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Stop and think - and you will realise that banning guns is a waste of time
Daily Mail ^ | 23 December 2012 | PETER HITCHENS

Posted on 12/23/2012 4:11:36 AM PST by expat1000

Ask yourself this. Even if you had a house full of guns and ammunition, would you then murder a close relative, shoot your way into a nearby primary school and massacre as many children as you could?

Of course you wouldn’t. You would have to be mad to do such a thing, and mad in a rather special way.

And if you were mad in that way, and had no gun, you might use other weapons. There are recent instances in various parts of the world of what appear to be attempted mass murder by car, or by knife.

Take what happened just over a week ago in Chenpeng village school, Henan province, in China. Min Yongjun stabbed an elderly woman before hurting 22 children (many very badly) with a kitchen knife.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/23/2012 4:11:45 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

This isn’t about thinking, this about taking our guns away


2 posted on 12/23/2012 4:13:33 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: expat1000

Great article: why won’t our government examine the linkage between drugs and mass murders?


3 posted on 12/23/2012 4:23:13 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: expat1000

I don’t understand any American wanting to take away one of the rights we have. If the 2nd amendment goes then the 1st is not far behind. This is so UNAMERICAN I can’t stand it! If anything we should get more rights. I guess the Patriot Act proves me wrong.


4 posted on 12/23/2012 4:26:32 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: expat1000
Once again, if they could think, they wouldn't be Rats.

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5 posted on 12/23/2012 4:32:49 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: expat1000

Ah, the Hitchens clan lives on! Thanks Peter.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 4:37:17 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: expat1000

Figure out where you are going to hide your guns. Don’t cooperate. Use passive resistance.


7 posted on 12/23/2012 4:41:20 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: expat1000

The author was speaking of Britain when he said, “Were guns restricted here because of crime? No, they were restricted because the panicky British government thought there might be a revolution.” But he could have been talking about any government, at any time.

Gun bans have NEVER been about crime. They have ALWAYS about the PTB keeping the masses at bay, to keep them under the government thumb, to keep themselves from being overthrown.


8 posted on 12/23/2012 4:43:09 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: popdonnelly

“Figure out where you are going to hide your guns. Don’t cooperate. Use passive resistance.”

And then what? Just meekly submit? There is an old adage: If it is time to hide your guns, it is time to use them.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 4:45:42 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
They have ALWAYS about the PTB keeping the masses at bay, to keep them under the government thumb, to keep themselves from being overthrown

Some of it is even simpler: anarcho-tyranny. It is much easier for the goobs to go after law abiding citizens than to attempt to control (never mind disarm) violent gangs. In fact they chose to intentionally arm violent gangs so they could make an example out of straw purchases to justify going after more law abiding citizens. The gangs are first and foremost allies of the government that the politicians (e.g Bloomberg) use to justify more 2A infringements to the stupid people (e.g. many NYC voters). The gangs are used to justify extra police which are then used to infringe 4A rights.

10 posted on 12/23/2012 5:02:12 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: expat1000
There's one very large group of victims which the lib media never brings up: all the women killed by their ex-husbands because they had no weapon to oppose the mostly stronger male who many times used weapons other than firearms to kill their physically weaker ex-spouse. I don't know how many times in my life I've read a news account of a woman murdered by her ex-husband shortly after the breakup.

Many times the woman was killed in public or emerging from the courthouse after the final papers were signed. I've never heard mention that any of these females were armed and managed to fire back at her attacker. The numbers of these dead women have to be in the thousands. Having a firearm on them certainly would have prevented a great many of those murders.

11 posted on 12/23/2012 5:02:34 AM PST by driftless2
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To: ought-six
If it is time to hide your guns, it is time to use them.

It may be simpler than that for now. The right of the people to keep and bear arms has the corresponding responsibility to keep (at home) and bear (in public). Since all people are in the militia, there is really no excuse no to be well equipped and well trained (= well regulated). Living up to that responsibility even with a modest firearm is the only way to prevent the mass shootings that the politicians pretend to care about. Abdicating that responsibility means we lose the right.

12 posted on 12/23/2012 5:07:05 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: expat1000
Everyone knows that...It's purely political at this point...the same "I won" philisophy that's killing us.

The joke is Fast and Furious proved that the Black Market is alive and well and is chomping at the bit for another market.

13 posted on 12/23/2012 5:12:08 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: New Jersey Realist
I don’t understand any American wanting to take away one of the rights we have.

