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Clemson student's turtle project takes dark twist
Herald on line ^ | December 27, 2012 | Jeffrey Collins

Posted on 12/30/2012 9:17:31 AM PST by ZULU

CLEMSON, S.C. — Clemson University student Nathan Weaver just wanted to put together a project to help figure out the best way to assist turtles in crossing the road. But he also ended up with a peek into the dark souls of some human beings.

Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/12/27/4507782/clemson-students-turtle-project.html#storylink=cpy

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KEYWORDS: neanderthals; turtles
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I usually pull over and help the little critter safely across the road.
1 posted on 12/30/2012 9:17:41 AM PST by ZULU
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To: ZULU

Last fall there was a large land turtle crossing the County Road between Montpelier and our house. The car ahead of me stopped, and we waited for it to finish crossing. My wife and two of my children told me later that day that they also encountered the turtle crossing the road. Apparently, it went back and forth across the road all day, maybe hauling back food for its winter store or something.

Anyway, everybody stopped for it. No squashed turtle.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 9:25:14 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ZULU

If we can do it safely, so do we. Last Summer, my husband tried to assist a Maryland Terrapin across the road. I am telling you this turtle was the meanest thing! Hissed, snapped and just raised quite the ruckus. When my husband finally got it into some tall grass (a marsh), the turtle turned around, hissed one more time and went on his merry way. No wonder U of Md has it as a mascot... they are quite attitudinal. LOL!


3 posted on 12/30/2012 9:25:14 AM PST by momtothree
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To: ZULU

I do also if the traffic permits it. This is another example of power or actually perceived power. People are feeling more and more powerless in their daily lives and killing a small creature shows the animal who is boss. It’s not just turtles either. How can someone run over a raccoon or opossum in a 25 or 30 mile speed zone? I can understand on a major highway but in residential communities there is no excuse for not steering around it.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 9:29:16 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: ZULU
Where's the barf alert?

even in today's more enlightened, modern world, sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet

I can't believe this is allegedly an AP news story and not an editorial the way it is written.

5 posted on 12/30/2012 9:29:20 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ZULU

I drive like they are democrats headed across the road for 0bama phones and free birth control.


6 posted on 12/30/2012 9:34:38 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ZULU

I’ve pulled off the road to move turtles. I don’t understand how anyone could deliberately want to hit something. I had a bird once fly in front of my car window, hit the front and plop dead on the hood. I pulled off the road, saw the little guy was a goner and cried. Took about ten minutes before I was ok enough to get back in the car and drive home.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 9:37:54 AM PST by Gefn ("I am waiting for a rebirth of wonder")
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To: ZULU; Tax-chick
thanks, for the post.
reptile ping. :-D

8 posted on 12/30/2012 9:40:07 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: ZULU

I like the comment with the idea of making foam rubber turtle replicas with big metal spikes in them and positioning them so a driver has to go out of the way to hit them.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: ConservaTexan

why would anyone be surprised by this...if we can murder millions of innocent babies why wouldn’t we try to mow down turtles?

seriously lets get our priorities straight here... while we should treat all of God’s creatures humanely our thoughts should first be on how we treat our fellow man.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 9:45:08 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: longfellowsmuse

I completely agree. And for the record, I have never hit a turtle. I have unintentionally hit a few animals, squirrels and deer mostly; even though I was going less than 30 mph in some instances.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 9:53:25 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Gefn

Last summer I was driving out to our farm with my nephew following with his two small sons to go fishing. I hit a squirrel. I mean it went flying. I later asked my nephew whether his sons had seen it and fortunately they had not. One of my sons has a bumper sticker that reads, “Squirrels, nature’s little speed bumps.” But he’s a kind soul and would never intentionally harm an animal. One other story regarding turtles, always take them across in the direction they are going or they will simply turn around and cross the road again. And yes, snappers which in Kansas can grow to ten or twelve pounds, are mean critters and can take off your finger.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 9:54:04 AM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: ZULU

Wouldn’t a hard shell animal damage the car/paint? Doesn’t make sense.


13 posted on 12/30/2012 10:00:43 AM PST by Morris70
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To: ZULU

14 posted on 12/30/2012 10:07:05 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ZULU

Sounds like a case for government intervention. /s


15 posted on 12/30/2012 10:08:17 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Portcall24

Repulsive.


16 posted on 12/30/2012 10:20:16 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: ConservaTexan

I go out of my way to steer my car at crows feeding on roadkill, but it mostly a form of mutual amusement...I know I am never going to hit the crow, and the crow knows he is never going to let himself get hit.

He contemptuously hops out of the way, and by the time the roadkill appears in my rearview mirror again, his beak is buried deep.

I avoid hitting anything as long as I can do it safely without causing a traffic issue.


