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Poll: Gun control beats 2nd amendment
politico ^ | 12/20/12 | KEVIN CIRILLI

Posted on 12/20/2012 3:41:42 PM PST by ColdOne

But a Gallup poll released Wednesday found that more Americans think banning assault and semi-automatic guns wouldn’t be as effective at preventing school shootings compared with alternatives — such as increasing the government’s mental health spending and adding police presence at schools.

Pew notes that public opinion for gun control legislation remains significantly lower than before Obama took office.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/20/2012 3:41:50 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Manufactured consent.

All of a sudden, everybody agrees with Obama.

Convenient isn’t it?


2 posted on 12/20/2012 3:45:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

No way. None.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 3:49:36 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: ColdOne

The 2nd amendment still trumps all of it!


4 posted on 12/20/2012 3:49:44 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: MestaMachine

I knew where this was going yesterday when Obama repeatedly said that the majority of Americans agree with him and called for them to get out there and put pressure on those unreasonable republicans for gun control and raising taxes.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 3:52:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ColdOne

Where did they take the poll, NYC?


6 posted on 12/20/2012 3:53:01 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: ColdOne
Non-stop media pounding and misinformation following the Newtown tragedy - all the Bay Area rags have been hammering the 'we need to do something now' meme for a week - and this is as good as they can come up with?

Wait another month when the public is no longer grieving over the loss and any pro gun control sentiment will have evaporated.

7 posted on 12/20/2012 3:53:10 PM PST by skeeter
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To: ColdOne

Where did they take the poll, NYC?


8 posted on 12/20/2012 3:53:10 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: ColdOne

Where did they take the poll, NYC?


9 posted on 12/20/2012 3:53:26 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

DNC HQ


10 posted on 12/20/2012 3:59:08 PM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: ColdOne

LOL. The Constitution is supposed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. If the majority wants to change the Constitution, there is an amendment process. Polls are meaningless in terms of the Constitution.


11 posted on 12/20/2012 4:01:59 PM PST by kabar
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To: ColdOne

Commenter Tea.Party.Jesus is scary.

Our country has gone crazy.
20 innocent kids make them forget 3000 innocent Americans on 911 and have them scrambling to become defenseless.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 4:03:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ColdOne

Shoot all those favor gun control and the problem is solved. Ridding the world of idiots (i.e. liberals) and we’d all be better off.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 4:06:13 PM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: ColdOne

I don’t remember seeing anything about “opinion polls” in Article V.


14 posted on 12/20/2012 4:06:40 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ColdOne
Poll: Gun control beats 2nd amendment

Ah, but do 2/3 of the House and Senate, and 3/4 of the State Legislatures, beat the 2nd Amendment?

Doubt it.

15 posted on 12/20/2012 4:07:26 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: tacticalogic

funny thing the article states

“But a Gallup poll released Wednesday found that more Americans think banning assault and semi-automatic guns wouldn’t be as effective at preventing school shootings compared with alternatives — such as increasing the government’s mental health spending and adding police presence at schools.

and even at the is sad time its lead line is only “true” by 1 %


16 posted on 12/20/2012 4:09:12 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: tacticalogic

funny thing the article states

“But a Gallup poll released Wednesday found that more Americans think banning assault and semi-automatic guns wouldn’t be as effective at preventing school shootings compared with alternatives — such as increasing the government’s mental health spending and adding police presence at schools.

and even at the is sad time its lead line is only “true” by 1 %


17 posted on 12/20/2012 4:09:19 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: ColdOne
Then try a constitutional amendment, until then the second amendment stands. /flipp


Our founders warned us about assholes like these.

18 posted on 12/20/2012 4:11:37 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: maddog55

Even the LIBs would better off because they wouldn’t have to live with their constant self-loathing. A win/win!!!


