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"Fiscal cliff" talks turn sour, Obama threatens veto
reuters ^ | 12/19/2012 | Matt Spetalnick and Mark Felsenthal

Posted on 12/19/2012 2:33:58 PM PST by tobyhill

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Obama is threatening tax hikes for the middle-class.
1 posted on 12/19/2012 2:34:05 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Boehner and Obama have each offered substantial concessions that have made a deal look within reach. Obama has agreed to cuts in benefits for seniors,

More Reuters BS. Obama has no offered substantial concessions nor has he agreed to cuts in benefits for seniors.

2 posted on 12/19/2012 2:37:04 PM PST by kabar
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To: tobyhill

Petulant child.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 2:38:06 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: tobyhill
Mr. Soetoro may need some education on the Constitution and Politics 101. If a law passes both houses and gets to his desk, it means that both political parties and both houses are in favor of the law. If he vetoes something that would be viewed as bicameral and bipartisan, he will look the fool, and may actually see a veto over-ride.
4 posted on 12/19/2012 2:38:46 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: tobyhill

The president irrational??

Gee. Who knew. And now they’ve deleted “Lunatic” from fedlaw.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 2:39:58 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: tobyhill

This is hilarious! Boehner et al come up with a plan that is just what Obama asks for, then Obama moves the goalposts, and says the pubbies are not cooperating!

And MSM reports it as though that’s what all Americans think, too!

Didn’t Boehner accept Pelosi’s plan (that she got from Obama) only to have it rejected by Obama?

The pubbies must say, tell us exactly what you want, or they’ll continue to be caught in this remove the football, change the goalposts game.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 2:40:00 PM PST by DBrow
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To: tobyhill

Let it happen! Let him deal with it!


7 posted on 12/19/2012 2:42:12 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: tobyhill

Go ahead. Make my day.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 2:44:41 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: tobyhill

Boehner should just adjourn for the year...wait for the new Congress.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 2:45:34 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: tobyhill

The “Stupid Party” should of walked away, by now! Boy, are they stupid!


10 posted on 12/19/2012 2:47:15 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: tobyhill

How can he veto something that won’t ever make it to his desk?


11 posted on 12/19/2012 2:49:58 PM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: DBrow
It seems Boehner is tired of playing Lucy and the Football.
12 posted on 12/19/2012 2:50:40 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Veto of what? Nothing has been passed yet.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 2:51:45 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: tobyhill
I've heard plenty of direct quotes and quips from Obama and the democrats over this, but virtually nothing directly from the republicans, just paraphrases & characterizations.

The f'n MSM is directing this charade, as always. They need to be taken out of it somehow. The GOP had better learn something about stagecraft.

14 posted on 12/19/2012 2:52:19 PM PST by skeeter
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
I kind of like what Boehner is doing, tell Obama take it leave it but the ball is in his court.
15 posted on 12/19/2012 2:52:47 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: kabar

I think he has agreed to reduce the cost-of-living adjustments in SS. That is a cut, tho it shouldn’t be called a ‘benefit’.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 2:57:02 PM PST by expat2
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To: tobyhill
It seems Boehner is tired of playing Lucy and the Football.

Now he's going to play Thelma and Louise.

17 posted on 12/19/2012 2:58:06 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: tobyhill

Obama is an idiot, but that’s nothing new.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 2:58:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: DBrow

Anyone with some knowledge of negotiating knows that your ‘opponent’ needs to name his opening position up front (tho it may be an extreme position, it’s still an upper limit established.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 2:59:56 PM PST by expat2
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To: expat2

Source, please.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 3:01:05 PM PST by kabar
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To: tobyhill

That is all he can do with this President. 0bama is a horrible deal maker. He wants the Boehner to guess what he will accept. If Boehner lays it out on the table, 0bama rejects it and says offer a better deal. Yet, 0bama will never reduce his demands to paper in a real offer.

0bama makes deals like Arafat. If you offer him something, it means you will really offer his something better. Or he can just let the house burn down and try to blame you for starting the fire.

The media will probably paint the GOP as the bad guys in this deal. But the facts will be that the House will be the only member of the threesome which actually votes out a bill. The Senate may say no but won’t counter with a bill of their own.

