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Glenn Beck Defends Gay Marriage: Republicans Need To 'Expand Our Own Horizon'
Business Insider ^ | 12/11/2012 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 12/11/2012 9:48:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Conservative firebrand Glenn Beck has joined a growing chorus of Republican commentators in defending gay marriage, laying out a strong case for ending government opposition to letting same-sex couples wed.

"Let me take the pro-gay marriage people and the religious people — I believe that there is a connecting dot there that nobody is looking at, and that's the Constitution," Beck said during a recent segment of his online talk show. "The question is not whether gay people should be married or not. The question is why is the government involved in our marriage?"

While Beck's defense of gay marriage may seem surprising, given his far-right political views and audience, it is actually not new. Earlier this year, Beck said that he has the "same opinion on gay marriage as President Barack Obama" and does not see same-sex unions as a "threat to America."

Still, Beck's public renewal of his support for gay marriage comes at a politically significant moment for the GOP, which is working to reshape its message to appeal to a changing electorate. A Gallup survey released last week found that 53 percent of Americans are in favor of legalizing gay marriage, a number that has been steadily growing for the past decade.

Moreover, by couching his support for gay marriage in a libertarian framework, Beck makes the case for the right to look past differences on social issues in order to broaden their coalition to include all limited government conservatives.

"What we need to do, I think, as people who believe in the Constitution, is to start looking for allies who believe in the Constitution and expand our own horizon," Beck said. "We would have the ultimate big tent."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beck; bipolar; defends; expand; gaymarriage; glennbeck; gop; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; horizon; republicans
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To: little jeremiah

Here is your beloved GOP...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMf8qINQXYl

The fix is in.

Take some time and seriously consider how happy you have been with the GOP.

Reagan shouldn’t have ever happened, the RNC sabotaged his efforts for decades before he got the nomination...then what did they do...they saddled him with George H (Progressive).

Then we get George W - who is 100% responsible for Obama and 100% for Obama going hog-wild bypassing every check and balance in our system. George W owns that because he did all the same stuff and once both parties do it...to hell with the Constitution and the rules...it becomes precedent and allowed.

Just look at Obamacare, SCOTUS declared it a tax, ALL taxes have to start in the House...oh well not anymore because the POS Boehner doesn’t have the balls to stand up and force the issue.


301 posted on 12/11/2012 7:49:28 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: little jeremiah

And here is the fix to ensure that we NEVER have a valid election again!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-11/u-s-should-consider-automatic-voter-registration-holder.html

And the GOP along with Boehner and McConnell will accept this and stand with these criminals.


302 posted on 12/11/2012 7:52:27 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer

You sound like a libertarian. You make many of the same arguments they do. If the shoe fits...

You again wrongfully assume that I want the gov to do something for me.

Your cognitive thinking skills need polishing. You still did not address any of the points I made in both my comments to you.

Simply put: Human beings need government of some sort or they descend into robber baron-ism, aka as “the biggest dog makes the rules”.

A fedgov adhering to the duties for said fedgov as detailed in the Constitution would be a very good method. I think we should try it.

Spouting about “getting the government out of private lives” is the Beavis and Butthead philosophy of governance.


303 posted on 12/11/2012 7:53:45 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: surfer

Trying to discuss with you is like trying to have a conversation with a schizophrenic who is hearing voices.

Beat straw men to death with someone else.

You’re boring.


304 posted on 12/11/2012 7:55:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ansel12
What if their church or religion says they can?

This question does not make sense - a man cannot be a wife and a woman cannot be a husband. That is language. Their church or religion can also declare the sun rises in the west and sets in the east - that doesn't make it so...unless they are on Venus.

305 posted on 12/11/2012 7:55:44 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: OldGoatCPO
Just a reprubate mind,When people can’t tell right from wrong anymore,we are in big trouble.
306 posted on 12/11/2012 8:00:40 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: OldGoatCPO
Just a reprubate mind,When people can’t tell right from wrong anymore,we are in big trouble.
307 posted on 12/11/2012 8:05:00 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Don’t get into the theology of your own religion.

If marriage is defined by individual religions, then everything goes.


308 posted on 12/11/2012 8:14:30 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Oh give me a break.

Why?

309 posted on 12/11/2012 8:16:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The Obamanation has had me in a perpetually cranky mood for sure.

Now I can identify with this!

I'm no longer perpetually; just plain ol' cranky.

I think the loss of this election has don't Conservatives a LOT of good!

