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New Imaging System Could Make America's Stealth Technology Obsolete
Business Insider ^ | Dec. 18, 2012, 10:33 AM | Robert Johnson

Posted on 12/18/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: LibWhacker
My guess is that the answer to your question is that this is a purely theoretical explanation with some proof-of-concept work behind it, so they're releasing the "information" to scare up money.

First, given the hints, it's probably an entanglement scheme. Second, the entangled pairs could "report" to each other, but they have only one thing to report: their polarization state. [You can't really entangle the other few quantum numbers of a photon, since they're continuous.] Third, large numbers of entangled photons aren't especially easy to produce and isolate. Sounds like the first feelers of a request for proposal. Maybe the Chinese will fund it.

21 posted on 12/18/2012 10:21:56 AM PST by FredZarguna (Wavefunction = loosely, and incorrectly, state vector.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Well, I’m not an aviation expert of fighter pilot, but I have decades of experience in radar.

This, apparently is an imaging system presents an image to one aspect angle of the scene directly behind it. Take a picture of everything on your left side and present that picture to the right side. Anyone on the right side sees what’s on your left side. I have a close friend that was a PM at DARPA and he opined at some meeting this very concept. He was visited thereafter by a couple of investigators wanting to know where he got the information.

My guess is that this is optical only and it doesn’t work in the RF region (i.e., radar bands). Furthermore, I’d say this is only effective optically for a very narrow aspect angle of views.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 10:22:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: katana

See #16.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 10:23:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: gr8eman
Nope.

It's been almost thiry years since I taught Physics 101 to undergrads, but I don't need a refresher. You do.

Photons are the basic quantum mechanical particles of all electromagnetic radiation. They don't have to be "stimulated particularly."

24 posted on 12/18/2012 10:24:45 AM PST by FredZarguna (Wavefunction = loosely, and incorrectly, state vector.)
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To: gr8eman

An article on photons:

http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/f/photon.htm


25 posted on 12/18/2012 10:26:07 AM PST by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: gr8eman
Time for a Physics 101 thread!

I knew this discussion was going to degenerate into a bunch of "physics" sooner or later! :(

26 posted on 12/18/2012 10:26:55 AM PST by The Duke
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To: LibWhacker

This is pretty fundamental physics-based research that is presumably not funded by any classified DoD programs. Can’t really be going around and retroactively jailing people for simply having ideas.

Anyway, from reading this, what it seems to be is fundamentally a theoretically possibile way to defeat a specific type of jamming, Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) I know just enough about Electronic Warfare to be dangerous, but what DRFM does isn’t block or “fuzz” a radar, it generates multiple fake targets that move just like the real target and that can’t be distinguished from the real target.

Any actual “Old Crows” would probably have a better explanation.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 10:27:28 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Uses a laser. That makes it a bit difficult to cover larger areas of the sky. And, depending on the laser, it can be blocked by clouds, etc.

https://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/Quantum%20imaging.png


28 posted on 12/18/2012 10:31:41 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: FredZarguna

100% totally correct, thank you. Anyone who has had a physics 101 class, and was paying attention, ought to know that. Unbelievable!


29 posted on 12/18/2012 10:32:59 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Business Insider article is indeed godawful.

The MIT article is, obviously, much better:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/508826/quantum-imaging-technique-heralds-unjammable-aircraft-detection/

And of course the actual scientific paper is better than that:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.2605v1.pdf

The Business Insider idiot fundamentally misunderstood pretty much everything about the research; it basically has NOTHING TO DO with defeatubg “passive” stealth (shaping and materials to reduce a radar return) which is the key to the B-2, F-22, F-35, etc. All it concerns is defeating one particular type of “active” jamming, which is what non-stealthy aircraft, missiles, etc. often employ.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 10:33:12 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And of course, metamaterials are just over the horizon!


31 posted on 12/18/2012 10:38:14 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

To give any credence to an article that proclaims this is “unjammable” is folly. Anything one man can envision, eventually can be realized by another man. It’s like saying you have discovered everything there is to know about this process and have foreseen anything the enemy can think of. It’s ego-maniacal at the minimum. I do understand, I think their preliminary basis for this, as it was posited some time back that photons could also be used for communication and their quantum state would make it known to everyone if it had been tampered with, or even an attempt was made at tampering. It is theoretically possible, but in reality, someone will eventually crack the code, so to speak.

It sounds like some researchers are creating their own PR to maintain some funding or to acquire a new source of funding.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 10:40:44 AM PST by krogers58
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To: Strategerist

Thanks.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 10:46:43 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: MeganC
"No doubt the Chinese have already stolen the technology."

How do you know it wasn't Chinese students that discovered it? ;-)

34 posted on 12/18/2012 11:04:37 AM PST by Average Al
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To: gr8eman; FredZarguna

Sorry pal. I think you’re thinking of lasers, which indeed emit photons. But that is not the only source of photons, not by a long shot.

The radar “waves” emitted and detected by radar antennas are themselves a type of photon. Every kind of electromagnetic radiation is composed of photons.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 11:07:24 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: gr8eman; FredZarguna

Sorry pal. I think you’re thinking of lasers, which indeed emit photons. But that is not the only source of photons, not by a long shot.

The radar “waves” emitted and detected by radar antennas are themselves a type of photon. Every kind of electromagnetic radiation is composed of photons.


36 posted on 12/18/2012 11:07:25 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: katana
It all changes when you look at entanglement ~ theoretically you can split a photo pair (they're always paired) and bing one of the pair off to somewhere else and simply watch the one nearer to see whas' hoppen!

There've been some stories about pairing up more than 2 photons ~ so that might be what this is about. It's all too secret for anybody to talk about except in the most hush hush tones, and then only limited to what you would find in a textbook.

Sure, this would beat the devil out of radar ~ and, best news possible, say you can pair 100,000,000 photons, and zip zap them past the aircraft skin and simply evaporate the pilot or other control system ~ somebody will come up with grant money for that!

37 posted on 12/18/2012 11:20:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: EEGator
Is that from Spaceballs?

Yep, the radar was jammed.

38 posted on 12/18/2012 11:41:46 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: muawiyah
I hope you're joking. Otherwise...

BTW, quantum entanglement is absolutely useless for sending information. When you have particles with unknown polarization, looking at one collapses the wavefunction so that the polarization of the other is now quantized. That might be useful... if you knew the polarizations to expect! But the wavefunction collapses in a random fashion (i.e. a percentage of the time it will be polarized one way, and a percentage of the time it will be another, etc.).

Sending a "signal" (whatever your "signal" purports to be) requires that the sender and the sendee both know what to expect (i.e. that the signal is non-random in nature).

For example, let's say you have a machine capable of producing photons that will collapse into entangled states (call them A and B), meaning that if one photon is A, the other must be B. Each time you produce a pair, each photon can be either A or B (and behaves in such a manner that you cannot tell without direct observation... that's the essence and inescapable reality of quantum superposition). When you directly observe the first photon and discover it is an A, then the second becomes a B. However, since you have no way of knowing what either is until you look (thereby causing the collapse and "ending" the entanglement), you have no way of sending a signal with them (because you have no way to modulate whether the particle collapses to an A or B). All you get on either end is a series of random As and Bs.

In other words, quantum entanglement might have a great deal of impact on the the question of Locality, but it has absolutely no use in information transfer.

39 posted on 12/18/2012 11:52:17 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

LIDAR = LIght Detection And Ranging

Battlestar Galactica


40 posted on 12/18/2012 12:17:45 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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