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Manchin on gun control: 'We need action'
CNN ^ | 12/17/2012 | Ashley Killough

Posted on 12/17/2012 8:16:39 AM PST by Qbert

(CNN) – Sen. Joe Manchin, a conservative Democrat from West Virginia and "proud gun owner," said Monday he believes last week's Connecticut elementary school shooting should be the tipping point in the debate over limiting gun rights.

"I just came with my family from deer hunting. I've never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don't get more than one shot anyway at a deer," Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "It's common sense. It's time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common sense discussion and move in a reasonable way."

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His tone sounds markedly different from one of his television ads as a Senate nominee in 2010, when he used a rifle to put a bullet through the Cap and Trade bill. He was serving as the state's governor at the time.

The senator was re-elected this year and doesn't face another election until 2016, giving him ample room to take political stances unpopular with his base.

Manchin pointed to Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, who announced Sunday she will re-introduce an assault weapons ban when Congress reconvenes in January.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; diannefeinstein; guncontrol; joemanchin; manchin; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
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Guns should only be used to shoot at cap and trade bills in campaign ads to fool people back home into believing you are a "conservative"...
1 posted on 12/17/2012 8:16:44 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

“a conservative Democrat”

Never heard that term before................is that even possible?


2 posted on 12/17/2012 8:18:43 AM PST by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Qbert

“I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip.”

Oh, how enlightened of him...considering it is probably a state hunting law that says you can’t have more than three rounds hunting deer—just like it says that in the KY hunting laws.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 8:19:06 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Qbert

crawl back into your hole manchin....another so called blue dog Dhimmicrat.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 8:19:41 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Qbert

“Sen. Joe Manchin, a conservative Democrat ... “

And I’m a blue-eyed baboon. It ain’t about huntin’ MSM.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 8:20:09 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: Qbert

Manchin must not know about crop damage permits to take deer in WV. I could only get two with a bolt action before the herd got into the woods. That’s why I bought a semi-auto.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 8:20:09 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Qbert

The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting, dufus.

I am certain sure that no gun ban would have prevented what happened last Friday.

But if you go up against a homicidal lunatic with hi-cap mags. and you only have three rounds, you’re chances of successfully taking him out before he perforates you are significantly diminished.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 8:20:37 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Qbert
Click image to download poster in PDF format

8 posted on 12/17/2012 8:20:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Qbert

Have to go see if Wally’s (Walmart) will close their gun department and/or stop selling ammunition.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:01 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Qbert

Wasnt that school in a ‘gun free’ zone?


10 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Qbert
I just came with my family from deer hunting. I've never had more than three shells in a clip."

The "common sense" discussion we need to have, Mr. Manchin, is that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with deer hunting.

11 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:09 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: WKUHilltopper

Not in WV.


12 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:30 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: V_TWIN

The last true conservative Democrat was Congressman Larry McDonald D-GA.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:36 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Qbert

“Action” generally means spending more of the people’s money as you strip them of rights.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 8:22:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Qbert

Same as England —big school shooting led to banning guns. Australia similar.

England is SAFER now...? Oz is safer?

The left makes a biiig deal now about how our side is UNSCIENTIFIC (evolution vs bible).

When you ignore the effects of some measure, how is that scientific...? It’s not.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 8:22:20 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Qbert

Hey Joe—Before we start talking about limiting Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, let’s talk about eliminating “rights” that have been completely invented by an out-of-control judiciary (e.g., abortion).


16 posted on 12/17/2012 8:23:39 AM PST by Arm_Bears (The MSM lies about conservatives; and it lies about liberals.)
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To: Qbert

” . . . common sense discussion . . . reasonable way . . . “. classic obamaspeak. this means whatever anyone wants it to mean.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 8:23:39 AM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Qbert

So where was this US Senator and all the rest of them when Major Hassan gunned down all those people at Ft. Hood?


18 posted on 12/17/2012 8:23:49 AM PST by Texas resident
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To: Qbert
"meaningful action" to me:

19 posted on 12/17/2012 8:24:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Qbert

As usual, the Dems never allow a crisis or a tragedy go to waste. This morning I see Sen. Feinstein already preparing a new federal gun control law.

