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Boehner offers to take debt limit off the table
Washington Post ^ | 16 Dec 2012 | Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane

Posted on 12/16/2012 5:20:21 PM PST by Hoodat

House Speaker John A. Boehner has offered to push any fight over the federal debt limit off for a year, a major concession that would deprive Republicans of leverage in the budget battle but is breathing new life into stalled talks over the year-end “fiscal cliff.”

The offer came Friday, according to people in both parties familiar with the talks, as part of the latest effort by Boehner (R-Ohio) to strike a deal with President Obama to replace more than $500 billion in painful deficit-reduction measures set to take effect in January.

With the national debt already bumping up against the $16.4 trillion cap set last year, Congress risks a government default unless it acts to raise the debt ceiling in the next few months.

Many Republicans had argued that party leaders should use the threat of default to demand additional spending cuts from Obama. But Boehner’s offer would head off that potentially nasty fight — at least until the end of next year.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; boehnercollapses; boehnerfolds; debtceiling; fireboehner; fiscalcliff; loser; lott2; payupwhitey; traitor; whatshisprice
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ag, gotcha.


51 posted on 12/16/2012 5:44:39 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Navy Patriot

No...we are witnessing the DEATH of AMERICA...by the left...


52 posted on 12/16/2012 5:45:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Hoodat

The House conservatives will not allow this to pass. Boehner could not possibly have the votes. He will lose his Speakership.


53 posted on 12/16/2012 5:46:48 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Secret Agent Man

That, and forcing the “rich” to wear a star of davod on their outer clothing.


54 posted on 12/16/2012 5:47:32 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Hoodat

His ass has to be so sore he may never sit down again.


55 posted on 12/16/2012 5:48:04 PM PST by gotribe
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To: Hoodat

Only slightly off-topic -

Any doubt in anyone’s mind on how Boehner will treat any 2nd Amendment bill the Dems lay on his desk?

I have no doubt at all.


56 posted on 12/16/2012 5:48:30 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Hoodat

I was wrong, i expected Boehner and McConnell to learn from Bush 41 mistakes and not repeat them. Instead, Boehner is caving even more pathetically than Bush 41... and that’s saying something

The silver lining is, there should be a challenge to him as speaker

step one in republican renewal is to get rid of “leaders” who are weak sisters.


57 posted on 12/16/2012 5:48:30 PM PST by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: Hoodat

Can’t we somehow take Boner off the table?


58 posted on 12/16/2012 5:51:17 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: gotribe

I’m wondering WHAT dirt Obama’s minions could possibly have on him. Photographs of him leaving a seedy DC motel with a goat under his arm? He was reelected with 99% of the vote in his gerrymandered district. What could POSSIBLY make him do this?


59 posted on 12/16/2012 5:53:02 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

As the old saw goes, either a live boy or a dead hooker.

Wonder which one it is? Heh. Maybe both!


60 posted on 12/16/2012 5:54:16 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Hoodat
Republican_Spine.dll missing or corrupt... please insert disk with Republican_Spine.dll and press enter
61 posted on 12/16/2012 5:55:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Hoodat
oh well ... here you go Boehner ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr1bz877zE0
62 posted on 12/16/2012 6:00:21 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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this one is for Boehner also ... He may need more pictures to understand ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=OJYkmzx1Wl4
63 posted on 12/16/2012 6:06:58 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Feckless; All

“If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it” -Mark Twain


64 posted on 12/16/2012 6:07:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Hoodat
The Republic is lost.

Helloooooooo . . . . . . . . the Republic has been lost for the last 4 years. You just figuring this out??

Do you need more coffee?

65 posted on 12/16/2012 6:10:00 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Hoodat; All

Remember yesterday we had people on another thread claim that Boehner did not “cave” when he proposed the “tax on millionaires”?

I want to hear their PhonyCon RINO spin on this one

Boehner CAVED. Obama just ate his shorts.

The GOP is now just Democrat-Lite


66 posted on 12/16/2012 6:10:13 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Longbow1969
Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt.

That's about the size of it.

