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British violent crime 4 times that in the US.
The Telegraph ^ | 02 Jul 2009 | Richard Edwards

Posted on 12/20/2012 1:24:36 PM PST by Fido969

... there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; britain; cnn; crime; crimerate; guncontrol; murder; murderrate; piersmorgan; secondamendment; uk; violence
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Piers Morgan exploded at Pratt because Pratt was about to pwn him.

The next time a politician suggests British-style regulations in the US, they should know about this.

Also, should CNN grant "equal time" by publicizing this fact?

1 posted on 12/20/2012 1:24:43 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969
Any reputable J-School would show students that "interview" by Piers Morgan and take it apart piece by piece as a perfect object lesson for how self-respecting "journalists" will NOT behave.

But, of course, no J-school will do such thing -- because Piers was performing his proper function: shilling for Big Government.

2 posted on 12/20/2012 1:29:23 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Fido969
The UK is working on it.

UK moving towards ban of sharp, pointy chef knives. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal. The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

3 posted on 12/20/2012 1:34:36 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Fido969

Impossible. Great Britain has banned guns. Just like Chicago.


4 posted on 12/20/2012 1:36:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Fido969

That bit of news should make Piers cry in his pork pie.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 1:37:02 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Fido969

Dam is this correct? Because reading this over not just the UK but all of gun control Europe is FAR MORE VIOLENCE then the “gun crazy” US


6 posted on 12/20/2012 1:37:08 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Fido969

That story is from 2009. Got any updates from 2010/2011?


7 posted on 12/20/2012 1:40:11 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Fido969

The “crime rate” in the US is often extrapolated from the murder rate, which is indeed much higher than in most Western countries.

But as you point out here, violence is more than murder.

The results are not necessarily apples to apples, as jurisdictions define and categorize crimes differently. That’s the advantage of murder as a category, the guy’s either dead or he isn’t.

I wish I could remember where I saw it, but it was about five years ago. It pointed out that 20 years earlier, which would have been near the peak of the US crime wave, a person was 8x more likely to be mugged in London than NYC. But at the time of the writing, UK crime had jumped a bunch, and NYC crime was way down. You were then 8x more likely to be mugged in London than NYC.


8 posted on 12/20/2012 1:40:48 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tophat9000

Its pretty much a given that all violent crime rates, with the singular exception of murder, are higher in Britain than they are in the states, and it has been that way for years.

Gun crimes are fairly low though, and I have to say that that is certainly due to restrictive gun regulations, any rise in gun crime is due to primarily social factors (declining morality, media sensationalism etc), rather than the availability of guns.

Furthermore, whilst restricted access to guns has undeniably led to less homicidal gun rampages by crazies, but it is far less quantifiable to assess how many murders/other violent crimes would have been prevented by guns. Our violent crime rates would probably be a lot less overall as in the States if more people had guns, but on the other hand, we’d probably be seeing a lot more schools, shopping centres, cinemas etc being shot up.

That is my impartial observation on the situation.


9 posted on 12/20/2012 1:48:28 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Sherman Logan

The murder rate is higher. But one interesting thing is that if someone here justifiably shoots another person in self defense, it is first classified as a “homicide”. It is only after a ruling by the authority (usually a district attorney) that the homicide is ruled “justifiable”.

A lot of organizations (including the UN) use the first number , not the second.


10 posted on 12/20/2012 1:56:50 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"Its pretty much a given that all violent crime rates, with the singular exception of murder..."

Is that "total murder" or "firearms murder". The antis obfuscate the issue by comparing only "firearms murder", leaving out murder by other means.

11 posted on 12/20/2012 1:59:41 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: KeyLargo

These people are insane.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 2:04:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sherman Logan

Obvious typo in first reference. 25 years ago or so you were 8x more likely to get mugged in NYC than London. 20 years later it was the reverse.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 2:09:45 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Your churches, schools and shopping centers would be getting shot up at a rate above random if you were so stupid as to declare them GUN FREE ZONES.

All that does is attract the crazies to use them as shooting galleries.

Now, if your choices are that a few should get shot rather than many should be maimed for life, I suppose you might try restricting firearms from possession by the whole body of the people.