Instead of the usual liberal obsession with guns...too bad more attention isn’t focused on the REAL cause of these massacres......MENTAL ILLNESS!!!!!!


20 posted on 12/17/2012 8:25:03 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Arm_Bears

21 posted on 12/17/2012 8:25:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Qbert

Good of Manchin to speak up on this issue...
now WV voters can kick his a** out of the senate and put a true conservative in there...
hopefully, first nail in Manchin’s coffin.


22 posted on 12/17/2012 8:25:46 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Qbert

Conservative Democrat? Oxymoron! (NO SUCH THING! Dems march in lockstep with their liberal bosses) I will admit I don’t know everything about guns...but if your talking “shells” your talking a Shotgun. And I’ve never had one that has a “Clip”? Does the good Senator have a “Streetsweeper” type shotgun with a drum of shells? I thought those were labeled a destructive device....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker


23 posted on 12/17/2012 8:27:20 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: Qbert

Ah, yes.... another ‘independent voice’ in the democrap party shares his philosophy. So all that ‘conservative’ talk was just... talk.


24 posted on 12/17/2012 8:27:20 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Qbert

Ah, yes.... another ‘independent voice’ in the democrap party shares his philosophy. So all that ‘conservative’ talk was just... talk.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 8:27:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Qbert

We don’t have a gun problem.

We have a “crime is encouraged by social policy and cultural thought leaders” problem.

This was a great post that came up in google while I was searching from some crime stats.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2864689/posts


26 posted on 12/17/2012 8:28:10 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Qbert

27 posted on 12/17/2012 8:28:37 AM PST by Errant
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To: Qbert

Election’s over, Manchin can stop pretending to be pro-gun and let his gun grabbing liberal democrat colors show.


28 posted on 12/17/2012 8:28:59 AM PST by apillar
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To: sickoflibs

I say ban high capacity gun-free zones.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 8:29:45 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: sickoflibs

Correct and I will add in an area where murder is illegal, too.


30 posted on 12/17/2012 8:29:50 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: V_TWIN
Sen. Joe Manchin, a conservative Democrat from West Virginia

Can't be a conservative when they vote the radical left-wing agenda.

31 posted on 12/17/2012 8:30:39 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Qbert

Obama armed Libyans

Obama armed Syrians

Obama armed Mexicans

Suddenly, Obama wants to disarm law-abiding Americans.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 8:30:45 AM PST by Obadiah (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Qbert

Keep the guns, ban Manchin from public office.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 8:30:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Keep the guns, ban the anti-God-given rights politicians from ever holding office again.)
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To: V_TWIN

The Dems are evil....and their voters are stupid.

Go figure:

Step#1: Dems ban firearms (i.e. no body no where to have guns at school or elsewhere so everyone is a sitting duck for a nut case)

Step#2: A nut case sooner or later shows up and does a Dem-Party-enabled mass murder.

Step#3: Dems further ban firearms everyone is even more a sitting duck for a nut case.

Step#4: goto Step#2 via infinite loop until only the Govt has all the guns...just like Hitler Germany, Mao China, Pol Pot Cambodia, Lenin/Stalin-USSR.

Step#5: With everyone disarmed, the “Dems” institute a tyranny and the Govt & Govt-mob mass murdering REALLY begins .

Now mind you, this ploy is obvious to anyone not malicious or stupid...which rules out Obaba and his 52 percent.

History sadly shows that tyranny rises when a critical mass of the people become uncaring.

Here in the USA, we are there now.

A mystery to me is how in 2010 people voted heavy Repub and in 2012 people, despite everything worse, voted Dems (assuming there was zero voting fraud and the moon is made of green cheese).


34 posted on 12/17/2012 8:30:56 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

"Instead of the usual liberal obsession with guns...too bad more attention isn’t focused on the REAL cause of these massacres......MENTAL ILLNESS!!!!!!"

Exactly. We need to push back hard on this issue, IMHO.

