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Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 29, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 12/29/2012 6:57:48 PM PST by Olog-hai

In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendment—which expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the “free exercise” of religion—nonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings. …

The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.

The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business. … The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

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To: Olog-hai

..as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

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Word games. Substitute Muslims, Transvestites, Gays, Illegals, Blacks, Jews, SEIU etc. But this is specific to Christians. Muslims, Amish and Unions are exempt from Obama care but not Christians so it’s discriminatory and should be tossed.


51 posted on 12/29/2012 8:00:05 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Olog-hai
Not only is this a First Amendment violation, but at fines of $1.3 million PER DAY, how is this not an Eighth Amendment violation as well?

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

A fine of $1.3 million per day for not paying for employees' abortions seems just a tad excessive to me, but then again I'm not a rabid baby-killer. Priorities, I suppose.

52 posted on 12/29/2012 8:10:44 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (They're comin' for your guns, guys. Katie, bar the door!)
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To: Olog-hai; All
How Babies Were Left to Die: Nurse Recounts Horrors of Infanticide Practice Barack Obama Protected

August 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - At the same time that the National Right to Life Committee has unearthed documents proving that Barack Obama repeatedly voted against a bill that would have protected children born alive after an attempted abortion, Illuminati Pictures has released a video of an interview with a nurse who witnessed the very practice that Obama protected while in the Illinois senate
53 posted on 12/29/2012 8:14:55 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should post gun free zone signs on their property and persons.)
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To: GeronL
Their revolution started decades ago... when does our start?

At this point in time that is the only question that really matters. All others are simply a waste of time.

54 posted on 12/29/2012 8:16:59 PM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants do not oppose birth control

until the 20th century, all mainline protestant churches opposed birth control....they somehow just changed the rules to better suit their current members....pathetic

55 posted on 12/29/2012 8:17:48 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Fzob

bump


56 posted on 12/29/2012 8:18:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants do not oppose birth control

until the 20th century, all mainline protestant churches opposed birth control....they somehow just changed the rules to better suit their current members....pathetic

57 posted on 12/29/2012 8:19:50 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Olog-hai
The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce.

This is utter nonsense.

The other part of the First Amendment is to guarantee the right to freely associate.

Forming a corporation is a right of free association. Engaging in commerce is free association.

The Obama administration is arguing that one loses their First Amendment rights by exercising their First Amendment rights?

Nonsense!

-PJ

58 posted on 12/29/2012 8:27:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 43north
These commie rat-b@stards just keep on pushing.

We are either going to surrender or start pushing back.

I am not going to surrender.

Neither am I ~~~ or should every other Christian!!

59 posted on 12/29/2012 8:33:26 PM PST by Isabel2010
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To: 43north
These commie rat-b@stards just keep on pushing.

We are either going to surrender or start pushing back.

I am not going to surrender.

Neither am I ~~~ or should every other Christian!!

60 posted on 12/29/2012 8:33:40 PM PST by Isabel2010
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To: Olog-hai

And I’m sure John Roberts wil lbe right htere backign up the governemtn’s ‘right’ to violate the constitution by claimign the supreme court’s job is ‘not to protect the citizens of the US against makign bad choices’ and informign everyoen that ‘if they don’t liek it they can simply wait for 4 years and vote in someoen else- meanwhile, we’re goign to have to endure 4 years of VIOLATIONS to our constitutional rights because Roberts is a sell out coward who refuses to do his job and protect us against a rogue government- soemthign our foundign fathers had in mind when they formed the three branches of gvoernment and the supreme courts which were suppsoed to be our last bastion of refuge agaisnt a rogue governemnt- But the TRAITOR Roberts refuses to dirty his hands with protection problems plaguing the citizens of htis coutnry at the hands of a rogue government who feels hteyu can do ANYTHUING they like irregardless of whether it’s prohibitted by the cosntitution or not


61 posted on 12/29/2012 8:36:35 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: AppyPappy

It does not follow that most Protestants are pro-abortion. Almost all of the ones I know are against abortion (and I know more than a few Catholics who are pro-abortion).


62 posted on 12/29/2012 8:38:55 PM PST by Hootowl
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To: RginTN
No, Christians did not vote for obama.Self proclaimed "Christians" voted for obama. But no Born Again Christians voted for the Anti-Christ, a/k/a obma.

