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Arm The Teachers: Gun Control Petition Finds Its Political Opposite
inquisitr.com ^ | 15 December, 2012 | Patrick Frye

Posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:22 AM PST by marktwain

Edited on 12/18/2012 7:01:42 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut has led the nation to launch into an increasingly bitter argument over gun control laws. As previously reported by The Inquisitr, this has led to a White House petition that demands lawmakers meet “for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun.” Some have suggested moderate gun reform and others like Obama are pushing for outright gun bans. A new White House petition is saying that the United States should arm the teachers as a solution to school shootings.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; petition; school; secondamendment; whitehouse
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The petition is not perfect, but it is pushback. I have signed up for an account to vote for it. Yes, we know the deck is stacked against us in the MSM, but we need to push back, even on the left's home turf like this White House petition propaganda forum.
1 posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:33 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I see no evidence that Obama is pushing for an outright ban of guns. Such statements make our side look like a bunch of retards.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 6:51:38 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: marktwain

Here is the White House Petition link:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/gun-every-classroom-arm-every-teacher-and-principal-defend-themselves-and-their-students-during/BR1Wj8cc


3 posted on 12/18/2012 6:54:20 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Why can’t they arm teachers with tasers so that if somehow it falls into the hands of a student it cannot be used to kill another student. I don’t know that much about tasers but it seems to make sense.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 6:59:35 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marktwain

I prefer the Israel type approach. Too many is too risky (assuming every teacher would carry), and teachers will be concentrating on their actual job. Guards would properly concentrate on theirs.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 7:03:44 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marstegreg

Yes, that’s a better idea. Or something that can immobilize like mace. Why not even BB guns?


6 posted on 12/18/2012 7:06:14 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: TheRhinelander
Obama is pushing for an outright ban of guns.

Your boy would ban anything he can. zot

7 posted on 12/18/2012 7:06:14 AM PST by xone
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To: marstegreg
Tasers are short range many things can stop them from working properly some people are not effected.

Worrying about students or others grabbing someones firearm is why over stated by the anti’s.

It can be lessen by proper training and retention holster.

8 posted on 12/18/2012 7:06:54 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: TheRhinelander

I don’t think it was meant to include all guns, but meant certain guns. Not the best writing, but that’s all.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 7:08:27 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marktwain

That teacher is setting a horrible example - cigarettes and sugary soda! Where is Mike Bloomberg?


10 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:04 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Mitt has dogs for pets - Obama had them for lunch)
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To: TheRhinelander

Why ban any when they’re not the problem?

If you want an unconstitutional solution to this, why not just make folks get screened annually for mental disorders and lock up those who don’t fit the bill?

Obamacare would glady pay for that as part of your “wellness visit”.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:11 AM PST by fruser1
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To: riverrunner

There is a reason courts and the like removed guns from all persons, even in the old, old days when everyone carried. I defer to the wisdom of the early Americans, not to mention the Israelis.


12 posted on 12/18/2012 7:12:07 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: fruser1

Non-sequitur. Why attacking this poster for thinking the article is errant?


13 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:16 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marktwain
Opponents believe that having someone armed in one of these so-called "gun free" zone would pose an additional danger to people if a shooter was confronted. So let's take a look at a couple recent example: Clackamas mall in Oregon. Shooter had killed two when he saw that a citizen had a bead on him with his carry pistol. Shooter then commits suicide without citizen firing a shot. Newton. Shooter is kills everyone he can until police arrive with guns at which time he commits suicide. But until then all the children were SAFELY killed. First example shooter is limited to two because an armed citizen was on site. Second, shooter was free to continued until cops arrive and twenty died. Gun free zone are dangerous because they are gun free zones. Remove the designation and they cease becoming a target. All but one mass killing since 1950 was in a "gun free" zone.
14 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:46 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The courts normally don't remove guns From LEOs or their bailiffs at least here in Wis.
15 posted on 12/18/2012 7:16:07 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Not to mention lame tank tops. Truthfully they look like trash.

What is this picture anyway?


16 posted on 12/18/2012 7:16:44 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: riverrunner

Exactly. I’m talking about those who enter temporarily for court dates.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:12 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: xone

Obama is not “my boy”. I’m merely pointing out an inaccuracy in the article. Moron.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:59 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

Of course he’s not. He’s smarter than that. Better to look hesitant to go there while operatives and speeches whip the masses into a frenzy demanding termination of their own freedoms.
Classic political technique: do what the mob demands, but make sure they come to demand what you want to do.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 7:20:32 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: fruser1

I absolutely agree. We need to start institutionaling people again. That was yet another grand mistake of the 60’s and 70’s.

The “we need lunatic control not gun control” article posted here earlier today links to an amazingly good article that is worth reading on this very subject.