35 posted on 12/17/2012 8:31:53 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Thanks West Virginia, you re elected this idiot against your own interests.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 8:32:06 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Qbert

There was a lot of confusion in the first reports coming out of this shooting, but one of these reports I find to be most curious. One of the first reports coming from a reporter on the scene stated that the M-4/AR-15 rifle was found by the police in the shooter’s car and all the killing had been done by pistols carried into the school by the shooter.

However, this morning’s paper carried an Associated Press story stating that all the killing had been done with the M-4/AR-15 assault rifle and called for opening discussions once more on banning the assault rifle.

Is the MSM manipulating the news again to fit their Liberal agenda, or what?


37 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:06 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Qbert
What the **** do hunting and sport shooting have to do with the 2A?

When will this maddening equation of the fundamental right to self-defense with recreational leisure activities end?

38 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:32 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Mental illness is a big liberal taboo. First you are not allowed to identify anyone who is crazy = “mentally challenged”. See what happens if you use the word “crippled” ... you will be charged as insensitive, non-PC.

If we had keep guns out of the hands of crazy people, most of these killings would not have happened.


39 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Qbert

Hey you West (by God) Virginia ridge runners: recall this turkey!


40 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:59 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Qbert

Drones are beginning to fly over American cities on Congressional orders and from the zer0. Drones are used in other parts of the world to kill people. And these fools on the hill want me to be afraid of The People. I’ll continue to know (fully) I have more to fear from my Government, because I and all Americans do have more to fear. The Government has us outgunned! Being outgunned by ones Government has never been healthy for The People, throughout History, ever. May I at least be equal, dear Government? NO ... Thought that was the way it is. Thank You, NOT. Can you over there on the Government Hill tell me that lie again? You know ... the one about The People being the Government.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:59 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Qbert

Here’s an FBI link...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4

What’s missing is the difference in population totals by race.

When you figure that in, the per capita rates of white offenders is far lower than of black offenders.

Just crime totals, as reported, no spin, no hype. Just cold, hard data.

Interestingly, Latinos, would presumably be typically reported as whites ?

The number of murders committed by people in the suburbs and rural areas - regardless of race - is miniscule.

Murder is a big-city (bastion of liberalism and the strictest Unconstitutional gun control illegitimate laws) problem.


42 posted on 12/17/2012 8:34:12 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: matginzac
"Good of Manchin to speak up on this issue... now WV voters can kick his a** out of the senate and put a true conservative in there... hopefully, first nail in Manchin’s coffin.

Unfortunately, he's in there until at least 2016. This is what happens when folks vote for the Dem because daddy voted that way and grandaddy voted that way and...

43 posted on 12/17/2012 8:36:51 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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Sometimes you don't get more than one shot anyway at a deer," Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "It's common sense. It's time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common sense discussion and move in a reasonable way."

Hey DUMBASS! Show me the words about deer hunting in the 2nd amendment and then get back to me!

44 posted on 12/17/2012 8:37:22 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: DJ Taylor
Is the MSM manipulating the news again to fit their Liberal agenda, or what?

You better believe they are manipulating the news!

45 posted on 12/17/2012 8:37:35 AM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: Lazamataz

Powerful message.


46 posted on 12/17/2012 8:38:32 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Qbert
"I just came with my family from deer hunting. I've never had more than three shells in a clip"

Well, Joe... if all we the people had to concern ourselves with was an occasional whitetail buck roaming through our yards, but some of us would like to fend off tyranny.

47 posted on 12/17/2012 8:40:03 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Qbert

When Manchin’s people come for my guns, I’ll have more than 3 in the clip.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 8:40:15 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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To: timestax
Print this out and spread around, NOW


49 posted on 12/17/2012 8:40:37 AM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: Qbert

Democrats, including conservative democrats like to have resonable discussing on issues that result in doing only what they want . Otherwise it is not resasonable. If you are talking about gun control after an incident like this then you have already lost the argument. If you are talking about tax increases when facing a recession then you have lost the arguement, if you are talking about taking out dams to protect salmon then you are already lost the argument. If you ae talking about protecting the middle class in the same breath as Unionization then you have lost the argument.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 8:43:47 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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