Because abortion was not the only thing that flies into the face of God he advocates. Sodomy and allowing two sodomites to make a mockery of His institution of marriage are two more. So, again, no Born Again Christian voted for the sob.

63 posted on 12/29/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by sport
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To: 43north

[[These commie rat-b@stards just keep on pushing.]]

He couldn’t be doign htis IF America wasn’t as far goen as it was and didn’t vote him back in for another 4 years- His reelection was all the fodder he needed to unleash unholy hell o nthsi country- He feels he has a mandate to turn this coutnry into a marxist nation because he feels that’s what the peopel want- otherwise they woyuld not have voted him back in again- The TRAITOR John Roiberts also set this in motion by declarign that it ‘isn’t the job of the supreme court to protect the citizens agaisnt bad choices’ and then said ‘if you don’t liek what you have- just wait and vote them out again’ He set the stage by sayign that so that our dearl eader now gets to say ‘thsi is whaT America clearly wants becauser they didnt vote me out

Soemthign very bad is happeneing to the spineless GOP who more andm ore are siding with hte left these days- even our suppsoed conservative supreme court judge UNCONSTITUTIONALLY sided with the dear leader- Soemthign really really stinks in denmark!


64 posted on 12/29/2012 8:43:12 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Truth2012

[[Ok fine- just so we know. Obama care is turning out to be the Mark of the Beast.]]

you may very well be right- in the end times, the government will try to becoem morep owerful than religion, forcing religion to bend to it’s will- however religion will make a stand- the peopel most likely will get behind relgion when it sees it being mercilessly attacked, which will force the governemnt to begrudgingly make a pact with the church and the two entities will walk hand in hand in apparent peace for awhile utnil the government no longer needs the church at which point the massacres will begin and the beast will emerge

Let’s be very very clear here- religion in this country is under an unprecedented attack by our government- never before in our history has this coutnry assaulted the church te way this present government has- and now we see the fangs beginnign to be bared and brought to light as thsi develops into a full blown unabashed unapologetic assault upon ‘the church’- They don’t even hide the fact that they are attackign religion anymore- and liek I said previously- the TRAITOR john roberts will NOT stop the government from forcign religion to bend to the will of the gvovernment

We are in a very very bad time in history here- and htere is noone and no entity left to protect us agaisnt thsi rogue anti-religious government anymore- we certainly learned that hte supreme court wil lfrom now on refuse to do it’s duty regardign our safety and constituionally ‘guarunteed’ protection agaisnt rogue government-


65 posted on 12/29/2012 9:00:14 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: The Mayor

[[When are we going to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?]]

We’re not- that’s not what’s prophesied i nthe bible- the ‘church’ will make a pact with hte govenrment, and the peopel will follow along and everythign will look fien for awhile- but before then, it will be just one assault after another with nobody doign anythign to stop it- just as we haven’t been doign anyhtign to stop the systematic dismantlign of our constitutionally protected rights for decades now


66 posted on 12/29/2012 9:05:19 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GeronL

If EVER Christians needed a reason for a ‘just war’, THIS is it. A government forcing you to do cold blooded, premeditated murder against the most innocent of innocents is MORE than enough reason to justify all out, knockdown, dragout insurrection. Period.


67 posted on 12/29/2012 9:07:04 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: sport

it’ safer to say that very few true born again peopel voted for dear leader- just being born again doesn’t mean they are all automatically spiritually mature knowign right from wrong and always doign right- I’m sure htere were a number of true born again beleivers who voted for dear leader thinkign they woudl get handouts and freebies and be taken cvare of by their government- regardless of whether they had to compromise values or not- heck- soem are still new to the faith and don’t have real high morals yet- true born again beleivers are capable of beign deceived too- But it’s safe to say most true born again beleivers woudl never vote for such blatant antiChristian evil by reelctign dear leader for another 4 years- Even IF they made the terrible mistake of beign blidned by him the first time-


68 posted on 12/29/2012 9:10:10 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Olog-hai

Can they also force Muslims to act against their faith, or do they get a waiver and Sharia law?