We’ll see once peoples paychecks start getting dinged with higher withholdings if that gets their attention enough to see that the GOP actually passed a bill but 0bama and the Dems in the Senate said no.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 3:03:07 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: tobyhill

F Bama


22 posted on 12/19/2012 3:06:30 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: tobyhill

Obama hates the middle class. Just like Evita.


23 posted on 12/19/2012 3:09:30 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: lonestar

That’s my attitude, MAKE HIM VETO IT!
After that he owns what happens.
Ten to one he would sign it and then babble on
about how he didn’t want to but...

And on the bright side if he did sign it, you know
he can be “compromised” again.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 3:09:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tobyhill

Did any of you read the comments to the article?

We are in a world of trouble. Mostly left wing clueless lunatics espousing liberal fairytales about the economy and history.

I must live in an alternate universe.

bobo


25 posted on 12/19/2012 3:11:03 PM PST by bobo1 (I)
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To: tobyhill

I said this on FR before.

Obama has zero negotiating skills. Zero. He does not know how to negotiate with anybody.

He only knows to say, “This is what I want and if you don’t give it to me, you’re a blankity blank.”


26 posted on 12/19/2012 3:12:59 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: tobyhill
I kind of like what Boehner is doing, tell Obama take it leave it but the ball is in his court.

Sorry you feel that way. Bonehead is a whimpish, trusting sort of a dufus, who's team hasn't won a game all season.

Obama's cutthroats have the ball and they're 10 points ahead with two minutes left in the game. What do you think they're going to do?!

Remember, their goal is to take advantage of a crisis and will one by shoving America OFF the cliff if they can get away with it.

It's this administration’s modus operandi/Alinski model (e.g., fast & furious, benghazi, obamacare, arab spring, libya, sandy hook?, ...).

27 posted on 12/19/2012 3:13:43 PM PST by Errant
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To: tobyhill

Obama, you spoiled brat. Everything always has to go your way or you get all pissy and wee-wee’d up, doncha? God, I can’t stand that ..... person.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 3:14:02 PM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: tobyhill

So, if John Boehner and the House Republicans can manage to make it to tomorrow without caving in on something — always a big if — and they pass the Plan-B bill as promised, then there would be no reason for Obama to remain in Washington a minute longer than its passage, since he has declared he would not sign such a bill.

Of course, he will be expected to make a mean and nasty statement about the Republicans before leaving for Hawaii, all in the Christmas spirit of peace on earth and goodwill to men.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 3:14:54 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: SERKIT

He will look the fool PROVIDED the MSM reports fairly. Betcha a dollar to a doughnut no matter what happens, the Republicans catch the blame, unless it turns out good, then ears gets the credit.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 3:15:45 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: tobyhill
Obama said he was puzzled over what was holding up the talks and told Republicans to stop worrying about scoring "a point against the president" or forcing him into concessions "just for the heck of it." "It is very hard for them to say yes to me," he told a news conference in the White House. "At some point, you know, they've got to take me out of it."

What a prick. It's all about him. It's always all about him.

31 posted on 12/19/2012 3:18:19 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: tobyhill

Obama said he was puzzled over what was holding up the talks and told Republicans to stop worrying about scoring “a point against the president” or forcing him into concessions “just for the heck of it.”

Hey dipshit, it’s not about YOU.
We see our esteemed president belittling the republicans
as petty obstructionists when they are trying to do the
job for the American people that HE should be doing.


32 posted on 12/19/2012 3:18:53 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: expat2

I think he has agreed to reduce the cost-of-living adjustments in SS.

Big whoop, I got a cola this year, first in two or three
and it was a gigantic EIGHT DOLLARS. Now I’m not gonna turn
it down but really...


33 posted on 12/19/2012 3:24:32 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

All this from a POTUS who has never signed a budget, IIRC.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 3:28:19 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

All this from a Potus who has never proposed a budget!


35 posted on 12/19/2012 3:29:36 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tobyhill
"At some point, you know, they've got to take me out


of it."

