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Rampage Shootings: It's the Moral Decay of Society, not Guns
Townhall.com ^ | December 15, 2012 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 12/15/2012 6:05:49 AM PST by Kaslin

It should come as no surprise that the rate of mass shootings at schools and in other public places is increasing. The surge has nothing to do with guns, which have been widely available in the U.S. for years. Gun control laws have been increasing. Instead, there is a direct correlation between the increase in violence and the gradual degradation of morals, ethics and parenting. We are cultivating mental illness in our society.

Parents are allowing television and video games to increasingly babysit their children, even though both have become full of gratuitous violence. A New York Times study of rampage killers found that six of them were into violent video games. Research shows that violent video games and television desensitize people and promote aggressive behavior, despite claims to the contrary. A research scientist at the University of Michigan found that television was responsible for 10% of youth violence. Parents today are neglecting their children, and when things don't go well, rushing to get divorced instead of trying to work things out first. Children suffer emotionally when their parents fight or split up. Parents are ignoring their children so much they don't even see the warning signs that something might be wrong. The New York Times study found that 63 of 100 rampage killers had made threats of violence before the event.

Parents are no longer taking their children to church, where they would learn stability and morals. Fewer than 20% of Americans now regularly attend church. Every year there are 3000 fewer churches across the U.S, even though the population is growing. God and morality have been taken out of the public schools and replaced with political correctness and non-judgmentalism. “Public virtues” are no longer taught in today's schools. People who do not attend church are more likely than churchgoers to have stress and to be less optimistic about the future. When parents split up and there is no father to take the children regularly to church, the children are much less likely to become regular churchgoers than if their mother regularly takes them.

The New York Times study found that at least half the killers in 100 rampage attacks showed signs of serious mental health problems. 48 killers were formally diagnosed with mental illness, often schizophrenia. The mentally ill used to be kept in hospitals, where they were not a danger to others. Beginning in the 1950s in California, the ACLU successfully filed lawsuits to take the mentally ill out of hospitals, known as “deinstitutionalization.” By the 1980s, most state-run mental health hospitals had closed.

Now, most of the mentally ill are out on the streets or in prison. The laws have been changed to state that the mentally ill cannot be hospitalized until they've already attacked someone. As a result, more mentally ill people are incarcerated than in hospitals, with the seriously mentally ill three times more likely to end up behind bars than hospitalized. More than half of all people in prison report that they have mental health problems, and more than 40 percent of the seriously mentally ill have been in jail or prison. A study at the University of South Florida found that the highest users of criminal justice and mental health services were 97 people who had been arrested 2,200 times. It is ludicrous that those 97 people are not contained for their safety and others in mental health hospitals.

The 22-year old Oregon shopping mall gunman who killed two people earlier this week is sadly typical of the rampage murderers the decay of society has spawned. He had this written on his Facebook page, "I'm the conductor of my choo choo train. I may be young but I have lived one crazy life so far." One of his friends said he raised himself; his mother died at childbirth, he never met his father, and he left his aunt's home at age 14.

The left will use the high level of emotion stirred up by this past week's two rampage killings to push through new gun control laws. Liberal New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called upon President Obama to enact tougher gun control laws immediately after Friday's mass shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut. Yet demanding more gun control laws will not solve anything. Gun control advocates have already increased the number of laws around the country requiring background checks, waiting periods for purchases, and tracking of firearms. Many of the rampage killers obtained guns illegally. If they can't obtain guns, deranged individuals will find other ways to commit mass murders – by setting fires, making bombs or running people over with vehicles. One day after the shootings in Connecticut, a man in Beijing stabbed 22 primary school students with a knife.

The left should not be allowed to dominate the dialogue after these tragic events with a red herring argument for gun control, in order to sneakily distract Americans from blaming them for what they have wrought. Americans who believe in traditional values must speak up and denounce the degradation of society's morals as the root of the problem behind these rampages, or the tragedies will continue to escalate.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; connecticut; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; liberalism; mentalillness; moralabsolutes; newtown; schoolshooting; secondamendment
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To: Kaslin
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51 posted on 12/15/2012 7:28:57 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: xzins
6. Should our media culture and its glorification of these acts of violence not be questioned about their participation in possibly pushing marginal sane/evil persons over the edge?

What we need is not Gun control, but maybe we should start with Game Control. And then maybe Hollywood control.

