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Carry weapon question. Looking for a CC with the following....
www.freerepublic.com ^ | 12/19/12 | jdsteel

Posted on 12/19/2012 6:00:17 PM PST by jdsteel

I'm interested in a 9mm or slightly smaller quality handgun that has a stock laser pointer. Comfortable carry and the laser are equally important.


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To: jdsteel

I have a like-new Keltec pf9 with aftermarket laser and a carrying belt clip. i will sell the package for $275 plus freight. I have only fired it about 70 times and I have decided to carry a wheelgun instead.


51 posted on 12/19/2012 7:11:03 PM PST by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Cuttnhorse

That’s what I have — but the ‘Ectreme’ with extended 7 round mag. My other CC weapons are a Taurus Titanium revolver snubbie with shrouded hammer in .38/.357, and a Taurus 738 semi-auto in .380.

One of the best buys offering quality and a decent price:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_49_75/products_id/77999/Ruger+LCP+.380+2.75%22+wLasermax+Laser

and:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_49_75/products_id/77998/Ruger+LC9+9mm+w+Lasermax+Laser

Can’t beat Rugers for durability and reliability.


52 posted on 12/19/2012 7:13:20 PM PST by razorbak
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To: wrench
and do not have needless safeties that render the gun useless in an emergency

I had long gun and revolver experience long before getting a semi auto. At one time I would have been nervous about the notion of carrying a semi auto without a safety. Sure changed my mind on that point.

53 posted on 12/19/2012 7:14:19 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: gorush

Nice scale for scale. Thumbs up!


54 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:39 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I read that in a California Highway Patrol magazine. They did a study of all the gun fights the troopers were in and the average distance was twelve feet. And in NYC how many bullets did these cops fire and only hit the guy a few times?


55 posted on 12/19/2012 7:18:13 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Thing is you have to constantly ensure the batteries are fresh. I like those plastic sights (add on) that have that bright look to them.


56 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:08 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: jdsteel

I spent months looking for my CC. Didn’t like trigger pull of LC9. Love my Glock 19 so went with Beretta Nano. Same feel as a Glock, tiny, and fun to shoot. Also comes with laser option, and extended mag just became available.


57 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:46 PM PST by zkbeta51
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“What would Dr. Evil say about iron sights first and lasers later?”

He’d probably tell me to talk to the hand.


58 posted on 12/19/2012 7:32:41 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: jdsteel
Here's my recommendation: Sig Sauer P938

Can't go wrong with a Sig.

+1!

I have the P238 HD with a Sig Laser. The difference are the caliber (P238 shoots .380 ACP, the newer P938 shoots 9mm. The barrel of the P938 is 1/2" longer. The height is the same. The grip is slightly deeper on the the P938, since 9mm cartridges are longer than .380 cartridges. Width is identical.

Photos of the P938 are hard to find since it's a relatively new pistol, so I'll post photos of the more established P238 with lasers.

Photo of the P238 with Sig Sauer Laser:

And with the CrimsonTrace LaserGuard instead of the Sig laser:

Oh . . . and another big selling point for me, the Sig has REAL sights. Not just a milled imperceptible groove in the slides. And on MOST models, they're tritium night sights that glow amazingly bright in the dark.

The down side: Sigs are expensive.

59 posted on 12/19/2012 7:38:26 PM PST by AUTiger83
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To: SkyDancer
Thing is you have to constantly ensure the batteries are fresh

I have to do that with everything that requires batteries. The laser wont be necessary once one learns to point and shoot rather than have to take aim at a target.

60 posted on 12/19/2012 7:41:28 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: AUTiger83
And one more difference about the Sigs. It's one of the few small concealed carry pistols that are single-action, rather than double action. Downside, it has a safety (but you can always leave that in "fire" position).

And lastly, I've put Hogue rubber grips on it, replacing the side panels. A perfect feeling pistol for people with small hands.

61 posted on 12/19/2012 7:44:30 PM PST by AUTiger83
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To: zkbeta51

I like the looks and the positive reviews I’ve seen for the Beretta Nano and the S&W Shield.


62 posted on 12/19/2012 7:46:54 PM PST by razorbak
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To: gorush

How does the Airweight compare to the S&W “Ladysmith”?

I got a Ladysmith cause it was small and I knew someday I’d live where CCW’s were easier to get.


63 posted on 12/19/2012 7:50:31 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: jdsteel

An airweight Smith is your best bet by far. Zero Maintenance, magazine fed semi’s are cute but the springs are an issue. You can sit load a revolver today, pick it up in 2015, pull the trigger and it will work.

What more can you ask?


