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Adam Lanza’s weapons (Barf alert!)
NY Post ^ | December 18, 2012 | Meathead Editorial

Posted on 12/19/2012 5:39:44 PM PST by neverdem

Edited on 12/19/2012 5:48:03 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Has technology rendered the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution obsolete?

That is, has the application of modern military design to civilian firearms produced a class of weapons too dangerous to be in general circulation?

We say: Yes.

Adam Lanza broke into the Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday morning armed with a “sporting” version of the US military’s principal assault weapon, plus two equally deadly handguns.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist
The Post's sophistry is easily refuted. Suppose high cap mags were somehow banned. If people felt the need for such self defense, they would have more weapons ready and loaded if they could afford them.

High-Capacity-Magazine Bans: Threatened shopkeepers used 30-round magazines to fire warning shots and avoid taking lives. by Clayton E. Cramer

1 posted on 12/19/2012 5:39:57 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

That is what people did before cartridges made guns easy to reload in battle. Pirates boarding ship would carry several pistols, each armed and ready to fire


2 posted on 12/19/2012 5:45:56 PM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: neverdem


The Founder's Intent

3 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:18 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: neverdem
That is, has the application of modern military design to civilian firearms produced a class of weapons too dangerous to be in general circulation?

The 2nd amendment was written right after the time when the US Government (such as it was) was borrowing privately owned cannon for the war effort.

I don't know about the Post, but a 6 pounder with grape seems like it's a lot more dangerous, and the founders were hunky-dorey with civilians owning that combo.

That same 6 pounder, grape shot, and powder are still legal to own today, under federal law.

/johnny

4 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: neverdem

“That ban did no real violence to the 2nd Amendment, so it’s hard to see how constraining the availability of high-tech military knockoffs would do so today.”

Eugene Stoner’s design is well over 50 years old.

And the media nuts think this is high tech?


5 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:56 PM PST by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: DocRock

Fantastic.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 5:47:37 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

I keep it and a high res link on my homepage, feel free to use and they’re on my server so linking is permitted.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 5:50:52 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: neverdem
[. . .volume of fire produced by Lanza’s semi-automatic arsenal was substantively the same as the fully automatic “gangster guns”. . .]

Not quite. The rate of fire would be less so theoretically the volume would be less. As to when U.S. arms crossed the Rubicon it would be with the invention of repeating firearms. In a photographic portrait of Jesse James taken during the Civil War he is wearing a “guerrilla vest”—a vest with multiple pockets to carry pre-loaded pistol cylinders. Rather than reloading six chambers the combatant would quickly change out the whole cylinder.

8 posted on 12/19/2012 6:07:27 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: DocRock

I’d love to know how to make something like that.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 6:08:19 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

Hours of Photoshop


10 posted on 12/19/2012 6:14:46 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: DocRock

Good job.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 6:16:22 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
That same 6 pounder, grape shot, and powder are still legal to own today, under federal law.

You can also purchase & own a live-fire black powder Gatling gun, in 36, 45 or 50 calibers.

Battery Gun Company

12 posted on 12/19/2012 6:17:14 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is two words.)
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To: neverdem
Of course, socialists always love gun control.

It's how they control their slaves.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 6:22:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

***armed with a “sporting” version of the US military’s principal assault weapon,***

Does that mean my Remington 03-a3 is more evil than my Remington 700?


14 posted on 12/19/2012 6:41:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: holymoly
Yep. I've got an uncle that builds and shoots cannons for a hobby. Lots of stuff out there is still legal that the left would freak out about if they knew.

/johnny

15 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:34 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
If it has a folding stock it is. Everyone knows that as soon as you put a folding stock on a rifle, it is 10x more dangerous and scary. A flash suppressor... 100X. Oh, and a camo strap... well that is off the charts.
16 posted on 12/19/2012 6:56:51 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: DocRock

Nice!


17 posted on 12/19/2012 7:08:13 PM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: dhs12345

You forgot the bayonet lug...


18 posted on 12/19/2012 7:14:35 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: neverdem
We say: Yes.

I say you morons need to lay off the recreational drugs for a while and locate "a woman's right to choose" in the Constitution. Once you do that, I'll find the individual's right to own black rifles in there and I'll show it to you.

19 posted on 12/19/2012 7:16:02 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Yep. I've got an uncle that builds and shoots cannons for a hobby. Lots of stuff out there is still legal that the left would freak out about if they knew.

And reenactors get a tax writeoff for their gear, as well!

20 posted on 12/19/2012 7:27:34 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: neverdem

I like the idea of banning high capacity magazines — it’s like Bloomberg’s banning of 16-oz soft drinks. :)


21 posted on 12/19/2012 7:28:00 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I say you morons need to lay off the recreational drugs for a while and locate "a woman's right to choose" in the Constitution.

I think I have located a woman's right to choose a firearm. It's also one of the better contraceptives. Liberals ought to stop their war on women.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 7:35:16 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: 353FMG

Civilian low capacity Coke magazine.

Military-style high capacity Coke magazine.

23 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:31 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: neverdem

The key question on the scope of the Second Amendment is, “What was it’s intended purpose?” I remember my history prof. in college saying that it appeared the purpose was to assure that American citizens could raise and arm their own militia against an oppressive government gone rogue against those very citizens. So it stands to reason that as the armed ability of the government increases, so should the ability of the citizens. It doesn’t make sense to assume that the sole purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that all citizens could shoot quail for dinner.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 7:43:09 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: dhs12345

What about the static straps, diamond in the back, and spinner hubcaps? Lot’s of indirect horsepower there.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 8:01:06 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Travis McGee
You've been a criminal for years, on account of what you've posted here -- you criminal, you.

But let's praise the efficiency of socialism, which in China has found a way to expend only one bullet per criminal, and then, in the fulness of Chinese socialist frugality and their commitment to extracting every last drop of Guevarist justice, they invoice the surviving family for the bullet that killed their kin.

Is socialism great, or what?

<vast wave of applause>

26 posted on 12/19/2012 8:03:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: dhs12345
Oh, and a camo strap... well that is off the charts.

Is that like taking both bumpers off a '57 Chevy?

27 posted on 12/19/2012 8:11:40 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Avid Coug
The key question on the scope of the Second Amendment is, “What was it’s intended purpose?”

Framers Madison and Hamilton made their intent quite clear as to the role, extent, purpose, and membership of the Militia in their discussion of it in The Federalist, and how the Militia (who are the People themselves, in arms) related to the States' governments, and to the Federal government.

The Second Amendment was written to ensure that state and federal governments, and not even Congress, could effectively disarm the People to make them their playthings, by passing a law that might read, under the Article I powers of Congress to prescribe the armament and training of the Militia, that the Militia should be armed with small sticks and piles of throwing-stones, and should not train with them more often than once every 20 years, or something like that.

28 posted on 12/19/2012 8:17:59 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
version of the US military’s principal assault weapon, plus two equally deadly handguns.

Sometimes libs let it slip that their most dangerous weapon is a school administrator.

29 posted on 12/19/2012 8:44:01 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Is socialism great, or what?

Exactly. And a lot of leftists look to China as a model.

I wonder what the average days on Death Row the average Chinese sentenced to death has to wait?

30 posted on 12/20/2012 8:26:34 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Yup. Ban them all.


31 posted on 12/20/2012 8:35:20 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: lentulusgracchus

And the chrome, don’t forget the chrome.


32 posted on 12/20/2012 8:37:01 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

I still think the media is racist going after all these ‘black’ guns.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 8:39:30 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Lol. The term they use is “assault.” As if the rifle will jump out of its case and attack you.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 8:45:06 AM PST by dhs12345
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