Fill people with images of glorified slaughter and it makes it a lot easier for them to later act on evil thoughts and intentions.

We need to call Hollywood on the carpet. They are poisoning our children's minds with glorified senseless violence and then when something like this happens they go out and stand next to their armed body guards and give some speech about how they want to take away everyone's right to protect themselves from the evil they have planted.

I suspect this POS had a hundred different first person shooter games at home and was an expert in all of them. I suspect that if we looked in his house we would find all sorts of movies that glorify senseless killing (Quentin Tarrentino style movies) and other forms of violent Godless pornography and I would also bet that you would not find a single Bible that was used for anything other than a door stop in the house.

You reap what you sow, and Hollywood and the Game industry clearly have sown the seeds of Evil in this nation. But it will be the guns that are blamed and not the evil POS who did this or the Greedy Hollywood hypocrites who sowed the seeds of violence in this monster's black heart.

52 posted on 12/15/2012 7:29:31 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

And in this way the destruction of moral society ties into the elitists plan to disarm a free people.


53 posted on 12/15/2012 7:32:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: BillyBonebrake
Photobucket This week here in Tampa, A female social worker went to a mentally challenged black mans home to help him with some legal papers.... he chased her down the street and stabbed her to death with a 10 inch butchers knife multiple times.... The media.... He couldn't help himself, he was off his meds.... Oh and he had a violent past....
54 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:29 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Servant of the Cross; xzins; wagglebee
The big difference is that the only one that would have any positive effect on reducing the violence would be an assault on 'Hollywood' 1st amendment rights to distribute filth.

I am not so sure that "filth" was ever intended to be protected by the first amendment. And neither were obscene or gratuitously violent images.

The first Amendment was instituted to mainly protect political and religious speech. It was not instituted to protect every kind of "artistic expression". But the protections of the first amendment when it comes to pornography and other soul destroying imagery has been expanded whereas the right to religious expression and the right to bear arms to protect yourself from monsters has been slowly but surely limited.

If Hollywood is going to lecture America on the Evils of guns, then we need to lecture Hollywood on the Evils of violent imagery and lay the blame for this tragedy at their feet.

55 posted on 12/15/2012 7:37:02 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: EEGator

Oh, dont get me wrong, that’s my view as well. I just wanted to point out how the sacred cow of the left (the entertainment industry) could easily be pegged for incidents like this because people can just blame those mediums for making killing seem so easy, but you will never hear one Dem raise a finger at them.


56 posted on 12/15/2012 7:41:57 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: FreeReign

Leftists now want to confiscate guns. But they refuse to examine other, possibly greater factors such as moral decay and use of psych drugs as a substitute for parenting. According to them, everyone should have free access to whatever medications a parent blindly chooses to have prescribed to their kids.

From a recent web blog:

“Here are the sad results. Eric Harris was on Luvox before taking part in the shooting at Columbine High School in April 1999. Fifteen-year-old Shawn Cooper fired on students and high school staff in Notus, Idaho in April 1999. He was taking an SSRI. Thirteen-year-old Chris Fetters of Iowa killed her favorite aunt. She was on Prozac. Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old, first shot his parents, then killed two and wounded 22 fellow students at Thurston High School in Oregon. He was taking Prozac.

Joseph Wesbecker was on Prozac when he killed seven people at a printing plant in Kentucky, before taking his own life. In September 1999, Buford O’Neal Furrow, Jr. fired 70 rounds at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Los Angeles wounding 5 people. A month earlier Mark Barton murdered his wife and two children and then methodically gunned down 21 people in two brokerage firms in Atlanta.

Jeff Weise was another school killer in Red lake, Minnesota. His dose of Prozac had just been increased to 60 mg daily. The story is the same - those involved were taking SSRI drugs. Since 1998, eight of the thirteen ‘school shooters’ were on psychiatric drugs. The records on the remaining five are sealed. Did the drugs cause the violence?

Ann Blake Tracy, PhD has studied Prozac for ten years. She researched 32 murder cases involving women and their children. In 24 of the cases, the women were taking Prozac or another SSRI.

Why isn’t this on the news? Perhaps because drug company advertising supports most TV and radio stations, newspapers and medical journals. Drug companies spend $11 billion a year on advertising. An article in California Lawyer, Dec. 1998, reported that Eli Lilly, manufacturer of Prozac, settled nearly a dozen cases involving Prozac out of court in one year. They did this to avoid unwanted publicity that would unleash an avalanche of Prozac horror stories.”