64 posted on 12/19/2012 7:51:32 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: razorbak
Ruger LC9, 9mm -- around $400 Ruger LCP, .380 -- around $350
65 posted on 12/19/2012 8:02:51 PM PST by razorbak
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To: jdsteel

Wallet handgun

by the time the robber knows it’s a gun, he’s gone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4o-jEcmp-U

http://www.gunnersecurity.com/shop/ccw-pocket-concealment-wallet-holster-for-380s/


66 posted on 12/19/2012 8:06:30 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: SIDENET

For the LC9, buy the lazerlyte. $90 at Optics Planet and free shipping. Easy as pie to put on and works great.


67 posted on 12/19/2012 8:09:55 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: jdsteel

how many clips do you want it to take?


68 posted on 12/19/2012 8:16:53 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: jdsteel

Three very good CC options are: Ruger LCP DAO 380, Kel-Tec PF9 9mm DAO and Ruger LCR if you like a revolver, (it fires 38 special and 38 +p). All are very light small and easy to conceal. They also perform very well and are consistent and reliable. I have personally used all of these and would depend on them in as a quick response close encounter weapon.

A bit of advice here, if I may:
Your choice of weapons is like your nose, having someone else pick it for you is just WRONG!


69 posted on 12/19/2012 8:36:43 PM PST by RAWGUY
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To: jdsteel

Try the Bersa compact. Add an after market laser. The 9 has a built in rail for that. I got one about 5 months ago, and I find it very accurate, although I’m a better shot with iron sights than with the laser.


70 posted on 12/19/2012 8:39:35 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Yeah, I thought I was a good shot before I got my Taurus UL85. With the flame you get out of a two inch barrel you know that if you don't stop them at least they won't have any eyebrows.

Now with my CZ52 I know that I can not only stop the bad guy at a distance but the two or three bad guys lined up behind him, LOL!

71 posted on 12/19/2012 8:39:52 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: mnehring

Ruger LC9 ... I have one Mrs Clamper has one. Goes in the pocket with either of us EVERYWHERE


72 posted on 12/19/2012 9:01:20 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: fatrat
I have a like-new Keltec pf9 with aftermarket laser and a carrying belt clip. . . . . .

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I have the same gun and love it. I carry EVERYWHERE, the clip makes it so concealable. Totally concealable is really important. The perp has to think you are not a threat.

9mm is not a lot of stopping power. I conceal carry hollow point and a hot load to help a little. If you get into a real firefight with a pistol you brought the wrong weapon, you need a long gun.

My Keltec only gives me 8 rounds. I practice every 2 weeks so I will hit my target and I will hurt it. I will hopefully have the advantage of surprise over my target. I think most assailants don't want a fight, they want to hold you up and get out. They likely don't practice every two weeks and are already nervous and shaking when they start.

I hope I never have to kill somebody but if I shoot that is likely what I will be doing, two in the center of mass and one in the head. Its the way I practice and you do what you practice. Hollow points are very painful, if I get my shots off first the fight will likely be over. The perps buddies will have left him when they heard the first shot, for all they know its a cop.

A laser sight is fun, but mostly useless and it will give you away before you pull the trigger. Some perp might load up his drawers if he sees the laser on him but I wouldn't count on it.

Whatever gun you get it is useless if you don't carry all the time. Most people who get larger guns do not carry all the time because it is a hassle. Carrying a smaller gun is practically unnoticeable to you. Because if there is no pain in carrying you will then carry. Even a 22 is better than a 45 if the 45 is at home and your not.

There may be better quality guns than the PF9 but after a couple thousand rounds through it it still shoots well. It is hard to find a smaller 9mm than the Keltec, all in all I'd say its a good gun to own.

My wife's Ruger LCR 38 is not bad either, I would certainly not like to get hit with it. She is a dead eye so her five rounds are ok for her, I rather like having my 8.

73 posted on 12/19/2012 9:06:43 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: jdsteel

Revolver-Ruger SP 101 in .357 mag
Semi Auto-Springfield XDS in .45 ACP.

Both are easy to carry and easy to shoot.


74 posted on 12/20/2012 3:44:22 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Renegade
Thank you all and Merry Christmas! I will spend some of my leisure time during the holiday making a spreadsheet of the suggestions. I will spend some time at the range narrowing it down to my final choice. Freepers are the best!
75 posted on 12/20/2012 6:03:57 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Stormdog

Nope, not my first and I’m a pretty fair shot with my S&W model 469.


76 posted on 12/20/2012 6:10:12 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: suthener

My XDM .40 fits nicely in my purse! Sometimes being a girl is an advantage.


77 posted on 12/20/2012 6:22:47 AM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: jdsteel

I highly reccomend the BG380. I have had no FTF nor FTE. It’s quite accurate. I carry in condition 1. And no, it will not fire if dropped. Some do not like a laser, but I love it. I love shooting at night time. It’s like most activities, practice, practice, practice. Good luck.


78 posted on 12/20/2012 7:01:39 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Stormdog

My brother bought a S&W .380 bodyguard with the laser sight on it for his wife. He brought it by my house, I have a range out back since I live in the boonies and we shot it. At one point I asked him about why he paid extra for the laser when Ruger, Keltec and Taurus had similar models? Because of the laser sight built in.

