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A Smart Conservative Position on War on Drugs
Townhall.com ^ | December 16, 2012 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 12/16/2012 5:35:02 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: lentulusgracchus

No it’s not a good argument. It’s pathetic. The favorite tactic of the left is to resort to personal attcks when holding an opinion that cannot be supported by rational thought or facts.

You would fit in well over at DUmmyland.

And no, I don’t smoke marijuana and still find the WOD to be a monumental waste of resources, unconstitutional and an infringment upon personal liberty.

I will be sure to never post anything to you again. I respectfully ask that you do the same.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 11:56:18 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: lentulusgracchus
The first point is that the Constitution delegates no authority that I know of to the federal government to fight drugs. Therefore, it is a states' issue (10th Amendment).

The second point is that even at the state level, the war on drugs is futile (and unjust), does more harm than good, and should be abandoned or not taken up, IMO.

22 posted on 12/16/2012 12:30:21 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: lentulusgracchus

Okay, your response was just opaque enough to make no sense at all. Unless it was off-hand, care to elaborate?


23 posted on 12/16/2012 2:08:55 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Okay, your response was just opaque enough to make no sense at all.

No, it wasn't. It made perfect sense, but you had to come back with something.

You guys want to party with drugs and are desperate to convince the rest of us to slack off. You want what you want. You're like a bunch of 16-year-olds. End of discussion, your answer is NO, you can't have what you want, because there are still enough adults in the room to keep it from you. You'll have to go over to Barack and his pals to get what you want.

24 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:30 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: FerociousRabbit
No it’s not a good argument. It’s pathetic.

It isn't pathetic at all -- it's firmly rooted in the experience of societies that indulged that kind of mind-altering behavior, including our own before Prohibition. China ruined herself, and European drug-tolerant states (the Netherlands, Switzerland) don't exactly present a rosy picture of unrestricted or slightly-restricted drug use.

It's malum in se and a social evil; and you can't get around that.

I will be sure to never post anything to you again. I respectfully ask that you do the same.

Suit yourself, but this is an open forum, and anyone can post to anyone else about anything, within JR's rules.

25 posted on 12/16/2012 5:20:36 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Ken H
So where do you find it in the Constitution for the feds to regulate intrastate marijuana policies?

The drug trade is international, and the fraction of it that is not international, is for the most part interstate.

Even granting arguendo that you are correct and that the federal drug laws are unconstitutional, you still bear the burden of showing why an objectively bad thing should be cossetted and coddled by a society that doesn't want its kids turned into choom monsters by self-interested suppliers.

26 posted on 12/16/2012 5:28:09 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
So name which clause in the Constitution you believe authorizes fedgov regulation of intrastate marijuana policies.
27 posted on 12/16/2012 5:43:37 PM PST by Ken H
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To: lentulusgracchus

I wrote about legalizing hemp. You say I want drugs. The two are not the same. Hemp does not contain any more than a trace amount of THC.

Since hemp reduces the potency of marijuana, I have to assume that you are pro-marijuana, and that you want it full strength to get the drugs you crave. It is you that is a drug crazed, 16 year old Obama supporter.

Which explains your muddled thinking.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 7:20:06 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: lentulusgracchus
it's firmly rooted in the experience of societies that indulged that kind of mind-altering behavior, including our own before Prohibition.

Was Prohibition a good policy? Was our repealing it a mistake?

China ruined herself,

The USA never came close to that level of opiate use when it was legal here. (In fact, by the feds' own figures the percentage of addicts was lower then than now.)

and European drug-tolerant states (the Netherlands, Switzerland) don't exactly present a rosy picture of unrestricted or slightly-restricted drug use.

How do they not?

'Joao Goulao, Portugal's top drug official, said that before decriminalization "we had a huge problem with drug use ... around 100,000 people hooked on heroin."

'Then they started treating drug use more like a parking ticket. People caught with drugs get a slap on the wrist, sometimes a fine.