57 posted on 12/15/2012 7:43:42 AM PST by motoman
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To: P-Marlowe; Servant of the Cross; wmfights; wagglebee; blue-duncan; Jim Robinson

When you combine violent imagery, moral depravity/evil, marginal sanity, AND a 24/7 news cycle glorifying the perpetrator and providing him with lasting infamy, then you have a recipe that will insure these events are repeated.

And if you’re hoping to end the ownership of guns, hoping for the disarming of a free people, then you have a recipe for eventually accomplishing that, and you can accomplish it without fingerprints and with plausible deniability.


58 posted on 12/15/2012 7:44:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
At the time of this rampage he was not a human being. Human beings have hearts. Monsters and demons lack any such characteristic.

You are exactly right. It is as if Satan himself was pulling the trigger. You cannot give an earthly explanation or motive for evil like this.

And in this season of Advent, the ONLY word to say is ... REPENT!

59 posted on 12/15/2012 7:45:44 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: P-Marlowe; DBeers; xzins
I agree with this. It is at least as constitutionally valid a restriction on 'free speech' as are laws which prohibit yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theatre.

AND (apologies for the tangent) .... a federal law, which defines 'Marriage' as between a man and a woman, historically "self evident to all but the intentionally or ignorantly blind", should also pass Consitutional muster.

... "stop government at all levels from imposing the absurd instead of protecting the proven". FReeper DBeers

60 posted on 12/15/2012 8:00:13 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You raise a very good point, but you miss another one completely. In a different day and age, a mutant like that would never have been allowed to walk freely in society in the first place. People like him were the reason prison colonies were created, and why freaks were banished from a society as soon as they gave the first obvious signs that they were simply unfit to live among decent, law-abiding people.

One of the things nobody in law enforcement likes to admit openly is that there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do to deter a mutant who is hell-bent on mayhem and destruction and has every intention of dying in the process. The fear of hell used to deter some of these people who may have had a semblance of rational thought left in them, but we've legislated and medicated hell out of existence in this modern world. Incidents like this show that a fearful price is to be paid when we do this.

61 posted on 12/15/2012 8:04:50 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: motoman

Nobody in the media wants to take a deep look into how psychoactive drugs can change the personalizes of some individuals.

I’ve seen first hand how it can totally change the demeanor and behavior of the person taking them, and the next day the person doesn’t remember a thing.


62 posted on 12/15/2012 8:14:54 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

Yes, because:

Liberal Media = 1) free drugs as a substitute for parenting and 2)confiscation of guns from citizens

They’ll never let a liberal issue such as medicating children get in the way of their gun control agenda.


63 posted on 12/15/2012 8:26:16 AM PST by motoman
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To: VanDeKoik

Understood. Sorry if I sounded like an ass.


64 posted on 12/15/2012 8:28:17 AM PST by EEGator
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To: ABN 505

A criminal psychologist on Fox just called for identifying the dangerous psychotics before they explode. He says the ability does exist.

Would that our leaders listen. But, we know that message interferes with their ambitions and plans to seize more and more power over We The People.


65 posted on 12/15/2012 8:28:21 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: CaptainK

One more point for proper context - it is the very moral decay of our society that has led to an explosive increase in the demand for psychotropic prescription drugs by parents for their children. Not in every case, but where the casual knee-jerk decision to prescribe drugs by parents who rather not deal with other underlying societal, moral and cultural factors that their kids are being exposed to.


66 posted on 12/15/2012 8:33:10 AM PST by motoman
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To: EEGator

Naaaah! I just should have used a sarcasm tag to be more clear.


67 posted on 12/15/2012 8:38:50 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: baddog 219

68 posted on 12/15/2012 8:46:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Photobucket BRAVO!
69 posted on 12/15/2012 8:49:51 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: VanDeKoik

I might of had a bit too much coffee this morning, and I just finished finals. I’m strung a little too tight. :)


70 posted on 12/15/2012 8:59:43 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Kaslin
It should come as no surprise that the rate of mass shootings at schools and in other public places is increasing.

I saw a graphic today on an MSM channel that said that 2012 was the worst year ever for mass shootings. By liberal / MSM logic, since 0bama is President, he is responsible for these mass shootings ("it's all 0bama's fault").