It has refocused a lot of our eyes on the eternal; where they should be all along; and away from the temporal; which is going to pass away some day anyway.

310 posted on 12/11/2012 8:19:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I think anyone obsessed with any single issue is mentally unstable.

I see two problems:

1. Why do you judge the poster to be OBSSESED?
2. Why do you think it's a SINGLE issue?

311 posted on 12/11/2012 8:21:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Beck defends Gay Marriage.I see a lose in money and friends.Elect me Fatima,I like me and trust me.


312 posted on 12/11/2012 8:24:25 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Resolute Conservative

This world is not my home,
I’m just a passin’ thru...


313 posted on 12/11/2012 8:28:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: surfer
Reagan shouldn’t have ever happened, the RNC sabotaged his efforts for decades before he got the nomination.

What decades, what sabotaging?

314 posted on 12/11/2012 8:29:36 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Theo
I’m not even sure Beck himself believes this.

Then get more informataion and be SURE instead of guessing.

315 posted on 12/11/2012 8:30:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: little jeremiah

spoken like a true progressive.


316 posted on 12/11/2012 8:31:36 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: little jeremiah

lol...I just think the role of government is at the state level not one monolithic federal government that progressives love.

The progressives scream diversity but they turn and crush it every chance they get!


317 posted on 12/11/2012 8:33:43 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: little jeremiah

Answer one question...

Do you think the tax code should be used to modify one’s behavior?


318 posted on 12/11/2012 8:34:34 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: primrose
Just a reprubate mind,When people can’t tell right from wrong anymore,we are in big trouble.

I read something like that; somewhere...




2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

319 posted on 12/11/2012 8:34:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: surfer

It is good that you are not a libertarian.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


320 posted on 12/11/2012 8:36:08 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: ansel12

Read the history of Reagan, what his challenges were and exactly how he ended up with the nomination.

The GOP establishment absolutely did not nor did they support Reagan and in fact even today they work diligently to diminish anything he did.

If you want to see some interesting history...read about what happened to Reagan when he said he going after the Federal Reserve.


321 posted on 12/11/2012 8:36:32 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer

LOL, look it up yourself.

I merely asked you to explain your statement, not give me permission to read history and biographies.

“”Reagan shouldn’t have ever happened, the RNC sabotaged his efforts for decades before he got the nomination.””

What decades, what sabotaging?


322 posted on 12/11/2012 8:43:27 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: SeekAndFind

Beck has lost it.


323 posted on 12/11/2012 9:32:52 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Theo

Yea, and I am offended by people who worship Beck.


324 posted on 12/11/2012 9:50:46 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: loboinok

Mark


325 posted on 12/11/2012 9:55:45 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

People as expressed by Beck seem to believe all natural and historical people relationships are to be defined by what people care to believe. Using Beck and like person’s mentality I would have no problem defining a tree as nature’s penis of one kind or another. I used to have a warm spot for Beck in my mind but have come to be very leery of his societal verbiage.


326 posted on 12/11/2012 10:15:12 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

That’s the underside of the Libertarian platform: “look ma, no morals.”


327 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:45 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: surfer

1. There should not be a tax code. No IRS, no income taxes. Should be repealed.

2. But since there is, currently, a tax code, faggots should not ever have the status of a married couple (husband and wife), under any circumstances whatsoever.


328 posted on 12/11/2012 10:45:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ansel12

I wouldn’t support any of that at the Federal level whatsoever...however I think the states can’t do what they want to do.

I think this is a really important piece of the puzzle, without the freedom of the states to try their stupid ideas we will ALWAYS be forced by the federal government to suffer uniformly under their stupid ideas.

Let’s the states try anything they want and when they fail miserably at competing, etc...problem solved they just go away.


329 posted on 12/12/2012 3:56:49 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Salvation

Did he ever HAVE it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USpeolBTKIo


330 posted on 12/12/2012 4:22:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: surfer; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl; ...
You know there was a time when man was truly free in America before all of these absurd laws

That's just a blind reading of history, surfer. Until very recently, homosexuality has always been illegal in America.

If you're going to come up with these theories, then you should force yourself to recognize the actual facts of the situation you face. The Federalists, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, et al, participated in the criminalization and punishment of deviant sexuality.

They saw absolutely no contradiction.

Fighting Disease has ALWAYS been recognized as Defense of the homefront. This is not some bizarre new theory.

331 posted on 12/12/2012 4:47:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Theories?

