Skip to comments.Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith
Posted on 12/29/2012 6:57:48 PM PST by Olog-hai
In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendmentwhich expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the free exercise of religionnonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings.
The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.
The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A persons Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business.
The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicablein other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians.
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Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care.
Rs should try something new, to get voters on their side,
>> in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians.
This is what the homo ‘marriage’ laws are doing right now.
In the practical sense, the Left is saying the 1st Amendment does not apply to commerce, nor corporations.
Maybe its time to revalidate the separate legal entity status corporations now enjoy by affirming 1st Amendment privilege.
"Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care."
Several employers in this area are. McDonald's that just opened, Walgreen's when staffing a new store, Best Buy when hiring for Christmas and telling people they will retain some of those they hire for Christmas because they're reducing individual hours to below 28 hours for everyone except management, and so on.
The thing is, a huge number of the younger folks just whine and want the fascist democrats to force everyone to cover every employee even if they only work one hour. It's not a matter of the "word not getting out", it's a matter of a slacker, stoner, lazy, couple of generations who love a twenty-eight hour work week because it covers their dope and electronics. For almost everything else they still rely on Mommy and Daddy.
Until Mommy and Daddy start throwing them out in the street, they're perfectly content to work part time and hang out more than they work. They've believe the way they lived by doing the bare minimum while in college is the norm and it's the lifestyle they want. At least that's what I found when I was teaching a course at the local Community College for several years.
The people who are waking up are the ones already screwed by growing up in a single parent home where Mom doesn't have the money to keep them up even if she will let them sleep on the sofa. Even those folks, though, are just starting to figure things out when they get to their mid or late twenties.
It was an absolute shock to me to find out young folks these days don't have the desire to stand on their own feet and make their own life better, but by and large, that's the case. Getting by is the height if their ambition in most cases and even if you offer them a good job that requires them to get their hands dirty or actually hustle and work all day, most younger people don't want it. Working instead of just showing up isn't what they have in mind.
The only group that is an exception to that sort of attitude are the veterans and they were already head and shoulders above the crowd because they cared about something enough to enlist in the first place. Whether it was their country, money for college money, or whatever, they cared about something when the majority of other people their age cared about nothing. When they leave the service the care deeply about both their country and about standing on their own two feet to make a good life for their self and their family.
The cold, stiff, ugly face of that broad, Kathleen Sebaceous Cyst,(she’ll have to look that medical term up, since this Sec’y. of “Health” is no doctor) tells me almost everything I want to know about who and what she is. She will have to be dealt with.
This is one evil, vile enemy we’re dealing with. Fight it, delay it, obstruct it, destroy it.
No wonder we lose elections, we are killing our future voters. Anyway, clearly many professing Christians are not.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Look where the Anglicans and Episcopalians are now -- lesbians ordaining one another, gay priests parading their boyfriends at services, and the Third World Anglican bishops being petitioned to minister to American congregations who cannot abide their flaming "church leadership".
Christians were not the direct targets of the Nazi government, nor were they targeted by the USSR as directly as they are by the current administration. So, yes, really. Hitler was more evil than Obama (at least from what we have seen so far from our Dear Leader), but his targets of choice were Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals. Obama also hates Jews, but he has targeted Christians first for reasons that we can only guess at.
Is it not amazing. ALL ISLAM and Congress (traitors to
the US Constitution) are EXEMPT.
How special. Just for attacking the Pentagon
and the World Trade Towers and killing Americans
THEY get a special deal from Congress.
OK. Point taken, though to be fair to Dear Leader, Hitler went after Jehovah’s Witnesses, IIRC, and clergy, though I think (just like Obama) he could say it was for reasons besides faith itself (even though the result is the same - persecution).
I have a 43 year old sister in law with a masters degree that lives with her mom and dad off of a phony disability claim who does just that. Dope and electronics.
In the end, God will overcome them and WIN.
Most Protestants support the use of birth control pills and such.
1. There are not enough jails to house the massive civil disobediance that is coming
2. The lost revenue is immense
3. Lil Barry has sewn the seeds of his own demise
Tricky phrase: "and such". I personally approve of birth control, and not just because I wish Pelosi's mother and Obama's mother had used it. I also consider abortion to be murder, morally although not legally. Those personal views are irrelevant to the political issue. For a government to compel people who find either one reprehensible to directly pay for what they see as a grave moral sin is shocking and unacceptable. The Latin term is casus belli, and I would be 100% on the side of those who resisted such an act of evil.
Every generation says the same thing about the generation preceding it. Its the oldest saw it goes back thousands of years.
BTW I did see a fat older union thug punch that younger libertarian in the face.
Because abortion was not the only thing that flies into the face of God he advocates. Sodomy and allowing two sodomites to make a mockery of His institution of marriage are two more. So, again, no Born Again Christian voted for the sob.
No, they didn't.
They merely refused to vote for the only candidate who had any chance to keep him out of office.
muslims are exempt.
De facto establishment of a State Religion.
I’m seeing this as an invite for another Crusade?
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