I guess Americans prefer to not be maimed by punks. I sure don't want to be maimed ~ and they are better off dead if they try. They won't be back.

14 posted on 12/20/2012 2:19:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sigurdrifta
The murder rate is higher. But one interesting thing is that if someone here justifiably shoots another person in self defense, it is first classified as a “homicide”. It is only after a ruling by the authority (usually a district attorney) that the homicide is ruled “justifiable”.

That's a good point and one reason I take issue with the attacks on Detroit as the murder capitol. Detroit does lead the nation in justifiable homicide but that because people can carry open or concealed and people are defending themselves. In fact I think you would find that a surprising number of those justifiable homicides are committed by people much older than the average thug.
15 posted on 12/20/2012 2:22:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Fido969

But we still got ‘em beat in murder.
The dirty secret about murder is that it substantially “red on red” with scum killing scum at no net loss to society.
Also, law-abiding gun owners dispose of a fair number of street goblins, too.


16 posted on 12/20/2012 2:34:12 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Fido969

The dirty little secret is that if you remove the cities with corrupt politicians, their large welfare populations and harsh gun control laws the crime rate in the U.S. is far below that of Britain and Europe.

Another dirty little secret no one will talk about. The crime rate for Americans of European descent is far lower than any comparable country in Europe.

Most of America has crime rates far below Europe with their socialist economies and harsh gun control.


17 posted on 12/20/2012 2:36:37 PM PST by detective
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To: Fido969

Since that article was from 2009, do you have any statistics that are current?


18 posted on 12/20/2012 2:42:58 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Fido969

From the article:

“More than 20 people a day were taken to hospital accident and emergency departments in England last year after being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten.” (population of England is about 53 Million)

“The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927”
2007 Homicides, Chicago & NYC - 923

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map
New York City homicides 2007 - 478

http://www.progressillinois.com/posts/content/2012/08/23/what-make-chicago-murder-rate
Chicago homicides 2007 - 445 (1974 - 970!)

UK Population: 62,641,000 (2011) World Bank
NYC & Chicago Population: 10,951,030

Chicago Population: 2,707,120 (2011) http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1714000.html
NYC Population: 8,244,910 (2011) http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/3651000.html

NYC Violent Crime
-————— 1990 - 1995 - 1998 - 2001 - 2011
Murder -—— 2,262 - 1,181 - 629 - 649 - 515
Fel. Assault 44,122 35,528 28,848 23,020 18,600
———————————————Total 21,126

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

Over 21,000 felonious assaults or murders in NYC in 2011 vs about 7300 in England last year “after being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten.”

England has 6 times the population of NYC and 1/3 the chance of “being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten” vs murdered or feloniously assaulted in NYC.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 2:43:58 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: KeyLargo; Fido969
The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

Perhaps, but....


20 posted on 12/20/2012 2:49:07 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Do you have a link to that interview?


21 posted on 12/20/2012 2:50:48 PM PST by matt04
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To: Fido969

Newsflash: British politicians disarm lawabiding subjects to make it easier for the criminals to apply thier trade.


22 posted on 12/20/2012 3:09:31 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Fido969
This is BS. From the article:

Researchers admit that comparisons of crime data between countries must be viewed with caution because of differing criminal justice systems and how crimes are reported and measured.

From the Telegraph:

Violent inner-city crime, the figures, and a question of race

26 Jun 2010

-snip-

The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.

They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property. Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7.5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city- crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

The US has over triple the murder rate of the UK. Their black population is only 1.8%, so that should be a tip-off about these stats.

23 posted on 12/20/2012 3:11:39 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Fido969

I don’t see any reference to Britain’s ongoing demographic transition into an Islamic country. I would expect that to bring up crime rates a lot, at least until judicial power is handed off to the Muslims, when they then can impose Sharia - which has a way of dealing with crime that is quite effective.


24 posted on 12/20/2012 3:13:13 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Fido969

Drugs, pub culture and lack of Christian values.


25 posted on 12/20/2012 3:17:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Fido969

It’s 1968 all over again.

Back then, after the murder of Bobby Kennedy, I picked up a copy of PUNCH. One of the cartoons showed two Englishmen walking down the street. They see a newspaper telling of the murder of Bobby Kennedy. One Englishman says to the other....”MY GOD! What is going on over there!”