69 posted on 12/29/2012 9:13:25 PM PST by Eva
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To: MaxMax; Red Badger
This is not the mark of the beast and I doubt we could fathom at this time what that will actually mean when it comes.

Perhaps. But it is a mark of the beast. A sign of the beast.

The prophecies in the Bible apply not only to mankind and the fate of the entire Earth. They apply to each person on a daily basis.

70 posted on 12/29/2012 9:15:45 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Olog-hai
(Someone didn't get the message from the Great Reader [peas be upon him])

Employer wins relief from U.S. contraceptives mandate By Jonathan Stempel | Reuters – 2 hrs 28 mins ago

(Reuters) - A divided federal appeals court has temporarily barred the U.S. government from requiring an Illinois company to obtain insurance coverage for contraceptives, as mandated under the 2010 healthcare overhaul, after the owners objected on religious grounds.

More than 40 lawsuits are challenging a requirement in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that requires most for-profit companies to offer workers insurance coverage for contraceptive drugs and devices and other birth control methods.

Friday's 2-1 order by a panel of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago in favor of Cyril and Jane Korte was the second by a federal appeals court to temporarily halt enforcement against people who said it violated their faith, said Edward White, a lawyer for the Roman Catholic couple.

The 7th Circuit suggested that the couple's legal challenge might eventually prevail.

Its order came two days after U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor declined to block the provision's enforcement against companies controlled by the family of Oklahoma City billionaire David Green.

The U.S. Department of Justice, which had defended the contraceptives provision, did not immediately respond on Saturday to a request for comment.

The Kortes, who own the construction firm Korte & Luitjohan Contractors, had sought to drop a health insurance plan for 20 non-unionized workers that included coverage for contraception, and substitute a different plan consistent with their faith. In issuing an injunction, the 7th Circuit majority said the Kortes had established a reasonable likelihood of success on the merits of their RFRA claim, and that the government had not yet justified the apparent "substantial burden" on their religious exercise.

The court also said the couple had established irreparable harm, because absent an injunction they would have to choose between maintaining insurance coverage they considered inappropriate or facing substantial financial penalties.

"Business owners who are objecting to the mandate are not objecting to people using contraceptives, but that they have to arrange for and pay for it," White, a lawyer with the American Center for Law and Justice, said in a phone interview. "The federal government shouldn't tell business owners they have to contract to buy what they see as immoral services and goods.

71 posted on 12/29/2012 9:25:31 PM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: terycarl
"until the 20th century, all mainline protestant churches opposed birth control . . . 

So, were such folks basing what they believe on the Bible and leading by the Holy Spirit during the four hundred years or so when they taught that contraception was a sin, or are they being led by the Bible and Holy Spirit now that they teach the exact opposite?

Would the Holy Spirit teach one thing as truth one day and the exact opposite as truth the next?

The fact that "most Protestants" don't oppose birth control shows that "most Protestants", (and "most Catholics" for that matter since they ignore what the Church teaches), no longer as concerned about their relationship to Christ as they are about their relationship to their libido.

72 posted on 12/29/2012 9:31:12 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: sickoflibs
$3K per year per employee, but they probably pay close to that in the heal care benefits anyway.

Obama would love for employers to not offer any health insurance to their employees. It would be a major push for having a single payer plan, since so many people would be looking for health care, and with Obamacare, most of the insurance companies would be working with the government, anyway.

Other than the legislation being repealed by Congress, or being overturned by the Supremes, I don't know what else they can do except widespread refusal to participate, including refusal to pay fines or taxes. Then we'd see what the Federal Govt. would do.

73 posted on 12/29/2012 9:54:09 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: CottShop

Cheer up one Catholic saint I forget who.. said the Church needs a prosecution once in a while.

Cardnial Dolan ..The Bishops..Little Sisters of The Poor..and many other Catholic and Evangelical organizations have vowed not to comply with the empty chair.
The Church is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer made of sterner metal then this phoney emperor and his abortion hag sebilious. I look forward to the show down.


74 posted on 12/29/2012 10:00:53 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: sten

‘what about the freedom of speech? do they lose that as well?’

Wasn’t this what the overturning of McCain/Feingold was about?