67 posted on 12/16/2012 6:10:55 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: RC one
better be for no AWB and no dream act.

You really ARE an optimist, aren't you?

68 posted on 12/16/2012 6:11:36 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: MHGinTN

We see it as incompetence, but it is really that he is being blackmailed having some very dirty history he doesn’t want outed.

That’s why its been so damaging not to use the committee structure and other normal legislative processes. Boehner thinks leading means he has to be in front of a microphone. That’s dumb. We are so far from having our best and brightest as our political leaders.


69 posted on 12/16/2012 6:13:56 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Hoodat
Boehner just folded. This was his ace in the hole, and he just surrendered it. The Republic is lost.

How many times have you said this in the past 18 months?

70 posted on 12/16/2012 6:14:04 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: Hoodat

Buck Foehner


71 posted on 12/16/2012 6:15:46 PM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: GeronL

You’re right. No deal sounds like a good deal.


72 posted on 12/16/2012 6:15:57 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Hoodat
Rush said it last week “the GOP will fold and no cuts in spending”
73 posted on 12/16/2012 6:18:19 PM PST by TYVets
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To: Hoodat

I have an idea. How about he forms a sort of, I don’t know, “Super Committee” that puts in some kind of arbitrary deadline to settle budget issues, and, if it doesn’t, then only things that Republicans care about will be affected (like massive defense cuts and huge tax increases implemented)?

Man, I should be in charge. I’m so brilliant.


74 posted on 12/16/2012 6:21:23 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Truth29

Any representative that votes for boner to be speaker is an enemy of conservative principles and should be challenged in the next primary.


75 posted on 12/16/2012 6:21:38 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: Hoodat
What a colossal waste of human flesh. He is the picture in the dictionary next to the word A$$HAT.
76 posted on 12/16/2012 6:22:48 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: eCSMaster

Agreed, this would be contrary to what he said in his press conference.


77 posted on 12/16/2012 6:23:23 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: madison10

“Boehner is a cowardly piece of work.”

You give him way too much credit!


78 posted on 12/16/2012 6:24:12 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: GeronL

It won’t be long before Bonehead surrenders on gun control and
amnesty, as well.


79 posted on 12/16/2012 6:24:43 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: The Working Man
Sometimes you just have to wonder, what does Obama have on these guys?

This is the only scenario that makes sense to me. They've got dirt on Boehner and are using it to blackmail him. It's got to be it because no one could possibly be this stupid. I can only hope that enough of the GOP House members vote down a debt ceiling increase. Please let your Congressman know how you feel about this and about Boehner in general.

80 posted on 12/16/2012 6:25:09 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: elpadre

No wonder Americans will blame the GOP.
Bonehead is out front on TV everyday.
Americans associate the cliff with Bonehead,
not Obama.
Bonehead is way over exposed and over his head.


81 posted on 12/16/2012 6:27:33 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Hoodat
Drudge is reporting the WH said no. I remember when the fiscal cliff was codified. The pubbies were so happy. They thought they had the dims. The vast majority of FReepers knew better. John, here are two plays for you to consider; Vote to extend the Bush tax cuts in toto and adopt the Paul Mac Penney plan. OR, go home. When the debt ceiling is reached, don't extend it. One more thing tell the WH to go to hell, publicly. I know it is late in your life but it is time to grow some. There is no such thing as good faith negotiations with democrats.
82 posted on 12/16/2012 6:27:57 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Hoodat

I wonder who is giving Boehner his orders? Who is Obama really negotiating with?

Was the fix in all along? Looks like this is complete surrender or the completion of an original plan.


83 posted on 12/16/2012 6:30:29 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

No he is a limp old prick.


84 posted on 12/16/2012 6:31:27 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Longbow1969
Obama ran on raising “Other Peoples” taxes. Of course, what goes around comes around...
85 posted on 12/16/2012 6:31:55 PM PST by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: Hoodat

Fire Bonehead now. Please! He’s an idiot and a traitor.

I shouldn’t be surprised though the GOP getting exactly what they want. This is why I am no longer a member of the Republican Party.