In the meantime I ordered three 30 round clips for my Saiga and 1,000 rounds of ammo just in time. Going to get as much as I can before I can’t get it anymore.

I hate this.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 7:21:37 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: the OlLine Rebel; All

“What is this picture anyway?”

I think it is Israeli teachers and/or students.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 7:26:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Poll to freep

http://www.nwitimes.com/

Scroll down right side of page.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 7:31:32 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: TheRhinelander
Some final thoughts on the gun issue Monday, December 17, 2012 5:14:33 AM · 5 of 22 TheRhinelander to Jerrybob Get ready for a ban on ALL “assault weapons”, which means anything with a grip and semi-auto clip fed. They will try. At the very least get ready for a ban on all high capacity clips. Feinstein files the bill this week.

Looks like you are as inaccurate as the article. He'll ban what he can. zot

23 posted on 12/18/2012 7:44:34 AM PST by xone
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To: TheRhinelander

Your second sentence indeed makes you look like one if you believe the first.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 7:44:50 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: xone

Moron.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 7:47:30 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: fruser1
poster said "why not just make folks get screened annually for mental disorders and lock up those who don’t fit the bill?"

I didn't say that I would never say that. Wow .So some government bureaucrat gets to decide if I'm to be locked up in mental institution? Well i AM a global warming denier, I mean they will say only a nut would believe there is no global warming so I would be locked up. I also think the “great” government schools are an abomination so that must make me “crazy” according to their definition. Now I say repeal government.

How about repealing most laws , including those that mandate a kid go to a government school ( so we can do homeschooling)? How about repealing most laws and most government and let us and the private sector handle things ok? Why do you all trust government bureaucrats and government to decide who is sane , or anything ? Answer? I know liberals trust government but do those on here? The media (democrats) want to empower government and to take away our individual rights. The individual is so small already compared to this giant government . Who would want to empower government more? a liberal/democrat sure would.

26 posted on 12/18/2012 7:48:48 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yes, that’s a better idea. Or something that can immobilize like mace. Why not even BB guns?

You haven’t thought too far into this, have you? What exactly do you think will happen when a student uses the teachers gun agains him/her? It would happen at some point. There are careless people everywhere. What then? You are thnking about this issue the way Libs think about most issues...this is not a perfect world, most teachers are great teachers but not all. It seems that even teachers are capable of “snapping”. To arm all of the teachers regardless of their emotional states is irresponsible and your answer does not take these issues under account. If there are teachers who are disturbed enough to molest our children, what makes you think that one of them would never feel threatened enough to use “the classroom gun” when threatened by a student? Have you ever been to an inner city school? The teachers are berated daily by their students and cannot take any action to curb the students behavior. If you don’t think one of them, just one, is never going to snap you are fooling yourself. The answer is not as easy as you think.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 7:53:25 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

Why are you quoting me and berating me? Wasn’t I agreeing with you? I’m confused.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 7:58:18 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: riverrunner

It can be lessen by proper training and retention holster.

I just cant trust that all the teachers are free of emotional problems. They are just people and there are good teachers, even great teachers, but there are also bad ones. arming them would be dangerous and I don’t see the teachers union ever allowing mental health testing of teachers. There needs to be a non-lethal weay to approach this issue before we create a different problem.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 7:59:12 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: xone

Trying to catch him? Sorry, this quote does NOT say anything about ALL firearms which is what Rhine replied in #2. Not just auto/assault.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 8:05:04 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Why are you quoting me and berating me? Wasn’t I agreeing with you? I’m confused.

I’m sorry. No one on this site should never be accused of thinking like a Lib. I just thought you were being sarcastic. I was wrong. I didn’t mean to sound like I was berating you, I was just trying to explain why I thought this way.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 8:05:11 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

Government schools are pure evil and a joke (just like almost all government). That people take these schools seriously amazes me. Government schools are to be fought against as something evil which they are as they are socialism not as something to be discussed seriously . HOMESCCHOOL, private school etc. , no government schools.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 8:07:59 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media

The poster was being facetious, indicated by the form of question and the word “unconstitutional”.

Lots of comprehension problems in this thread, including the poster to whom you replied.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 8:08:11 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marstegreg

I’ve been hounded since this occurred just for trying to get facts straight, such as saying I did see Uhbama cry tears. No-one likes it when I say we’re too glib about “if only they had a gun”, either. I’m just asking for temperance in rhetoric.

Funny thing is few are as radical as I when espousing freedom values, either.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 8:12:22 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Democrat_media

We live in a nice neighborhood and there are weekly drug raids at the public school. That is why we stretch our budget and send our boys to parochial school. It is difficult but well worth it.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 8:13:17 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg
Non-lethal dream on you are falling into the trap that the anti’s libs want you do.

They come up with seemly nice fuzzy ideas that have no practical means of working just so they can say see we are trying something.