It's called totalitarianism...

The state is their "god" and gods get to control all aspects of your life since you are incapable of running your own life according to their collective mindset...in other words you are a cog in their system... removing you will help the wheels turn...

There are loads of people in government who would in heartbeat put you up against a wall and put a bullet in your brain if it helped achieve their Marxist goals...

Just look over at DU, KOS, HP...

They don't because of the 2 nd amendment...

14 posted on 12/23/2012 5:14:11 AM PST by Popman (Gun control will not really control guns, but it will give the illusion of controlling people)
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To: South Dakota

It goes beyond that.

Its about taking away our National Identity, our Culture and how Americans view themselves.

Its about Freedom.

Right now, a band of atheist fanatics are trying to ban prayer at West Point.

Freedom of the Press no longer exists - the mainstream media reflect a monoview on every cultural and societal aspect of America.

Whether it is the First, Second, or Tenth Amendment, or any other, there are forces abroad in America which want to remake us - to make America become a clone of the degenerate western socialist states in Europe which are incapable of even protecting their own populations from an invasion of murdering, raping, Islamic fanatics bent on their destruction.

The last election was NOT a blow-out endorsement of Obama, it was a rejection of a particular candidate who was a poor, uninspiring opposition figure.

Its time for Americans to stand up an reject this Marxist and his initiatives in every way possible.

If not, your children will be growing up in a country that resembles England, Greece or Sweden and your grandchildren will be Muslim zombies.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 5:14:18 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: South Dakota

-———this about taking our guns away-——

Which is at the root about the ideological peace and harmony Utopian dream.

Vietnam was the end of war. Peace has resulted, glorious peace. With universal peace, there is no need for defense or the implements of now gone war. Deluded little girls wear pink ribbons and peace symbols. The consider it chic to worship peace. They are destroying America


16 posted on 12/23/2012 5:20:50 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: ought-six
And then what? Just meekly submit? There is an old adage: If it is time to hide your guns, it is time to use them.

What amazes me are the liberals shouting about the need to "confiscate" weapons. That may fly in the blue states, but how are they going to get those weapons in deep red states? Door to door? Do they not realize that the same forces that they expect to confiscate out weapons are our neighbors, our friends and our families? These same morons who spout hatred and disparage our armed forces now expect them to turn on the rest of us?

I think the whole gun confiscation "lets follow the Aussie model" talk is nonsense, at least as long as Republicans are in the majority and there are more Red State Governors then Blue. Just saying that here is GA getting our guns won't be an easy task.

17 posted on 12/23/2012 5:32:14 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: expat1000
If the government were to try to confiscate guns the battle would make the Civil War look minor in comparison. Gun control is a dream of idealists that works only in their Utopian world.
18 posted on 12/23/2012 5:36:08 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: EagleInGA

First, they pass a law that says certain types of firearms cannot be bought or sold or otherwise transfer ownership.

Then, they will pass a law requiring these certain firearms be registered in order to be considered legal. They may also include storage requirements and inspections by the government with large fines for minor errors.

Then, they will pass a law requiring you to turn in your legal firearms.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 5:40:10 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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20 posted on 12/23/2012 5:48:07 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: EagleInGA

The Lefties are brain-addled at a minimum to even consider confiscation. I think this same demented thinking keeps them from truly considering exactly how they will do it. With other laws, the populace just obeys ... even with something as heinous as Obamacare, where we have given up control over our own bodies and are allowing the government to make the decisions about or limit the care we receive that likely will determine if we live or die, we submit and go along with it. I do believe that the Lefties think if they ban guns and “confiscate” them, that the populace will march like lemmings to the police stations and give them up.

Of course, they will be very, very wrong - the Lefties have grabbed the straw that will break the camel’s back and start CWII, in my opinion.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 5:52:47 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: New Jersey Realist

There are discussions now going on about reigning our 1st Amendment rights and also about confiscating 401s, pensions, etc.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 5:54:38 AM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: DugwayDuke
Then, they will pass a law requiring you to turn in your legal firearms.

I am not saying that it can not happen. I am asking how will they enforce it? Do you think all those Red State Governors are going to comply any more then liberal Governors comply with our immigration laws? Do you expect my local sheriff to show up at my house if I don't willingly turn in my weapon? If he did he would know me by name.

My only point is that there is the possible and then there is the practical. Yes, if we continue to elect liberals to national office then we eventually will lose the Supreme Court and potentially have things turn against us. Even then, while some may comply there will be many willing to die. After the second or third incident we have the makings for one significant revolt.