Mr. President - when will you take responsibility for these shootings?

71 posted on 12/15/2012 9:00:20 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe if democrats and other liberals stop preaching hate, punching out conservatives and threatening “there will be blood” against anyone who doesn’t agree with them........


72 posted on 12/15/2012 9:07:50 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: txrefugee
"Kick God out of schools, and Satan moves in."

And.. Kick Presidents out of the White House, and a Godless celebrity moves in.

These shootings have reached a fever pitch since the GODLESS, LYING, CHEATING, CORRUPT regime took over.

73 posted on 12/15/2012 9:20:43 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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74 posted on 12/15/2012 9:38:49 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: ronnie raygun

“4 If you know your child has issues why do you have guns in the house?”

More than anything else, I think this will come into perspective as the critical element that provided Adam Lanza the spark to change from what he was in high school (a shy kid with Asperger’s syndrome) into a mass killer.

At age 20, he could not buy a handgun in Connecticut (not sure about the Bushmaster, but the answer is probably no for that, as well). Yet his mother had all these weapons available at home. We may never know her reasons, she isn’t here to explain herself any longer. Perhaps the ex-husband and brother will help with clarifying her reasons to own them.

There’s a good piece up on Drudge’s page that describes Adam in high school — awkward, shy, perhaps “developmentally disabled” but clearly not [completely] autistic. Probably nothing that would indicate future violent behavior. Not “normal”, per se, but not a nihilistic killer.

Something happened in the two years since he graduated. Pure speculation on my part, but I’ll guess that he didn’t try (or wasn’t able) to get a job after high school, and because of his disability, withdrew more into himself, perhaps into violent computer games and certain types of music that tends toward the dark and violent (I read that he was into something called “goth” music). Others have said that schizophrenia can begin to emerge in young men his age.

I can see a combination of various factors “pulling him downward” in the space between high school and yesterday. But again, without the close availability of his mother’s weapons, he and those he killed would be alive today. Would you keep your weapons within easy reach of an unstable family member? Or take appropriate action to secure them?

Did she not see him “slipping”? Guess we’ll never know.


75 posted on 12/15/2012 9:57:31 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Kaslin
"Parents are allowing television and video games to increasingly babysit their children, even though both have become full of gratuitous violence."

Haven't read posts on this thread so it may already be covered.

I understand that some video games that are particularly violent are used for training military.

If used for military training, what is it doing for, and to, kids?

76 posted on 12/15/2012 9:58:22 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Kaslin


77 posted on 12/15/2012 9:59:50 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: SaraJohnson

“..On and on...every aspect of humanity, culture and society has been tuned upsidedown...”
That was a highly insightful and a very well-put post, but I’d go further and state that society has been turned into evil. When you not only kick God out of every aspect of society, but in turn, shake your fist in His face, He obliges the free will choice of that society. He never forces Himself on anyone. He never changes. He did the same with a back-slid Israel over and over again in the Old Testament. He simply removed Himself and allowed their evil and their enemies to swallow them up. For America too, it’s especially bad because this nation was founded on His principles and concepts. Worshiped Him for who HE is. He had a guiding hand in it’s development because our founders welcomed Him into their presence and sought His guiding hand every step of the way (contrary to modern historian revisionism, another communist lie). America has known Him for a long, long time. Now, society despises His presence and everything related to Him; and He has quietly removed Himself. Without Him, that void is filled by the evil nature of man stoked up by Satan himself. This is a spiritual battle just as much as it is anything else.
The solution: II Chronicles 7:14
Will it happen? Can it happen? It’s our choice as a nation.


78 posted on 12/15/2012 10:02:18 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: P-Marlowe

***And then maybe Hollywood control.***

After the murder of Bobby Kennedy, the blame was laid on violent tv shows, comic books, pulp magaziines and movies.

Comic books changed their story lines. TV shows dumbed down to kiddie shows, pulp magazines toned down their covers, but them MOVIE INDUSTRY said they would police themselves.

A rating system would work! G M R X! Yes! That would do it!

HOT DA*N the HAYS code is dead! Produce’m boys!

The result was the most vile sex and blood films ever to come out of Hollywood. Produce an R rated movie for adults, market it to pre-teens! That was the way!


79 posted on 12/15/2012 10:07:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: Fraxinus
"I remember reading one book looking at what school shootings had in common. The three main things were age and gender of the gunmen (between 16-24), History of mental illness (generally schizophrenia and suicidal depression), focus on violence as proof of manhood."