I said I see, but I have a question: if you or her were carrying and suddenly attacked would you have time to actually turn on the laser sight? His response, probably not. Then I suggest you train shooting it without the laser.

I told him that if he knew the attack was coming then the activation and use of the laser sight might be useful, otherwise train with the old fashioned sights.

Personally I carry the Keltec PF9 and the only modification I would make would be night sights which I would think would be more valuable.


79 posted on 12/20/2012 11:04:35 AM PST by sarge83
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I recently bought a Kahr CW40 and unfortunately I’m not happy with it. Lots of feeding problems. I think the design is just too compact to handle the 40 cal cartridge. Thinking about trading it in for a 9mm, but after looking at the Ruger LC9 I’m wondering if I might like it better.


80 posted on 12/20/2012 11:34:00 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: sarge83

You gave your brother some very sound advice. Lasers have their place but point shooting is not one of them IMHO. I say this because if you get used to looking at the dot first, it’s probably going to be too late.

You probably know this, but learning how to point shoot at varying distances is a lot of fun. And if you have the room to do it like your brother has (and can do it safely, of course), you can incorporate the other big part of defensive shooting, Move, don’t stay put!!


81 posted on 12/20/2012 12:56:14 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: sarge83; Stormdog
train with the old fashioned sight

99.9% of the time in an emergency self defense situation, the defender will not have the time to take aim with sites or laser.

82 posted on 12/20/2012 1:02:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

“99.9% of the time in an emergency self defense situation, the defender will not have the time to take aim with sites or laser.”

You’re right. That’s why I recommend learning how to point shoot.

But, people still have to learn how to use their sights.


83 posted on 12/20/2012 2:56:00 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Stormdog
That’s why I recommend learning how to point shoot.

See my posts #21 and #38.

84 posted on 12/20/2012 3:09:44 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I saw that you were on it. We’re on the same page.


85 posted on 12/20/2012 3:17:37 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: 6ppc

My hands on experience with semi autos is very limited. My daughter used to be a cop and I relied a lot on her opinion. She used Sig Sauer 40 cal as a cop. Does not like Glocks. As a civilian she decided on the Kahr P9. Partly because of its compact size fits a woman’s smaller hand well, and it’s concealable-ness. So I read reviews and then borrowed hers for a weekend. I thought about going with 40 cal, but I wanted my wife to train with and use it so decided to stick with the 9mm. I like it, simple and functional. I put the Hogue rubber grip on it, which was a real improvement. My wife likes it and that makes a big difference. In a crsis situation, I like that she doesn’t have to deal with a safety.

One thing my daughter warned me about is that Kahrs are noted for not feeding the first round well if you put the maximum rounds in the mag. Sure enough, it works a lot better if you load 6 in a 7 round mag. You can get around that by chambering a round and then topping the mag to 7.

My biggest problem is that I have unlimited free access to a friend’s private range within 15 minutes of my home. I am constantly sneaking out in the afternoon for an hour. Range fees are now zero, ammo costs on the other hand are getting painful.


86 posted on 12/20/2012 5:52:05 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’ll second that on the Kahr CW9. I have had several other very small pistols, and this one is by far my favorite. It is a pleasure to carry and very accurate and easy to shoot.


87 posted on 12/20/2012 10:08:37 PM PST by Gritty (If any of the Western world is to survive, it has to find a way to turn around, to go back-Mk Steyn)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
My biggest problem is that I have unlimited free access to a friend’s private range within 15 minutes of my home. I am constantly sneaking out in the afternoon for an hour. Range fees are now zero, ammo costs on the other hand are getting painful.

LOL! I'm a life member at a range five minutes from my house, so I understand. I'm actually a benchrest shooter and even though I have semi-auto pistols, it's been years since I shot them. The Kahr 40 is just not very controllable even if it didn't have feed problems. No way to double tap with it. I'm going to look at other options for carry...9mm or maybe the S&W Bodyguard 38. I've never owned a revolver, but thinking that might be the way to go for reliability.

88 posted on 12/21/2012 6:25:23 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: 6ppc

I have an Airweight 38. It’s got a lot going for it as a CC gun. But you have to practice a lot to get as good as you can with it because the tiny barrel is so limiting in accuracy. OTOH, with lots ($18 a box, lots of boxes) of practice I can do pretty well out to 12-15 feet, which I think is reasonable for its likely use. I can drop it in my front pocket when wearing jeans and you’d never know what it is. Very concealable. And it packs a punch. 158 grain rounds make it feel like a small cannon. As a revolver with an 8.5 lb trigger pull, you won’t shoot anyone accidentally.


89 posted on 12/21/2012 7:22:42 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Thanks. I’ll take a look at the Airweight.


90 posted on 12/21/2012 7:55:10 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: AUTiger83

Bookmark. This is a great thread.


91 posted on 12/21/2012 4:46:12 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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