'Independent studies have found the number of people in Portugal who say they regularly do drugs stayed about the same. And the best news, said Goulao: "Addiction itself decreased a lot."

'At first, police were skeptical of the law, but Joao Figueira, chief inspector of Lisbon's drug unit, told me that decriminalization changed lots of minds.

'"The level of conflicts on the street are reduced. Drug-related robberies are reduced. And now the police are not the enemies of the consumers!"

'And teen drug use is down.'

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29 posted on 12/17/2012 9:18:22 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I wrote about legalizing hemp. You say I want drugs. The two are not the same.

Old ploy worn out by Woody Harrelson. They are the identical taxon; you admitted it. Legalization of hemp = legalization of marijuana, the moral/legal crack in the dike the Left wants, in order to break down resistance to full legalization of marijuana => full legalization of drugs = Nirvana.

Call me after you've graduated high school.

30 posted on 12/17/2012 11:53:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Was Prohibition a good policy? Was our repealing it a mistake?

It created a lot of problems, but it solved one problem that would have otherwise gone unaddressed: the incidence of alcoholism fell, and overall consumption fell. Patterns of consumption also changed; white liquors and wine almost went away, and the nation's drinkers rotated to beer and brown liquors.

America in 1934 was a lot less lush and drunken than America in 1914.

Prohibition broke the freedom of drunkards and alcoholics and put the whip in other hands, esp. those of women who were Not Amused by their husbands' recreant behavior.

'Joao Goulao, Portugal's top drug official, ....'

....is in the same position as a Clintonoid or Obamarrhoid SecDef who is called upon to defend either DADT in the first instance or its repealer in favor of open catamitism and barrack-room sodomy in the other.

He likes his job and he knows what the politicians want, so he's not the best guy to ask.

Oh, and btw, "subverted authority" is a legitimate debating technique. Unlike appeals to motive, ad-hom, and all the rest of the Leftist toolkit.

31 posted on 12/17/2012 12:03:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Such foolishness. Yes, technically a Wolf and a Chihuahua are both dogs, but cross breed them and you only get a mess.

Canada has legalized hemp production, and is expected to have 100,000 acres in industrial hemp being grown within the next two years; yet that has presented them with zero confusion about illegal marijuana.

Which means not only that your argument is foolish, but that you are stupider than a 16 year old Canadian.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 12:29:34 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Was Prohibition a good policy? Was our repealing it a mistake?

It created a lot of problems,

Did they outweight the (alleged) benefits?

but it solved one problem that would have otherwise gone unaddressed: the incidence of alcoholism fell,

More claims from you. I don't suppose I ought to hold my breath waiting for evidence.

and overall consumption fell. Patterns of consumption also changed; white liquors and wine almost went away, and the nation's drinkers rotated to beer and brown liquors.

America in 1934 was a lot less lush and drunken than America in 1914.

Yet another claim.

Prohibition broke the freedom of drunkards and alcoholics

And social drinkers.

and put the whip in other hands, esp. those of women who were Not Amused by their husbands' recreant behavior.

And you think this is conservative governance?

'Joao Goulao, Portugal's top drug official, ....'

....is in the same position as a Clintonoid or Obamarrhoid SecDef who is called upon to defend either DADT in the first instance or its repealer in favor of open catamitism and barrack-room sodomy in the other.

He likes his job and he knows what the politicians want, so he's not the best guy to ask.

What about Joao Figueira, chief inspector of Lisbon's drug unit, also quoted in favor of the new policy?

And what about producing any evidence whatsoever for your claim that "European drug-tolerant states (the Netherlands, Switzerland) don't exactly present a rosy picture of unrestricted or slightly-restricted drug use"?

Oh, and btw, "subverted authority" is a legitimate debating technique. Unlike appeals to motive, ad-hom

I searched and can find no evidence for your claim that "subverted authority" is a legitimate debating technique - nor for the implied claim that "subverted authority" is anything other than an ad-hominem appeal to motive.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 1:05:32 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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