36 posted on 12/18/2012 8:14:57 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: marstegreg
Is is a surprise that a government school would turn into something like that?

What does government do right? gov schools? no, government housing projects? NO, TSA, NO. EPA ? No etc.

I saw a study that only 8% of Detroit 8th graders can read (8% or around there). government doesn't work,why do people trust the government schools or government bureaucrats?

37 posted on 12/18/2012 8:17:44 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: marstegreg

BTW, my credentials are only second-hand but pretty deep: my mother has experience at all levels of public school and also taught emotionally disturbed, including heading a high school for such while teaching them for 15 years. She also had to work in Baltimore public school but only 1 year in the end, then went to Catholic Charities middle school for ED kids. She taught a total of 40 years. She is well aware of all the nonsense that goes on from all directions.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 8:19:05 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Democrat_media
What does government do right? gov schools? no, government housing projects? NO, TSA, NO. EPA ? No etc.

The govt can't even control its own prisons. In a prison, the govt is supposed to have complete control . . . and yet murders and other crimes are committed IN prisons.

39 posted on 12/18/2012 8:21:29 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: riverrunner

Non-lethal dream on you are falling into the trap that the anti’s libs want you do.

The only way I would arm teachers is if they go through mental health evaluations. The teachers union would never allow it. There has to be a better way. I am not against guns. I own a gun. I just cant trust that ALL of the teachers are mentally stable. Most of them are great and responsible people but putting a gun in the hands of the ones that are not just creates another problem. If something like a teacher using that gun on a student ever happened, you would see the libs go nuts (even more than now) and we would be the ones who made it happen. The NRA would never survive it.


40 posted on 12/18/2012 8:25:00 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Just curious. Has your mother, in her 40 years of experience, ever run into a teacher she thought was really out there? I am not being sarcastic. I am asking this as a serious question. My children go to catholic schools and the teachers at the school are all fairly religious and predominantly women. They don’t seem to pose much of a threat but I keep reading stories about teachers who are just bad. Has your mother ever run across a teacher who should not be trusted with a lethal weapon?


41 posted on 12/18/2012 8:34:46 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

Hmmm, I’d have to ask her. I can’t recall her ever indicating some such teacher was any unstable. Some she didn’t think highly of (mostly when she was head teacher) as far as their personalities or methods, but I don’t think she ever had that kind of doubt. When she was getting older some of her principals gave her a hard time and she didn’t like them, but I don’t think she thought them really unstable or unsteady.


42 posted on 12/18/2012 10:36:46 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marstegreg

I have to add this. Personally I never thought my teachers were unstable. But here’s a story: my HS social studies teacher jumped off our local I95 bridge about 15 years after I had been there. He was either under investigation or being sued regarding messing around with girls while I was there. I think I know who, too. Maybe he’d be easy to lose it.


43 posted on 12/18/2012 10:45:50 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marktwain
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44 posted on 12/18/2012 10:45:50 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: MtnMan101

You should post those on all the liberal sites.

But, they’d just say good reason why we’re against Israel.


45 posted on 12/18/2012 10:48:38 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yes, because they love their children and the Libtards eat theirs.


46 posted on 12/18/2012 10:50:41 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: marstegreg
marstegreg said: "If you don’t think one of them, just one, is never going to snap you are fooling yourself. "

While what you say is true, you aren't really suggesting that such people don't kill their students because it is illegal to do so, do you?

Most teachers don't face metal detectors, do they? There is nothing stopping any given teacher from doing exactly the same thing that Adam Lanza did. That it doesn't happen is simply an indication of just how abnormal the shooters are and how essential it is to arm the teachers.

The goal of being armed for self-defense isn't to eliminate all attacks; that is simply unrealistic. The goal is to deter many attacks and to greatly increase the likelihood of surviving such a deadly attack.

47 posted on 12/18/2012 12:52:50 PM PST by William Tell
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To: TheRhinelander
"I see no evidence that Obama is pushing for an outright ban of guns."

His record on the subject is perfectly clear, plus he has sufficient surrogates to get the message out and leave his involvement "ambiguous".

"Such statements make our side look like a bunch of retards."

The only "retards" are those that might believe anything Obama says.

48 posted on 12/18/2012 1:38:00 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: marstegreg
"Why can’t they arm teachers with tasers so that if somehow it falls into the hands of a student it cannot be used to kill another student. I don’t know that much about tasers but it seems to make sense."

Because tasers are useless against opponents with stand-off weapons (firearms). Let anyone who chooses to arm himself do so. Issue those people "special deputy" status. I suspect you can find any number of people capable of safely using firearms, and willing to do so.

49 posted on 12/18/2012 1:40:58 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: marstegreg

BTW, is this what you were concerned about in this thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2970180/posts

LOL, touche.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 8:54:28 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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