36 posted on 12/19/2012 3:33:57 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: tobyhill

I wish this cocaine head would stop saying dumb sh*t like, “We need to raise taxes on ‘da rich’ because WE deserve it after the month we had with Sandy and now the shooting in Connecticut”. Obama is one sick, lowlife SOB.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 3:41:02 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Gun control is not about laws. It's about confiscation.)
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To: tobyhill

Obama is threatening a veto? This guy does not care one way or another what happens. Let it burn baby and lets go over the cliff.


38 posted on 12/19/2012 3:41:22 PM PST by chris haney (Apache)
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To: tobyhill

Obama is threatening a veto? This guy does not care one way or another what happens. Let it burn baby and lets go over the cliff.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 3:41:30 PM PST by chris haney (Apache)
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To: kabar

The article I read said that Obama was the one proposing the cuts to seniors.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 3:53:21 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: kabar

The article I read said that Obama was the one proposing the cuts to seniors.


41 posted on 12/19/2012 3:54:22 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: tet68
A 1.7 percent increase in social security benefits can easily be waived, except that Medicare went up.

1. Pass a bill in the House extending the tax cuts permanently. As part of this same bill remove Federal income taxes on social security benefits paid to retirees (just those who have paid into the system).I have never understood why we spend our entire working lives into social security, and then the government demands we pay taxes on what we paid them, as required by law
2. Pass a budget in the House,including the above, that freezes levels of spending at the present level for the next fiscal year,that can only be adjusted with a two-thirds majority vote in both houses for any increase.
4. Once the above is done, pay for a prime time press conference, with the Speaker of the House, and the Minority Leader of the Senate addressing the nation directly. In this press conference demand to know why the President and Harry Reid want to raise taxes on all Americans in these difficult times, why Harry Reid and the President want to tax old people's benefits under social security, why Harry Reid has refused to bring the last two House passed budgets up for a vote in the Senate, and why the President has insisted upon spending over 10 trillion dollars that the nation does not have, but has had to borrow.
5. Then, if Harry Reid refuses to let the Senate vote on the above passed bills, adjourn the House and run political messages daily throughout the Christmas season demanding that the Senate live up to its responsibility under the Constitution to pass a budget, and asking why they want to go over the fiscal cliff and destroy the economy.
42 posted on 12/19/2012 3:56:19 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Boehner threw a “compromise” out there he knew Obama wouldn't take but Boehner did it to show the fault will lay only with Obama and Reid.
43 posted on 12/19/2012 4:04:16 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Hardraade

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“lunatic”

Obama is the Moon(ed) God.....

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44 posted on 12/19/2012 4:28:16 PM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: devolve

nobama is a marxist...and a lunatic.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 4:34:15 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: DBrow

Exactly. Boehner needs to articulate the specifics of what is going on and how Obama is moving the goalposts, etc Boehner’s comments are too general. This is a rare opportunity for Republicans to get media face time. Why not use it to educate the public instead of the usual Boehner-speak?


46 posted on 12/19/2012 4:51:42 PM PST by plain talk
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To: savedbygrace
Obama has zero negotiating skills. Zero. He does not know how to negotiate with anybody.
He only knows to say, “This is what I want and if you don’t give it to me, you’re a blankity blank.”

It's worked pretty well for him and his minions up 'till now.

47 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:43 PM PST by norton
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To: plain talk

When the Senate shoots down Plan B, the markets will likely plunge. Defense pink slips must go out (finally). 2 million realize their unemployment $ are stopping.

Then who blinks?


48 posted on 12/19/2012 6:25:01 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2

Well Boehner of course. But a good strong Speaker could dig his heels in and do nothing until the President blinks.

Boehner should have passed new tax cuts and permanent extension of the Bush tax cuts. That would be DoD. Anyway that never happened.

Obama has said he wants ‘balance’. Balance would seem to suggest 50% spending and 50% tax increases. Has Obama proposed that? No. So expose this farce and not do anything until there is at least reasonable agreement on terms.


49 posted on 12/19/2012 6:37:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: tobyhill

FUBO!...A-wipe!


50 posted on 12/19/2012 6:53:36 PM PST by Route395
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