They are both oblivious to the shadow of English crime stalking them.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 3:23:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Fido969

It’s shocking how our media (I’m a Brit) think they are soooo superior to America.......the sheer arrogance of them, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of ‘them crazy red necks’ losing their guns is sickening.....


27 posted on 12/20/2012 3:27:00 PM PST by UKrepublican
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To: Fido969

It’s also important to note the big difference between the *resolution* of violent crimes in the UK vs. the US.

That is, in the UK, violent criminals are far more likely to get away with it, than in the US.

For example, if a violent criminal robs a liquor store in Britain, he will likely walk away with loot. In the US, he gets shot up, and dies on the floor. But in both instances, a “violent crime” is recorded, as if they were equal.


28 posted on 12/20/2012 3:33:02 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Fido969

B-b-b-but they have gun control! Doesn’t it stop all crime? My world is shattered./s


29 posted on 12/20/2012 3:43:08 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: KeyLargo

UK moving towards ban of sharp, pointy chef knives. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

Let’s not forget eye gouges. Register all fingers.

99% of all rapists use penises as the weapon of penetration. Obviously, this is a convenient weapon, especially when prompted by alcohol, drugs, and randiness.

Then there’s head-butting, biting, and knees to the groin, all commonly used at football riots.

The most deadly weapon of all is a shoe lace or necktie, used for garroting. The Thugist cult was especially fond of the garrot.


30 posted on 12/20/2012 3:48:38 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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The Thugist cult was especially fond of the garrot.

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Yes and they has neckscarves made just for that purpose... I did some reading on them after that Indiana Jones movie that focused on them...

The garrott is cheap , deadly and can never be outlawed as you can improvise one anywhere and at a moments notice. If used properly it has the added advantage of depriving your victim of the chance to call for help.

Imagine these around your neck instead of your wrists..


31 posted on 12/20/2012 4:13:57 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: ClearCase_guy
Any reputable J-School

"Reputable J-School" is an oxymoron.

That schools of journalism even exist is an indication of how low our education system has become little more than training for the trades. There is absolutely no reason for their existence.

32 posted on 12/20/2012 4:46:15 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Fido969

The article states: “...Alcohol is blamed as a factor in half of the incidents...”

England and Wales have the world’s highest level of drinking and drunkenness, as I recall, which is difficult to combat in spite of several educations programs devoted to teaching people sane alcohol policies and practices. They are attempting to raise taxes on booze, close grog shops earlier, etc


33 posted on 12/20/2012 5:00:08 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Fido969

The article states: “...Alcohol is blamed as a factor in half of the incidents...”

England and Wales have the world’s highest level of drinking and drunkenness, as I recall, which is difficult to combat in spite of several educations programs devoted to teaching people sane alcohol policies and practices. They are attempting to raise taxes on booze, close grog shops earlier, etc

If it was just about individual rights, no one would care very much, but public health costs caused by alcohol addiction, hospital admissions, etc. soak up a huge part of the budget. Those monies would be better spent taking care of injuries and diseases that are not self-inflicted.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 5:04:12 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Fido969

Remind Brit commentators that Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. How did gun control measures work there? Also somebody remind Piers Morgan that the US Congress does not have any members who belong to a political party that specifically reference the AR-15 in one of there most famous slogans. The UK has five members of Parliament who do. I guess they forget this famous speech,

“Who here really believes we can win the war through the ballot box? But will anyone here object if, with a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite(AR-15) in the other, we take power in Ireland?”

The UK political party is Sinn Fein, and they have 5 MP’s in Westminster and many, many more in the local Northern Ireland Assembly. Guys like Morgan act like this part of their recent history never happened.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 5:16:50 PM PST by gusty
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To: Veto!
From the perspective of the Parliament & local councils:

If it was just about individual rights, no one would care very much, but public health costs caused by alcohol addiction, hospital admissions, etc. soak up a huge part of the budget. Those monies would be better spent taking care of injuries and diseases that are not self-inflicted on new offices & furniture, higher government wages, vote buying schemes, and funding MPs' buddies' "research" grants.