The entire issue has to do with federal versus state - that’s it.

I could care less if a state made anything legal or illegal, their decisions would drive the ultimate fate of that state.

We would have choices - if your state made a law you don’t agree with you could move. Whenever we want a top down enforcement from the federal government we end us losing.

You are so stuck with your hatred you can’t see straight nor see the simple point that has been made.

The reason you are big government is because you think the federal government should enforce the things YOU WANT them to enforce. I DON’T WANT the federal government enforcing ANYTHING I want. The states can do whatever they want.


332 posted on 12/12/2012 4:58:04 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Salvation

Beck just threw all his Christian evangelical supporters under the bus.....
This will not fly.

Man will always disappoint....God will not.


333 posted on 12/12/2012 5:11:05 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: Salvation

Beck just threw all his Christian evangelical supporters under the bus.....
This will not fly.

Man will always disappoint....God will not.


334 posted on 12/12/2012 5:11:16 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: surfer; little jeremiah; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; jazusamo; Alamo-Girl
That's crazy. The state can no more justly violate natural law than can the federal government.

I've heard that kind of gobbledygook thinking on these pages before. “Let the states decide abortion.” Baloney. They can no more unjustly take a human life than can the fed, the local, the school board, or the town cop.

Get a grip, surfer. You've got some kind of state-itist that ignores the big picture.

Do you think States should be allowed to decide if slavery is OK for their state?

335 posted on 12/12/2012 5:13:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; little jeremiah; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; jazusamo; Alamo-Girl

You would have flourished in the 1930’s in Germany.

You just don’t understand the implication of what you are asking for. IT WILL BE TURNED AGAINST YOU.

It’s coming and people like you will absolutely deserve the immense suffering you will receive from the very same people you are empowering and you will have NO place to go.

You are a short-sighted fool who completely ignores historical fact and exactly what is going on in this country. You have been played and you continue to be played.

You probably think the Patriot Act is a great thing, that George W was a great president.


336 posted on 12/12/2012 5:34:38 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: xzins

Hey genius what are you going to do when the federal government bans Christmas and anything else to do with the Christian faith?

Where are you going to go?

You going to submit or become a criminal?


337 posted on 12/12/2012 5:44:30 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: svcw

Of course, I don’t worship Beck.

I am, however, passionate about the truth. And stunned that so many members of The Stupid Party are active on FR. Falling for left-wing media smears ... pathetic.

Beck is not perfect. But he sure isn’t in favor of redefining marriage.


338 posted on 12/12/2012 6:07:11 AM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: presently no screen name
So you're the keeper of debauchery now too? Oooh, wouldn't it be easier if we just rounded em all up and killed em all.

lol, you authoritarian FReetards are so funny. People like you are why democrats get away with calling conservatives Nazis.

339 posted on 12/12/2012 6:09:58 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: Elsie

Elsie — I’ve appreciated your posts and comments about Mormonism.

I know Beck is a Mormon, and that is a big strike against him. That he has fallen for that hoax tells me that he lacks discernment.

That said, nothing I have heard from Beck tells me that he is in favor of redefining marriage. This article is simply a smear piece. Divide and conquer. And members of The Stupid Party have once again fallen for that tactic of destruction, as they did with all the decent Republican candidates in this last election cycle ...


340 posted on 12/12/2012 6:11:05 AM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: DBeers
Anarchy is as much an enemy of freedom as is tyranny. Do the Articles of Confederation ring a bell with you?

So government actually under the US consitution up until we started regulating marriage was anarchy? Another authoritarian conservative.

341 posted on 12/12/2012 6:12:03 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: surfer; little jeremiah; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; jazusamo; Alamo-Girl; ...
You would have flourished in the 1930’s in Germany.You just don’t understand the implication of what you are asking for. IT WILL BE TURNED AGAINST YOU. It’s coming and people like you will absolutely deserve the immense suffering you will receive from the very same people you are empowering and you will have NO place to go. You are a short-sighted fool who completely ignores historical fact and exactly what is going on in this country. You have been played and you continue to be played. You probably think the Patriot Act is a great thing, that George W was a great president.

I think you did not answer my question. Instead, you chose to engage in a personal attack.

Do you think states should have been able to decree slavery if they'd wished? Yes or No?

Refusal to answer the question can only be fear of answering, so your answer must be "yes". There is no good reason for anyone to fear saying "no" to that question.

That proves that you fit among those who misunderstand states rights. They don't have the right to violate natural law.