19 posted on 12/20/2012 4:11:43 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: cripplecreek

The writing is convoluted (no doubt on purpose-it is Politico), but if I am deciphering it correctly, the result is that people think more attention to mental health and a police presence at schools would be MORE EFFECTIVE than banning assault and semi-automatic weapons. That is a good thing - most people get it.

Also, according to Pew, less people support more gun control NOW than BEFORE Obama took office. That is also a good thing.


20 posted on 12/20/2012 4:12:51 PM PST by randita
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To: cripplecreek

“I knew where this was going yesterday when Obama repeatedly said that the majority of Americans agree with him and called for them to get out there and put pressure on those unreasonable republicans for gun control and raising taxes.”

the majority of Americans voted for the kenyan which just proves once again the majority of americans are low-information, cult-loving idiots.


21 posted on 12/20/2012 4:18:31 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: ColdOne

It’s the low information voters again. Any moron who would vote for the Kenyan, twice, doesn’t really shive a git about rights and freedom. All they care about are freebies, handouts and Obama foams. IOW: They are the lowest form of life to ever roam this planet.


22 posted on 12/20/2012 4:18:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: cripplecreek; All

That a legally owned item is stolen and then used in an illegal manor somehow justifies ownership restrictions is absurd.

Ordinarily such a claim would be laughed out of town, yet that is precisely the claim being made by the gun banners.

The gun used by Lanza was stolen. He then used the stolen gun in an illegal manner. Yet politicians known to have an agenda seem to think this justifies ownership restrictions.

Suppose a legally owned automobile is stolen and then used in an illegal manor, like racing. Would that somehow justify restrictions on automobile ownership? Of course not.

Ordinarily such a “justification” would not be possible. While emotions are high and people are suggestible, it is possible.

Politicians are trying to stampede an emotionally sensitized populace.

Never let a serious crisis go to waste... it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

Exploiting this heinous crime is deplorable.


23 posted on 12/20/2012 4:20:49 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
That a legally owned item is stolen and then used in an illegal manor somehow justifies ownership restrictions is absurd.

What can you expect from a government that smuggles weapons to another country, gets people on both sides of the border killed, only to try to use it to attack our constitutional rights.
24 posted on 12/20/2012 4:25:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: randita
The writing is convoluted (no doubt on purpose-it is Politico), but if I am deciphering it correctly, the result is that people think more attention to mental health and a police presence at schools would be MORE EFFECTIVE than banning assault and semi-automatic weapons. That is a good thing - most people get it. Also, according to Pew, less people support more gun control NOW than BEFORE Obama took office. That is also a good thing.

Yeah. That's how I read it, too. More people want to stay armed, but something should be done about the crazies.

25 posted on 12/20/2012 4:25:47 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: cripplecreek

The police have not completed their investigation. Yet Obama demands his “task force” report by January - less than 2 weeks from now - the steps to be taken to “prevent this from happening again”.

The exploitation of the crime is incredible.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 4:33:26 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ColdOne

Why post a twisted headline that lies about the poll results !
Leftico is the Obama admin pr firm and nothing more !
Leftico has to lie about the polls results since it shows no one support the Marxist and his minions gun grabbing !

I support a ban on Leftico propaganda on this website !


27 posted on 12/20/2012 4:33:26 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: ColdOne

Fine. So, if the nitwits want to do away with the 2nd Amendment, they are welcome to begin the process and attempt to get 2/3rds of the states to vote to discard the amendment with which they have such problems.

Good luck with that, moonbats.


28 posted on 12/20/2012 4:34:22 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: concerned about politics

μολὼν λαβέ


29 posted on 12/20/2012 4:35:08 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Ray76

Our founders deliberately created a form of government that works at a snails pace to avoid knee jerk reactions. With Obama, everything is urgent and needs to be done yesterday.


30 posted on 12/20/2012 4:39:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

They must complete their act while emotions are high, people suggestible, and reason diminished. They are con men. Without scruple.