I could be wrong. Just saying ...

23 posted on 12/23/2012 6:31:16 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: expat1000

Try reverse psychology, make it a mandatory federal law that everyone must be armed 24/7, anyone resisting the law subject to federal prison.

Then see what happens.
There is some townships that actually have such laws, should be applied to more places.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 6:38:55 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: expat1000

25 posted on 12/23/2012 6:40:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chainmail

Especially prescription drugs and murder.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 6:40:52 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Popman; New Jersey Realist
I don’t understand any American wanting to take away one of the rights we have.

It's no American; it's Barack Obama.

27 posted on 12/23/2012 6:44:34 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: driftless2

So carrying a gun 24/7 makes me Wonder Woman? How is this any different from the whacko’s mother who kept guns in the house, knowing her son was mentally ill and dangerous? I would be willing to bet that many of the victims of domestic violence have been stealthily killed with a weapon (i.e. club, axe, poison, drugs) that can not easily be traced and identify the assailant. How many women just suddenly disappear - while ex husband claims innocence or “there must have been an accident” - and then her body is found weeks later strangled, stabbed, etc? If my marriage had a history of domestic violence, #1 I would get out, and #2, until the time I leave, I would certainly NOT keep a gun in the house only to have it used on ME.


28 posted on 12/23/2012 7:01:29 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: EagleInGA
You raise some good points, most importantly, that this would require a local police force to enforce a federal law. But, the important thing to remember is this. You cannot use logic to deal with gun control. Liberals believe, on a theological basis, that anything that results in fewer guns is good. They believe this just as a Catholic believes that the Pope is infallible. It is an article of faith which no logic will change. But back on the need for local police. Many liberals hold the position that since good gun owners comply with the law, all they have to do is pass a law requiring gun turn in and good owners will comply. The rest will be criminals and a few show trials will convince the rest.
29 posted on 12/23/2012 7:11:56 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: expat1000

But notice how it has taken Benghazi off the radar.


30 posted on 12/23/2012 7:26:38 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: ZULU

Obama won re-election.

The character of America has changed.

Those with roots in freedom are being replaced with those who know nothing of our once-sacred traditions.

There will be no CW2. There aren’t enough of us left to fight.


31 posted on 12/23/2012 7:40:02 AM PST by karnage
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To: Chainmail
why won’t our government examine the linkage between drugs and mass murders?

Follow the Benjamins.

32 posted on 12/23/2012 8:09:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: fivecatsandadog

If your deranged husband wants to kill you while you’re living together, he’ll find a way...gun or no gun. I’m talking about women who have already separated from or divorced their husbands and are living apart from their exes. My wife is more than a little afraid of her first husband and is glad I’ve got a gun in the house. She even asked me about the possibility of getting one for herself. And before she met me, she was extremely anti-gun. Moreover, she’s a very small woman, and her ex would have no trouble killing her without a firearm.


33 posted on 12/23/2012 8:11:09 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

You lost me - who or what are the Benjamins?


34 posted on 12/23/2012 8:28:48 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
who or what are the Benjamins?


35 posted on 12/23/2012 9:06:08 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Ah got it. I must be behind in my current slang skills.


36 posted on 12/23/2012 12:00:03 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: karnage

48% voted for the other guy, and a LOT didn’t bother to vote at all.

Hardly represents a majority in my book.

Yes,he won the election, but it was no blow-out endorsement and Romney was as much to blame for Obama’s victory as Obama and the left.


37 posted on 12/23/2012 12:25:30 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: duffee

Look at the difference caused by decades of dumbing down our population. When trying to outlaw alcohol, keeping in mind there is no fundamental right to imbibe, elected officials went so far as to create a Constitutional Amendment. Today they’ll remove the rights to property, speech/religion/though, and self-defence/armed resistance with a simple majority vote.


38 posted on 12/24/2012 5:30:13 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: New Jersey Realist

There are those in government and media now that are discussing taking a way 1st Amendment rights. They want to start with Conservative talk radio and they have already taken away the rigts of those who would protest the President in his presence, of course this won’t mean anything if there is ever a Conservative or another Republican President.


39 posted on 12/24/2012 6:09:31 AM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: 1010RD

You’re right, they have dumbed down the population, there are those who believe this President can do whatever he wants and he is obliging them as he has no respect for our laws and Constitution.


40 posted on 12/24/2012 6:14:26 AM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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