And natural law says that self-defense against enemies foreign and domestic is a legitimate function of the federal government.

If you would think about it for just a moment, you'd realize that your name-calling is evidence that you don't know how to respond to the points being made.

342 posted on 12/12/2012 6:15:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Theo

“Do you believe gay marriage is a threat to the country in any way?” O’Reilly asked.

“A threat to the country? No, I don’t,” Beck said

8/12/10

Beck said, “I have exactly the same opinion on gay marriage that President Obama has, unless he’s lying.”

1/6/12

If Beck is not in favor of homosexual marriage, then he sure acts like he leaning that way.


343 posted on 12/12/2012 6:32:54 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: surfer
I wouldn’t support any of that at the Federal level whatsoever...

What? Immigration, foreign affairs and defense spending, homosexualizing the military, the right to marry, and abortion, are "states rights" issues?

344 posted on 12/12/2012 6:39:43 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: kabumpo
That’s the underside of the Libertarian platform: “look ma, no morals.”

As opposed to government enforced morals - based on what? Catholics and Babtists probably have different interpretations of morals. Who gets to choose?

A question for those calling sodomy a sin. (I happen to agree with y'all) - Do any of you keep the Sabbath? I do. And every time God punished old testament Judah and Israel it was for idol worship and Sabbath breaking.

All sins are equal.

345 posted on 12/12/2012 7:00:37 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: xzins; surfer; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl
That's just a blind reading of history, surfer. Until very recently, homosexuality has always been illegal in America.

For good reason!

On a religious basis it is not acceptable behavior. It is in direct opposition to how we are supposed to try and live our lives.

From a secular view promoting a deviant unhealthy behavior as "good and normal" is self destructive. From a govt view, marriage is important because it creates the best structure for children to become part of the nation and to be sound citizens. Marriage creates a contractual arrangement that protects the family structure.

Homosexual marriage from a secular view does nothing for the benefit of a nation. Children are not born in a homosexual marriage. Children are not raised in an environment that leads to more children being born, instead they are adopted into the single sex environment and are taught this is normal.

If a govt does not actively pursue policies that keep the nation healthy and growing in time the nation will decline and be dominated by younger more aggressive nations. In this sense defending marriage as the union between a man and a woman is a defense issue.

The problem we have is a majority of the country has now bought into the idea that everything is okay "as long as you don't hurt anyone" and why should we treat homosexuality different than civil rights. As a religious people the answer is obvious. GOD tells us it is wrong and unnatural. However, the popularity of homosexual rights and marriage increasingly show we are not a religious people anymore.

346 posted on 12/12/2012 7:04:31 AM PST by wmfights
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

As a member of the libertarian party, you can hardly consider yourself Christian or conservative.


347 posted on 12/12/2012 7:12:47 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: wmfights; xzins; surfer; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; ...
The FACT is that governments have been issuing marriage licenses for eight centuries and they MUST continue to do so if for no other reason than the fact that divorce is a legal issue.

It is also a FACT that there are federal aspects to marriage whether people like it or not because people move from state to state.

Another FACT is the homosexuals have the exact same marriage rights as everyone else and they always have. There is NO LAW that prohibits homosexuals from being married. Moreover, it has ALWAYS been an option for homosexuals to enter into legal partnerships with each other.

Libertarians are the ultimate statists, they worship the utterly false idea of "states rights" and are all to happy to place these "states rights" over our rights. Under the libertarian mantra a state should have the "right" to allow incestuous marriage on any level, polygamy, infanticide and any other form of depravity it wants. The conservative movement needs to sever its relationship with libertarians and it needs to happen immediately.

348 posted on 12/12/2012 7:31:53 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Theo

I wish it were....
but there’s a recent link of video with Beck interviewing Penn Gilette and it sure sounds like Beck is OK with gay marriage....
Like you, I wouldn’t have believed it of Beck without hearing, seeing


349 posted on 12/12/2012 7:37:03 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: wmfights; surfer; wagglebee; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl; ...

Homosexual cultures must fail because they are self-indulgent and overlook stability. That is the case with our current American culture. The homosexuality is a blatant sign of self-indulgence, and the inability to reign in spending is one manifestation of that self-indulgence.

It is the drug addict spending every last dime on his self-indulgent addiction, and then begging, borrowing, and stealing when his resources are dried up to continue his self-indulgence.

Such a society is destined to fail.


350 posted on 12/12/2012 7:53:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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