be:

“Young Hispanic Man Beaten to Death in White Neighborhood”.


43 posted on 12/10/2012 2:42:19 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Zimmerman’s response to the dispatcher (not an LEO) was “OK.” People assume that Z continued to follow Martin, but is that in fact true? Martin was bashing Z’s head against a concrete sidewalk and not soft grassy turf. The evidence is clear. Therefore I can only assume that Z left the site and was returning to his car parked along the sidewalk. Martin turned around and approached Z from behind and initated the attack which ended up with Zimmerman on the ground/sidewalk with his nose broken and his skull cracked.


44 posted on 12/10/2012 2:43:48 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: lacrew

I’m new in my law school career, but with regards to the discovery process, I don’t even think the courts allow to admit a third hand account. A lawyer’s interpretation of the an interview with a third party would be considered work product, if I’m not mistaken. However, maybe since Krump is not actually involved in this trial from a legal standpoint, then they could admit his testimony regarding the DeeDee interview.

Either way, I’m pretty sure if they are going to use the DeeDee evidence, that have to provide the actual conversation to the defense team, and not just Krump’s account.


45 posted on 12/10/2012 2:52:59 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: ArmyTeach

Check this breakdown out. It has the timeline combined with the phone call.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back


46 posted on 12/10/2012 2:54:59 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: ArmstedFragg

<>He’s baiting them.<>

And he’s doing the same thing here with regard to the recording:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1212/zimmerman_reply_to_states_response_to_motion_to_compel.pdf

Bernie’s about to have a religious experience: Confirmation Day

Will he or will he not confirm what he knows that Crump has been monkeying with???


47 posted on 12/10/2012 2:58:56 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

OS wanting money now to read their articles.
Too bad, I’ve linked a lot of folks to their pages...no more.


48 posted on 12/10/2012 3:12:09 PM PST by kanawa (FB-- Save George Zimmerman from racial onslaught)
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To: ArmyTeach; lacrew
In O'Meara's cross-examination of Inspector Dale Gilbreath at a bond hearing, Gilbreath admits that the State has no evidence to dispute Zimmerman's statement that he headed back to his truck.

In the same hearing prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda states that Martin bought a can of tea at the 7-11 and Gilbreath agrees, under oath. We know Martin didn't buy tea.

49 posted on 12/10/2012 3:12:34 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip

If the shoe fits.........


50 posted on 12/10/2012 3:13:27 PM PST by Reagan's My Hero
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