17 posted on 12/30/2012 10:24:07 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Are you hard of reading? It is attributed to a comment by a professor.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 10:27:41 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ZULU

I hope that student realizes that if someone had an accident because of her stunt, and was injured, she’d be facing a FELONY charge.


19 posted on 12/30/2012 10:32:41 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Kirkwood

Can you not see the paragraph break between two separate comments?


20 posted on 12/30/2012 10:35:00 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Mercat

Kansas snappers can be every bit of 20+ lbs and 18 inch wide shells. I know I moved one out of an intersection in my folks neighborhood with a scoop shovel. It was in the middle of the intersection turning itself to watch cars go by and there were quite a few motorists trying to get it to crawl away which it had no intention of doing. I tell you this thing was a monster and didnt appreciate my efforts to move it with the shovel.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 11:01:01 AM PST by BudgieRamone (Everybody loves a bonk on the head.)
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To: ZULU

I feel I am accumulating good luck or good karma doing it ....so I will always help the turtle across the road. Some tribes called it Turtle Island, where we live


22 posted on 12/30/2012 11:07:40 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ZULU

It’s pretty weird that some people feel the need to run over small animals.

My rule is pretty simply. Any animal other than a squirrel I will try to avoid hitting them. I will not put my self in danger trying to avoid them.

Squirrels on the other hand do not get the courtesy of me trying to avoid them. I will not try to run them over, but will not try to avoid them either.

The reason being I once tried to avoid a squirrel and wound up rolling a pick up truck. Yes, all squirrels must pay for the mistake of one squirrel.


23 posted on 12/30/2012 11:10:17 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Portcall24
How can someone run over a raccoon or opossum in a 25 or 30 mile speed zone? I can understand on a major highway but in residential communities there is no excuse for not steering around it.

There's a large park across the street from my house, many oak trees and many squirrels, they frequently cross the street to my yard because I have two walnut trees. I don't care, they can have all the walnuts they want but I've observed them many times, dart out into the street, regardless of whether a car is coming or not and stop dead in their tracks in the path of an oncoming vehicle, vehicle swerves to avoid them but at the same time said squirrel decides to move on, resulting frequently in a smashed squirrel.

It happened to me with a cat, I swerved to avoid him and instead ran over him, it wasn't intentional, animals are unpredictable is all.

24 posted on 12/30/2012 11:10:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: ZULU

Yep, there are people who needlessly take life. There are probably way more who run over animals because they are inconvenient, they slow them down and make them late and make them use more gas. It’s sort of like the difference between the nut job in Connecticut and people who are for abortion.


25 posted on 12/30/2012 11:12:42 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: muir_redwoods

How about you put an IED in the turtle so when a driver steers to squash him he gets a wheel blown off.


26 posted on 12/30/2012 11:13:02 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Fzob
Squirrels on the other hand do not get the courtesy of me trying to avoid them. I will not try to run them over, but will not try to avoid them either. The reason being I once tried to avoid a squirrel and wound up rolling a pick up truck. Yes, all squirrels must pay for the mistake of one squirrel.

Were you in a Geico commercial?

27 posted on 12/30/2012 11:16:06 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: ZULU

http://news.yahoo.com/college-students-turtle-project-takes-dark-twist-182457207.html

10000 comments at yahoo news for this story. Most I have ever seen


28 posted on 12/30/2012 11:18:22 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Some people really ARE a one act show!


29 posted on 12/30/2012 11:21:14 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Morris70

I can’t believe you really believe that


30 posted on 12/30/2012 11:23:49 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: ElkGroveDan

No. The barf alert should be for idiot responses like yours and the next one


31 posted on 12/30/2012 11:26:15 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: rlmorel

Around here, if traffic is light enough, roadkill gets moved out of the roadway. Most residents here wear boots—not open toed shoes!


33 posted on 12/30/2012 11:29:15 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: dennisw

Not bad but I think the spike is simpler, cheaper and only the sociopath gets hurt


34 posted on 12/30/2012 11:29:55 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Morris70
Wouldn’t a hard shell animal damage the car/paint? Doesn’t make sense.

Good point. Believe it or not rabbit bones can pierce a car radiator if you hit one in a low car at high speed and it bounces. The odds go up if you hit 20 or 30 of them over the course of a long night's drive. It actually happened to me long ago. Fortunately it was a cool evening and I didn't even notice the damage until after I got home the next day.

35 posted on 12/30/2012 11:36:07 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: aomagrat

No, was there a Geico commercial about this?


36 posted on 12/30/2012 11:38:17 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: ConservaTexan

I ended up on some guy’s front lawn while swerving for a squirrel. Chased the damn thing across two more lawns before I finally got him........


37 posted on 12/30/2012 11:45:38 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: ZULU

If you don’t run over them the get into the sewers and mutate into teenage ninjas.