Don't know where I heard/read this but I understand that males around 20 years old present schizophrenia, if they are going to present schizophrenia.

Something about young men in late teens/early 20's goes terribly wrong.

This horror, visited with evil, and a lot of other reasons, may take a long, long time to understand.

Maybe never but we have to try.

Guns themselves are not the problem. It takes someone to pull the triggers.

Why....

80 posted on 12/15/2012 10:15:55 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; xzins; wagglebee

Frankly I am shocked at some of the movies that get PG rating. Did you know that Midnight Cowboy was originally rated X? I’ve seen PG movies that are just as vile.

A lot of these new Hollywood movies and video games embrace evil and Satan and demons and engage is glorified violence simply for arousing prurient interests. Then when the effects of their artwork comes home to roost, they blame the weapons used by their creations rather than their constant bombardment of children with violent images, unnatural sex and the embrace of death and vampires and all manner of demonic activity.

These hypocrites all travel the country with armed body guards to protect themselves from the monsters they created. And they want to take away our right to defend ourselves from those monsters.

I think it is time we declared war on those who have declared a spiritual war on our children. Let them take the blame for poisoning the minds of little children and leading down the path to spiritual destruction.


81 posted on 12/15/2012 10:16:17 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Chickensoup

Say, were you not the one who said these non-war, U.S. mass shooting events in modern America, of the totally innocent, were common throughout the U.S. history? Did you not suggest these mass shootings were not increasing in frequency and severity?

Where did ya get that?


82 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: babble-on
no, it’s not that either.

That's not much of a babble, babble-on! Babble on, anyway!

83 posted on 12/15/2012 10:18:46 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: A CA Guy
"They could kill with a knife, car, bomb and so forth if you don't have guns."

Yes. Crimes involving guns went way down in UK after gun bans were enacted but crimes with knives, along with smothering, choking, poisonings, et al, went way up.

84 posted on 12/15/2012 10:21:39 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Kenny
"A friend of mine went on different shows talking about this, how they actually use some form of video games to train police and military."

That is what I understand, too, about video games training police, military.

These are the same type of videos in the hands of disturbed and/or impressionable kids.

85 posted on 12/15/2012 10:29:31 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: P-Marlowe

BTTT....


86 posted on 12/15/2012 10:32:04 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: lgjhn23

Thanks for that comment.

Guess what I learned about the killer: He was into liberalism’s “goth” sub-culture. That is the philosphy and ethics of Christianity turned up-side-down and named “entertainment.” The pure hatred of humanity and goodness is the goth mentality, style and “art.” The pose is depression and darkness and many young white people have been taken by it’s spirit.


87 posted on 12/15/2012 10:39:12 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Kaslin
Some resources on school threats for consideration. (There’s some old news here, but evil, terrorism and massacres never go out of style.)

Terrorists – coming to a school near you
Police ill-equipped to defend against an American Beslan
WND
Published: 04/02/2007 at 1:00 AM

Note: Killology Research Group website does not seem to still be actively updated.

Mass Slaughter In Our Schools: The Terrorists' Chilling Plan?
By Chuck Remsberg
Senior PoliceOne Contributor

School Safety Notes and Articles About School Safety by Col. Grossman
Preventing School Violence
School Shooting Contingency Plans & Considerations
”Preparing for School Attacks" published in The Police Marksman

School Safety Notes, Articles, And Links About School Safety by Other Authors
Rise in 'shool terror attacks' - New Important Article
A School Lockdown/Emergency Drill Success Story
Rapid Response/Active Shooter Lesson Plan
Safe 2 Tell

88 posted on 12/15/2012 10:53:15 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: JoeProBono

Scary...


89 posted on 12/15/2012 10:58:59 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: lgjhn23

BTTT....


90 posted on 12/15/2012 11:00:58 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird

“...Something about young men in late teens/early 20’s goes terribly wrong....”

They’ve been dumbed down, drugged, sissified and feminized all thru school while their bodies and hormones remain pure male with little or no outlet. They don’t know what or who they are, but they begin to realize the violent video games give them a sense of masculinity and an outlet to the point they carry out deeds like this to prove something to themselves and those that would have them remain sissified. It’s outright demonic. But would you expect anything less from the godless communist liberals?