Delay is preferable to error. - Jefferson


31 posted on 12/20/2012 4:43:14 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ColdOne
This is something Ive been thinking about for quite awhile. You see, Im someone tasked by the state through private business to take care of those with "disabilities".

Approximately, 25% of those Im responsible for overseeing are grifters. There is nothing wrong with them that a swift kick in the pants wouldnt fix.

Another 25% are people with real need. They have a range of disabilities encompassing both physical and mental issues that require real assistance.

Another approximately 25% belong in institutions. Yes, I know that that is extremely expensive (mostly due to unions). Even though pharmacology has progressed a great deal in the last decade, these people, through no direct fault of their own, do not and cannot accept societal norms and may act out in ways society as a whole cannot accept.

The final 25% are an extreme and imminent danger to themselves and the community around them. Their physicians should be stripped of their licenses and many incarcerated themselves for the danger they have knowingly visited on the community. These clients history often speaks of individuals who can identify right from wrong yet are allowed to attempt to deliver their particular form of depravity against a community due to the twisted liberalisation of the courts (thank you, ACLU). Those in this final group all belong in prison, possibly forever.

Until we have a serious discussion about the actual capabilities of these individuals with real disabilities versus Hollywoods "Corky" examples, those who require full time supervision outside of the community, the grifters parasitically feeding on our system, and the dangerous criminals allowed to participate due to clever representation, we will NEVER achieve anything even vaguely similar to a reasonable approach to the problems society experiences.

32 posted on 12/20/2012 5:04:50 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: ColdOne

Meanwhile, membership to the “Second Amendment Organization”, known as the National Rifle Association, has increased 8000 per day since the Sandy Hook shootings.

Also, people are beginning to figure out that the Fiscal Cliff mess isn’t all about the Republicans. The Dems and Obama are crossing a line that they will not be able to go back over.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 5:04:50 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: ColdOne
This is something Ive been thinking about for quite awhile. You see, Im someone tasked by the state through private business to take care of those with "disabilities".

Approximately, 25% of those Im responsible for overseeing are grifters. There is nothing wrong with them that a swift kick in the pants wouldnt fix.

Another 25% are people with real need. They have a range of disabilities encompassing both physical and mental issues that require real assistance.

Another approximately 25% belong in institutions. Yes, I know that that is extremely expensive (mostly due to unions). Even though pharmacology has progressed a great deal in the last decade, these people, through no direct fault of their own, do not and cannot accept societal norms and may act out in ways society as a whole cannot accept.

The final 25% are an extreme and imminent danger to themselves and the community around them. Their physicians should be stripped of their licenses and many incarcerated themselves for the danger they have knowingly visited on the community. These clients history often speaks of individuals who can identify right from wrong yet are allowed to attempt to deliver their particular form of depravity against a community due to the twisted liberalization of the courts (thank you, ACLU). Those in this final group all belong in prison, possibly forever.

Until we have a serious discussion about the actual capabilities of these individuals with real disabilities versus Hollywoods "Corky" examples, those who require full time supervision outside of the community, the grifters parasitically feeding on our system, and the dangerous criminals allowed to participate due to clever representation, we will NEVER achieve anything even vaguely similar to a reasonable approach to the problems society experiences.

34 posted on 12/20/2012 5:05:36 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: ColdOne

Not very good results for their side, frankly.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 5:09:04 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: ColdOne
I suggest to politico that if they REALLY believe what they just wrote, challenge your readers to go to all the local gun shops in their area and ATTEMPT to buy the following:

1, AR-15 rifle of any make
and
1, 30 round magazine for the same rifle.

Let me tell you up front, IF you manage to find one of either, you will pay 4X the price for the item as you would have paid just 5 days ago. I needed a couple of Mags and I can't even find them online unless I want to pay price-gouging rape fees on ebay. People are literally stripping the store shelves right now. It's even worse than the great idiotic ammo hoarding we had when jackass was elected the first time.