75 posted on 12/29/2012 10:32:01 PM PST by taterjay
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To: SuziQ
RE :”Obama would love for employers to not offer any health insurance to their employees. It would be a major push for having a single payer plan, since so many people would be looking for health care, and with Obamacare, most of the insurance companies would be working with the government, anyway.
Other than the legislation being repealed by Congress, or being overturned by the Supremes, I don't know what else they can do except widespread refusal to participate, including refusal to pay fines or taxes. Then we'd see what the Federal Govt. would do. “

Republicans could try something new, to convince voters that O-care and Dem policies are bad for them.

Where does O-care funding come from? Congress?
What if employers told employees that O-care forced them to terminate their coverage and when they went on O-care instead it was crappy?

Republicans lose to O because they don't have voters support and they live in delusion telling themselves that the polls are all lies. They should try reality and fighting back.

76 posted on 12/29/2012 10:37:30 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: SuziQ

The individual O-care fine is so small that once young adults figure it out they will just pay the fine, then they will get insurance once sick.
That will drive rates up for those not covered by employers.


77 posted on 12/29/2012 10:57:23 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dl_cGqoPbg For an interesting translation


78 posted on 12/29/2012 11:28:01 PM PST by Dogpatch06
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To: sickoflibs
"The individual O-care fine is so small that once young adults figure it out they will just pay the fine, then they will get insurance once sick."

It would seem small to people working forty hours a week, but the first effect of Barry Care is that the 28 hour work week will become the norm.

79 posted on 12/29/2012 11:34:12 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Pollster1

Worse than the USSR or Nazi Germany? Really?


80 posted on 12/29/2012 11:42:05 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Rashputin
RE :”The individual O-care fine is so small that once young adults figure it out they will just pay the fine, then they will get insurance once sick.”
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It would seem small to people working forty hours a week, but the first effect of Barry Care is that the 28 hour work week will become the norm. “

Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care.

Rs should try something new, to get voters on their side,

81 posted on 12/29/2012 11:45:46 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: Olog-hai

>> in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

This is what the homo ‘marriage’ laws are doing right now.


82 posted on 12/29/2012 11:58:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

In the practical sense, the Left is saying the 1st Amendment does not apply to commerce, nor corporations.

Maybe its time to revalidate the separate legal entity status corporations now enjoy by affirming 1st Amendment privilege.


83 posted on 12/30/2012 12:04:09 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: sickoflibs
"Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care."

Several employers in this area are. McDonald's that just opened, Walgreen's when staffing a new store, Best Buy when hiring for Christmas and telling people they will retain some of those they hire for Christmas because they're reducing individual hours to below 28 hours for everyone except management, and so on.

The thing is, a huge number of the younger folks just whine and want the fascist democrats to force everyone to cover every employee even if they only work one hour. It's not a matter of the "word not getting out", it's a matter of a slacker, stoner, lazy, couple of generations who love a twenty-eight hour work week because it covers their dope and electronics. For almost everything else they still rely on Mommy and Daddy.

Until Mommy and Daddy start throwing them out in the street, they're perfectly content to work part time and hang out more than they work. They've believe the way they lived by doing the bare minimum while in college is the norm and it's the lifestyle they want. At least that's what I found when I was teaching a course at the local Community College for several years.

The people who are waking up are the ones already screwed by growing up in a single parent home where Mom doesn't have the money to keep them up even if she will let them sleep on the sofa. Even those folks, though, are just starting to figure things out when they get to their mid or late twenties.

It was an absolute shock to me to find out young folks these days don't have the desire to stand on their own feet and make their own life better, but by and large, that's the case. Getting by is the height if their ambition in most cases and even if you offer them a good job that requires them to get their hands dirty or actually hustle and work all day, most younger people don't want it. Working instead of just showing up isn't what they have in mind.

The only group that is an exception to that sort of attitude are the veterans and they were already head and shoulders above the crowd because they cared about something enough to enlist in the first place. Whether it was their country, money for college money, or whatever, they cared about something when the majority of other people their age cared about nothing. When they leave the service the care deeply about both their country and about standing on their own two feet to make a good life for their self and their family.

84 posted on 12/30/2012 12:24:05 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Cicero

The cold, stiff, ugly face of that broad, Kathleen Sebaceous Cyst,(she’ll have to look that medical term up, since this Sec’y. of “Health” is no doctor) tells me almost everything I want to know about who and what she is. She will have to be dealt with.