36 posted on 12/20/2012 6:05:46 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Sigurdrifta
The murder rate is higher. But one interesting thing is that if someone here justifiably shoots another person in self defense, it is first classified as a “homicide”. It is only after a ruling by the authority (usually a district attorney) that the homicide is ruled “justifiable”.

I believe the UN even classifies fatal shootings by LEOs as "homicides". Of course that is buried in the reports that are used in their anti-gun propaganda.

37 posted on 12/20/2012 7:42:09 PM PST by expat1000
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To: matt04

Piers Morgan embarrassing himself while “interviewing” Larry Pratt of GOA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9z1wfgNf9E


38 posted on 12/20/2012 7:56:35 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The “crime rate” in the US is often extrapolated from the murder rate

And if you break that number out on a municipal basis where it is mostly criminal-on-criminal murder, you would find that on the whole, the US is one of the safest places to live.

Not that different in the UK where crime is localized in 'certain' areas among 'certain' groups... i.e. those living off their welfare system.

39 posted on 12/20/2012 7:56:48 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Neidermeyer
One could market a metal collar to be worn under your shirt. Wouldn't it amaze a thug to try something like this and run into metal! Maybe I'll start to wear a metal collar, as sometimes I can be in situations, while ministering to people, where my neck seems particularly vulnerable. Of course, my one and only ultimate defense is always the protection of The LORD, which can never be penetrated.
40 posted on 12/20/2012 9:23:49 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thanks. This is honestly the first time I watched CNN, in, um, well I can’t remember the last time, besides in being on in a airport. Morgan lost just based on his demeanor and disapproving head shaking.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 9:35:02 PM PST by matt04
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To: detective

Oh so that is simple to fix, just ban firearms in all of the big cities, then sit back and watch the crime rates plummet!


42 posted on 12/20/2012 11:48:43 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Fido969

God Bless the Telegraph! Always an outstanding source!


43 posted on 12/21/2012 1:01:13 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Fido969
Check out this link at the Telegraph page:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/9551123/Two-female-police-officers-shot-dead-in-Greater-Manchester.html

Two unarmed police officers shot dead. The perp used a gun and a grenade. Wanted for a prior murder.

44 posted on 12/21/2012 1:40:37 AM PST by GVnana
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To: SecondAmendment
“just ban firearms in all of the big cities, then sit back and watch the crime rates plummet!”

Firearms have already been banned in most of the Democrat controlled cities for over 30 years. Honest citizens are denied protection. Criminals are well armed.

Chicago has had almost 450 children shot so far in 2012. Chicago has extremely strict gun control laws.

45 posted on 12/21/2012 1:59:35 AM PST by detective
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"partial observation"

My Brit in-laws say that it's not violent crimes that are the problem, it's theft and property crimes that are the major headaches. One of my in-laws lives outside Norwich, and one night a few years ago he and his wife awoke in the middle of the night to noise outside their home. It was several people brazenly trying to steal the tires off their car which was parked in front of their home. He opened the windown and shouted at them, and they fled. They notified the police, but nobody was arrested.

46 posted on 12/21/2012 3:00:24 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Sherman Logan

After spending five days in London six years ago, I think I’d rather take my chances there than NYC. The wife and I walked all over the place. No problems. Had a great time.


47 posted on 12/21/2012 3:05:02 AM PST by driftless2
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To: KeyLargo
The research is published in the British Medical Journal. The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

I saw this. They intend that only long ROUNDED knives be sold and possessed.

See, because it is IMPOSSIBLE to grind a rounded point, to a sharp point. Metal doesn't respond like that. If a criminal tried to grind a rounded point to a sharp one, the knife would get out it's cell phone and call the police.

48 posted on 12/21/2012 3:22:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: mylife
In prison, you are strictly prohibited from owning anything that could be used as a knife.

At what point do we simply declare all of Britain one big prison?

49 posted on 12/21/2012 3:24:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: gusty
"Remind Brit commentators that Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. How did gun control measures work there? "

Actually, Northern Ireland has the most relaxed gun laws in the UK. Handguns are not banned, and it is the only part of the UK where self-defence is a valid reason for applying for a firearms certificate (meaning you don't have to join a gun club and go target shooting now and again in order to provide that as a justification as in the mainland)...

50 posted on 12/21/2012 4:29:29 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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