There will be no new gun ban... and for the record, I hope all those money grubbing price gougers get stuck with every last one of those magazines... grrrrr

36 posted on 12/20/2012 5:20:35 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: ColdOne

BESLAN! Every Russian knows about newtown..allreaddy....how many Americans know about beslan?where 380 died?where unarmed fathers rushed the school against machine gun fire?

http://rt.com/news/beslan-tragedy-russia-commemorate-195/


37 posted on 12/20/2012 5:22:36 PM PST by Therapsid (Communism has killed 50-60 Million people in only 50 yrs.)
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To: cripplecreek
America is in favor of gun control over the 2nd Amendment. Americans have always been in favor of gun control. "Mattresses were brought up from the cellars and pitched all over the corridors: meals consisted of sandwiches and Victory Coffee wheeled round on trolleys by attendants from the canteen. Each time that Winston broke off for one of his spells of sleep he tried to leave his desk clear of work, and each time that he crawled back sticky-eyed and aching, it was to find that another shower of paper cylinders had covered the desk like a snowdrift, half burying the speakwrite and overflowing on to the floor, so that the first job was always to stack them into a neat enough pile to give him room to work. What was worst of all was that the work was by no means purely mechanical. Often it was enough merely to substitute one name for another, but any detailed report of events demanded care and imagination. Even the geographical knowledge that one needed in transferring the war from one part of the world to another was considerable. By the third day his eyes ached unbearably and his spectacles needed wiping every few minutes. It was like struggling with some crushing physical task,something which one had the right to refuse and which one was nevertheless neurotically anxious to accomplish. In so far as he had time to remember it, he was not troubled by the fact that every word he murmured into the speakwrite, every stroke of his ink-pencil, was a deliberate lie. He was as anxious as anyone else in the Department that the forgery should be perfect." `Nineteen Eightyfour' The MSM `Winston Smiths' have been busy boys and girls.
38 posted on 12/20/2012 7:22:45 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: Therapsid
img src=<"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5V0ByLmrwoA/SSg8vqQi3II/AAAAAAAAAIg/TDpACjn_da0/S660/Beslan01.jpg">

The most memorable picture from Beslan. It haunts me still.

39 posted on 12/20/2012 7:32:16 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan

Sorry, It showed up activated before I posted. Now I don’t recall how to activate the link. Somebody?


40 posted on 12/20/2012 7:34:14 PM PST by WVNan
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To: ColdOne
I don't give a flying crap about their polls.

All we need is 3%.

41 posted on 12/20/2012 7:40:35 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: skeeter

Non-stop media pounding and misinformation following the Newtown tragedy - all the Bay Area rags have been hammering the ‘we need to do something now’ meme for a week - and this is as good as they can come up with?
Wait another month when the public is no longer grieving over the loss and any pro gun control sentiment will have evaporated

what if the pro gun control sentiment dosen’t evaporate??


42 posted on 12/20/2012 8:06:30 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: FunkyZero
FunkyZero said: "There will be no new gun ban... and for the record, I hope all those money grubbing price gougers get stuck with every last one of those magazines... grrrrr"

If you believe what you wrote, then you should be selling now so that you can buy at bargain prices when things calm down.

I bought some items prior to this latest massacre because I wanted to keep the pressure up on the anti-gunners. It's important for them to know that confiscating guns from Americans will be an impossible, death-defying act.

I bought several other items just this week knowing that they are the most likely items to be completely unavailable for the next six months or so.

We certainly live in interesting times.

43 posted on 12/20/2012 10:15:05 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Well, I'm not in it for the money. It pains me to see this world that is special to me as a hobbyist and collector being overtaken by yesterdays baseball card traders, only in it to make a quick buck at the expense of everyone else.

I'm 44 years old and I've never sold a gun, only bought them... with the exception of a couple that my dad took a liking to and I gave them to him.

44 posted on 12/21/2012 5:32:35 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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