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Spain accused of “act of war” off Gibraltar after two naval vessels enter waters around The Rock
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 15:27 EST, 13 December 2012 | Richard Hartley-Parkinson

Posted on 12/18/2012 1:22:35 AM PST by Olog-hai

Spain was accused of an “act of war” today after its naval ships repeatedly entered the territorial waters of Gibraltar.

Bob Stewart, Tory MP for Beckenham, said the British Government needed to “respond robustly to this aggravation” after Commons Leader Andrew Lansley said two Spanish naval vessels entered the waters of Gibraltar on Monday. He said they were given radio warnings before leaving, but Mr. Stewart, a former colonel, said the incursion was illegal and the Government needed to “do something about it”. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eussr; gibraltar; spain
Thatcher would have done something about it, that’s for sure.
1 posted on 12/18/2012 1:22:52 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Time for the Armada.

Is the problem that the powers that be just cannot seem to get a war started. What ever happened to the tried and true, just start shooting?

All of the crap seems to be foreplay for something much larger.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 1:54:03 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Olog-hai

thatcher didn’t — because the Spanish in the 80s knew that they couldn’t face the Royal Navy of the 80s at that close range. Also, most Gibraltars, though they are of Spanish origin, prefer being part of the Crown (they aren’t part of the UK but are a Crown colony) because it gives them the same privileges as Guernsey say


3 posted on 12/18/2012 2:24:09 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Olog-hai

Spain looking for a way to distract their people from the economic state they are in?


4 posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:24 AM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Olog-hai

The, now closed, comments section provide some interesting background to this article. A number of the comments are from residents of Gibraltar.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:35:25 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Olog-hai
Respond with an unannounced, unaccredited torpedo. The incursions will stop.
6 posted on 12/18/2012 3:34:04 AM PST by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: Olog-hai

Wag el perro.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 3:53:14 AM PST by AU72
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To: Olog-hai

how cute....the brits and the spaniards acting like they still matter.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 3:59:29 AM PST by wny
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To: Vermont Lt

“What ever happened to the tried and true, just start shooting?”

Spain was thinking about it during WWII (they were neutral, but Britain wouldn’t be able to defend it); they decided not to when they realized they couldn’t defend the Canary Islands from Britain.

That is how newly-independent India took back the Portuguese colony there (around Goa); when negotiations failed they simply stormed it.

Britain has no legitimate claim to Gibraltar or Northern Ireland; while they cling to that those they are losing their own island to Asian and Caribbean types. Good riddance.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 4:05:49 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Olog-hai

Spain has a navy? Who knew...


10 posted on 12/18/2012 4:21:16 AM PST by moovova
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Gibraltar being a very small piece of real estate, how can the territorial waters of Gib. and Spain not overlap?

How does the Royal Navy get to Gib. without crossing through Spanish territorial waters?

Sounds like a stalemate.

11 posted on 12/18/2012 5:20:14 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: dynachrome
Spain looking for a way to distract their people from the economic state they are in?

Precisely - and as the global economy continues to weaken, look for other European states to pull the same trick. We've entered a dangerous time.

12 posted on 12/18/2012 5:26:14 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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This is a job for Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin!


13 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:19 AM PST by hemogoblin
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To: wny

We’ll remember that when you come looking for the usual UK military support when you go to war.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 9:42:14 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

the “...usual UK military support...” is negligible.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 9:46:08 AM PST by wny
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To: hemogoblin

The HMS Surprise is on the way!


16 posted on 12/18/2012 4:14:40 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: wny

F**k off.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 7:41:28 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: wny

I dont why we bother senidng our men and women to die alongside you in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, when ‘people’ like you havent even the basic respect and gratitude for our help and our sacrifices.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 7:43:16 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

“...‘people’ like you havent even the basic respect and gratitude for our help and our sacrifices.”

Americans are woefully ignorant about their own history let alone the history of places outside our borders. Sadly, for some Americans, when we don’t know something, we strut around like bloody peacocks all puffed up making silly pronouncements. We become unable to recognize our own arrogance. It’s all somewhat embarassing.

However, some of us do remember with fondness the historical and cultural ties we have to the mother country. We remember, that without a Scotland, we might never have had the enlightenment or our modern economics. The earliest universities were Scottish and English. The value that Scots place on education and hard work gave us the likes of Smith, Carnegie, Burns, and Bell. We remember that our great-grandfathers fought and died next to yours in the Great War and then again in World War II. Some of us do remember and are grateful.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 10:54:17 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: moovova

Spain has as many aircraft carriers as Britain.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 11:00:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: the scotsman

I had intended to offer a vicarious apology on behalf of those Americans who have actually served in uniform, have trained with HM Armed Forces and are thankful for the honor of having done so, but your post is more to the point.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 11:47:45 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky; Owl558

Thank you my friends.

I KNOW most Americans are like you, not the other member.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 8:21:55 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes, but they dont have nuclear subs, the Royal Navy, the SAS, the Royal Marines, MI6, the Paras, the Gurkhas and several thousand mad Scotsmen.

LOL


23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:23:45 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Owl558

A number of European Universities pre-date Oxford, Cambridge, and St. Andrews. The U.S. did receive a great deal from Britain, but in many cases Britain was a conduit rather than a font.


24 posted on 12/20/2012 11:17:21 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: AppyPappy

Correction: Spain has more aircraft carriers than Britain: 2 to Zero.

Spain has a dedicated Harrier carrier P.deAsturias and a larger carrier/LPH Cavour. They both carry AV-8B Harriers with APG-65 radars and AMRAAMs

England gave up the last of it’s Harriers a year ago. They have two LPHs, the dedicated HMS Ocean and the converted HMS Illustrious (the last of the three Invincible class light carriers)

The UK has naval advantage in nuclear submarines, and a slight one in overall training and motivation, but that’s it. The RN would have a very hard time going toe to toe with the Spanish.


25 posted on 12/20/2012 11:28:23 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Olog-hai

Board and seize the next Spanish vessel that violates British sovereign space.

Tow it to port and keep it until Spain behaves.

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

The Spaniards are the first to do the same to anyone who violates their space.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 11:32:55 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Hieronymus

“A number of European Universities pre-date Oxford, Cambridge, and St. Andrews.”

You are correct, of course. I should have have used the qualifer “some” to describe these early British universities.


27 posted on 12/20/2012 12:06:20 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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