91 posted on 12/15/2012 12:17:32 PM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: dragnet2

The links are below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

We in the states are pikers compared to the rest of the world.


http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Murder-United-States-History/dp/0786431504

This book explores these questions by examining 909 mass murders that took place in the United States between 1900 and 1999. By far the largest study on the topic to date, it begins with a look at the patterns and prevalence of mass murders by presenting rates from 1900-1999 and by describing the characteristics of mass killers. Placing the phenomenon within the broader social, political, and economic context of the twentieth century, the work examines the factors that have influenced trends in the prevalence of mass murder. It also discusses more than 100 case studies within three distinct periods of mass murder activity (1900-1939, 1940-1965, and 1966-1999) to illustrate more clearly the motives of mass murderers and the circumstances surrounding their crimes. The final chapters take a look at media coverage and the role it has played in the social construction of mass murder.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

The shooting spree that killed 12 people in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater on Friday has sparked a public debate about the availability of automatic weapons. Gun control advocates argue that mass murder is exceedingly difficult without them. One source told the Washington Post, “It’s kind of hard to be a pseudo-commando with a musket in the 18th century.” How did people commit mass murder before the advent of automatic weapons?

Often with fire. Revolutionary War veteran Barnett Davenport is widely considered the first mass murderer in U.S. history. On the evening of Feb. 3, 1780, Davenport burst into the bedroom of his employer, Caleb Mallory, and began to bludgeon Mallory and his wife with a club. When the club broke in two, Davenport beat the couple to death with Mallory’s gun. If Davenport had stopped there, he would be remembered as just an ordinary killer; most criminologists define mass murder as the killing of at least three people in a single incident. After beating the Mallorys to death, however, Davenport burned the house down, killing their three grandchildren.

Hundreds of other mass murderers have perpetrated their crimes without automatic firearms. Frenchman Pierre Riviere killed his mother, sister, and brother with a bill hook in 1835. In 1932, Julian Marcelino, a Filipino immigrant of relatively small stature, managed to kill six and wound 15 on a Seattle street using only a pair of blades. In 1915, Monroe Phillips shot seven dead and wounded 32 with a shotgun in Georgia.

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

The U.S. mass murder rate does not seem to rise or fall with the availability of automatic weapons. It reached its highest level in 1929, when fully automatic firearms were expensive and mostly limited to soldiers and organized criminals. The rate dipped in the mid-1930s, staying relatively low before surging again in the 1970s through 1990s. Some criminologists attribute the late-century spike to the potential for instant notoriety: Beginning with Charles Whitman’s 1966 shooting spree from atop a University of Texas tower, mass murderers became household names. Others point out that the mass murder rate fairly closely tracks the overall homicide rate. In the 2000s, for example, both the mass murder and the homicide rates dropped to their lowest levels since the 1960s.

A mass murderer’s weapon of choice depends somewhat on his victims. Attacks with guns, fire, knives, and bare hands are far more likely to be directed against family and acquaintances than total strangers, while mass murderers prefer to use explosives against people they don’t know. Also of note: Those who use firearms in a killing spree turn the gun on themselves 34 percent of the time, while only 9 percent of mass-murdering arsonists take their own lives.


92 posted on 12/15/2012 2:00:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: dragnet2

Nine hundred nine since I think colonial times.

Look at the wiki worldwide stats to be amazed


93 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:29 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: xzins
There is much at work here, and your post addresses most of it, in a far more analytic way than anything I've seen.

So much has happened in our society since the second World War, and it shouldn't take a student of history to understand how we have come to this place. We should all be able to realize what is happening here, but it is clear that not all of us do. If we as a society do not face today's realities, we will not survive.

94 posted on 12/15/2012 2:50:06 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Chickensoup

There is a term for it in various cultures.

AMOC

JURAMENTADO

BERZERKER.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 3:00:55 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: Dr. Ursus
This what happen’s when we a nation kick God out of our schools and take down the ten commandments,then some wonder what went wrong,
96 posted on 12/15/2012 11:00:15 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: hummingbird

There are tons of other boys like this one with equal potential to go off.
So when do we put them in a ward for life or castrate them so their hormones don’t send them over the edge?

We are so civil that we will not deal with the cause (crazies) and will continue to see mass deaths of the innocent so we can leave crazy people free.

That IMO is the way it is.


97 posted on 12/16/2012 7:04:38 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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