86 posted on 12/16/2012 6:32:16 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: clintonh8r

He will rely on Rat votes to pass, like he did on the debt ceiling.


87 posted on 12/16/2012 6:33:28 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Hoodat

Boehner may be the worst negotiator in the history of the world. Exactly what has Obama given in on? Exactly what does Boehner still stand for? Sadly, even a compromise would be splitting the difference between good and evil, but Boehner seems intent on surrendering to evil.


88 posted on 12/16/2012 6:39:23 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Huskrrrr

“There is no GOP. We are on our own.”

Oh, there is a GOP. It is the same one that helped perpetuate a rising debt and earmarks. It is the same one that chose Mitt. It is the same one that has helped erode the Constitution.

We are on our own. Have been for quite a while. People just live and vote as if the two parties matter... As long as they can polarize people into two parties, no one asks why the King has no clothes.


89 posted on 12/16/2012 6:40:34 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Bonehead would be over his head taking the trash out to the curb. The guy is negotiating with himself. He is not merely useless. He is destructive.


90 posted on 12/16/2012 6:41:50 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: Hoodat

Who is he to single handedly take these things off the table? He is but one solitary vote.


91 posted on 12/16/2012 6:44:14 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Hoodat

I’ve always thought Boehner looked pretty decent but if he can’t even cut the spending and our tax burdens (which are killing jobs and the economy), then we need to replace him. All taxes must originate in the House of Reps. We elected Boehner and the Republicans (so he has a majority). Why in the world is he caving in like a house of cards in a windstorm!?


92 posted on 12/16/2012 6:46:27 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: GeronL

Maybe he’ll call for an Obama dictatorship


My wife and I just left from a sports bar where the football game was pre-empted for Obama’s speech. I felt bad for the kids but then realized that midway through the first quarter of a football game would be the optimum time for the president to get props. Why else would people have a memorial on a Sunday night at 9PM? We left ASAP as the outdoor speakers were broadcasting his drivel feeling like we were living in the Soviet State of America or some Communist country.


93 posted on 12/16/2012 6:47:18 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: sanjuanbob

bump


94 posted on 12/16/2012 6:49:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hoodat
Good Cop/Bad Cop.

The DNC and RNC work as a team against the American people. It's all about THEIR OWN power and privileged lifestyles.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

95 posted on 12/16/2012 6:51:25 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Hoodat

I’m just wondering what the Good Speaker plans on doing with a fresh roll of thirty pieces of silver.


96 posted on 12/16/2012 6:55:28 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: Longbow1969; Hoodat
Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt. The American public is primed to blame Republicans if their taxes go up, and all the GOP feels it can really do now is avoid a catastrophic political defeat. The American people are simply NOT with us.

Correction, much less than half of the voting public voted Obama into office.

Many millions of eligible voters did not vote for President this election cycle.

If the GOP want's to win elections in the future, it will have to field candidates that are actually conservative and whose record isn't as left-wing as every current Democrat Senator such as Mitt Romney's was with his implementation of Gay Marriage, his support for the Gay Agenda, his support for Abortion, his support for Global Warming, his total lack of limited government credentials where his record is concerned, his repudation of Reagan, and his total inability to communicate conservative ideals.

The GOP and Independents are waiting for the GOP-E to quit playing games, close the primaries and nominate conservatives (Fiscal, Social, and Military) for a change, then our party has a fighting chance, NOT with crappy candidates like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Bob Dole, and half-conservatives like GWB. These are the type of candidates who long-term destroy our party.
97 posted on 12/16/2012 6:56:29 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: what's up

Is this borderline libel against Boehner by the Washington Post (Unnamed sources) or is the Speaker seriously folding? Let me guess, Super-Duper Subcommittee, FTW, lol. Will continue to wait, but its not looking good for the fiscally sane.


98 posted on 12/16/2012 6:56:29 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Ray76

The GOP is dead to me. Third party from here in.


99 posted on 12/16/2012 7:05:35 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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To: Hoodat

You know we’re doomed when a spineless worm like Boehner is the guy we’re depending on.

We’re screwed.


100 posted on 12/16/2012 7:07:35 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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