This is one evil, vile enemy we’re dealing with. Fight it, delay it, obstruct it, destroy it.


85 posted on 12/30/2012 1:27:43 AM PST by itssme
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants do not oppose birth control

No wonder we lose elections, we are killing our future voters. Anyway, clearly many professing Christians are not.

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

86 posted on 12/30/2012 1:56:39 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Cicero
The change came quite late, beginning with the Anglican Church. And, of course, acceptance of birth control soon led to acceptance of abortion and perversion.

Look where the Anglicans and Episcopalians are now -- lesbians ordaining one another, gay priests parading their boyfriends at services, and the Third World Anglican bishops being petitioned to minister to American congregations who cannot abide their flaming "church leadership".

87 posted on 12/30/2012 3:21:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: PghBaldy
Worse than the USSR or Nazi Germany? Really?

Christians were not the direct targets of the Nazi government, nor were they targeted by the USSR as directly as they are by the current administration. So, yes, really. Hitler was more evil than Obama (at least from what we have seen so far from our Dear Leader), but his targets of choice were Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals. Obama also hates Jews, but he has targeted Christians first for reasons that we can only guess at.

88 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:10 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Olog-hai

Is it not amazing. ALL ISLAM and Congress (traitors to
the US Constitution) are EXEMPT.

How special. Just for attacking the Pentagon
and the World Trade Towers and killing Americans
THEY get a special deal from Congress.


89 posted on 12/30/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Pollster1

OK. Point taken, though to be fair to Dear Leader, Hitler went after Jehovah’s Witnesses, IIRC, and clergy, though I think (just like Obama) he could say it was for reasons besides faith itself (even though the result is the same - persecution).


90 posted on 12/30/2012 5:11:02 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: CottShop
The solution to this is............................... ~ and ~ .................................
91 posted on 12/30/2012 5:14:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Rashputin
because it covers their dope and electronics. For almost everything else they still rely on Mommy and Daddy

I have a 43 year old sister in law with a masters degree that lives with her mom and dad off of a phony disability claim who does just that. Dope and electronics.

92 posted on 12/30/2012 5:54:34 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: null and void

In the end, God will overcome them and WIN.


93 posted on 12/30/2012 6:05:45 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Hootowl

Most Protestants support the use of birth control pills and such.


94 posted on 12/30/2012 6:06:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: Olog-hai

1. There are not enough jails to house the massive civil disobediance that is coming
2. The lost revenue is immense
3. Lil Barry has sewn the seeds of his own demise


95 posted on 12/30/2012 6:19:56 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants support the use of birth control pills and such.

Tricky phrase: "and such". I personally approve of birth control, and not just because I wish Pelosi's mother and Obama's mother had used it. I also consider abortion to be murder, morally although not legally. Those personal views are irrelevant to the political issue. For a government to compel people who find either one reprehensible to directly pay for what they see as a grave moral sin is shocking and unacceptable. The Latin term is casus belli, and I would be 100% on the side of those who resisted such an act of evil.

96 posted on 12/30/2012 6:41:03 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rashputin

Every generation says the same thing about the generation preceding it. Its the oldest saw it goes back thousands of years.

BTW I did see a fat older union thug punch that younger libertarian in the face.


97 posted on 12/30/2012 7:04:19 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: sport
No, Christians did not vote for obama.Self proclaimed "Christians" voted for obama. But no Born Again Christians voted for the Anti-Christ, a/k/a obma.

Because abortion was not the only thing that flies into the face of God he advocates. Sodomy and allowing two sodomites to make a mockery of His institution of marriage are two more. So, again, no Born Again Christian voted for the sob.

No, they didn't.

They merely refused to vote for the only candidate who had any chance to keep him out of office.

98 posted on 12/30/2012 7:21:21 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Eva
Can they also force Muslims to act against their faith, or do they get a waiver and Sharia law?

muslims are exempt.

De facto establishment of a State Religion.

99 posted on 12/30/2012 7:24:48 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m seeing this as an invite for another Crusade?


100 posted on 12/30/2012 7:29:46 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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