38 posted on 12/30/2012 11:51:01 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: ZULU

hmmm..... are you really trying to say that perseverating over why people feel the need to squash turtles trumps defending the unborn?

if more people cared about human babies instead of reptiles perhaps our nation would be better off

I will use any opportunity to defend the defenseless. If that makes me “a one act show” than so be it.


39 posted on 12/30/2012 11:54:26 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: BudgieRamone
A bunch of years ago I stopped to help a 20 lb. snapper that was crossing a road. Just grabbed it by the tail and carried it over to the pond it was heading for.......

Since it was coming from a wooded area, I suspect it had just laid eggs and was heading back....

40 posted on 12/30/2012 11:54:43 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Fzob

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TL1uFjSbvnA


41 posted on 12/30/2012 11:57:30 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: longfellowsmuse
if more people cared about human babies instead of reptiles

There are threads for babies and the occasional thread for turtles........THIS one is for turtles....

42 posted on 12/30/2012 12:01:05 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

If you were to reread my initial post it was indeed relevant to the discussion of turtles, let me expound upon my initial point. In the natural order of things human beings are more complex organisms than our reptilian friends. As a species if we are capable of culling our own then why would we be surprised when we show disregard for a creature that is clearly inferior to ourselves. This is a commentary on human nature and is relevant to the point of the article which addresses “human beings darker nature.”


43 posted on 12/30/2012 12:17:35 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: ZULU

Roads are for automobiles. It’s up to everything and everybody else using the roads to adapt.


44 posted on 12/30/2012 12:34:56 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ZULU; libertarian27
Gos own pantry!

Turtlle soup


Ingredients:

2 pounds boneless turtle meat
3 cups water
1 medium onion, quartered
1 stalk celery, coarsely chopped
½ large bell pepper, coarsely chopped
2 bay leaves
⅛ teaspoon cracked  black pepper
1 teaspoon minced garlic
2 tablespoons butter
1 cup chopped onion
½ cup chopped bell pepper
½ cup chopped celery
2 tablespoons minced garlic
1 teaspoon dried thyme
2 tablespoons tomato paste
1 14-ounce can diced tomatoes
1 8-ounce can tomato sauce
5 cups reserved turtle stock
½ cup red wine
¼ cup dry sherry
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon hot sauce
¼ teaspoon cracked black pepper
2 bay leaves
2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
2 tablespoons butter
3 tablespoon flour
¼ cup minced parsley
¼ cup minced green onions
2 boiled eggs, peeled & chopped
4 tablespoon dry sherry
Directions:

Combine turtle meat, water, quartered onion, celery, bell pepper, 2 bay leaves, ⅛ teaspoon cracked black pepper, and 1 teaspoon minced garlic in a 4-quart pot.  Bring to boil, lower fire to medium and simmer for 1 hour and 15 minutes.

Drain stock through mesh strainer, reserving stock in bowl.  Allow meat to cool, then separate from rest of ingredients discarding everything but the turtle meat. Coarse chop the meat and set aside.

Heat butter in pot, add onions, celery, bell pepper and garlic.  Sauté for 10 minutes over medium fire.  Add thyme, tomato paste, and diced tomatoes and continue to cook until water from tomatoes evaporates.

Add tomato sauce, 5 cups reserved turtle stock, red wine, sherry, salt, hot sauce, cracked pepper, bay leaves and Worcestershire sauce.  Cover pot and simmer for 30 minutes over medium fire.

 In small sauté pan heat butter until melted over medium-low fire. Place melted butter in a bowl and stir in flour until completely blended. Whisk butter-flour roux into soup and allow soup to simmer for 1 minute until blended and soup thickens slightly.

Add turtle meat, cover pot and cook for additional 30 minutes, stirring occasionally.

Mince boiled eggs and set aside.  Stir parsley and green onions into turtle soup.

Divide turtle soup between 4 bowls and top each with minced egg and 1 tablespoon dry sherry. 

45 posted on 12/30/2012 12:37:16 PM PST by Species8472 (Stupid is supposed to hurt)
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To: elkfersupper

mmm...

Most roads are covered under common law ‘right-of-way’, which predates the automobile. That’s one reason why interstates are a ‘national defense’ program, so that non-motorized traffic can be kept off, which couldn’t be done otherwise.


46 posted on 12/30/2012 12:50:35 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Whatever keeps non-motorized traffic off the roads is fine with me.


47 posted on 12/30/2012 12:56:01 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Portcall24

Sometimes those critters change direction while you’re trying to steer around them, and they end up running right under the wheel.


48 posted on 12/30/2012 12:56:16 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Species8472

Thanks. I love snapper stew. But there is a big difference between harvesting an animal for food and gratuitously,needlessly and brutally snuffing out a life


49 posted on 12/30/2012 1:00:11 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Species8472

Never let an “accident” go to waste!


50 posted on 12/30/2012 1:29:00 PM PST by gotribe
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