Skip to comments.Obama hopes to enact new gun-control measures in 2013
Posted on 12/30/2012 4:00:49 PM PST by MinorityRepublicanEdited on 12/30/2012 9:52:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his "full weight" behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.
"I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it," Obama said in an interview aired on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again."
Read more here: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013
The “leaders” are better targets than the “grunts”.
Yes, I noticing that too.
“If the police and Feds really make an effort at confiscation, then, we will REALLY need our guns.
Alot of good they will be to ya wayyyy down below the basement floor, or decorative pond.
Better to use them to fight another day when the odds are better for success. If one were to resist when the SWAT team is at the door, the media would falsely report that the police were engaged in a heroic action to disarm and quash a domestic terrorist that was planning to blow up some government installation.
Only the victors write history.
Your video is sobering.
I have seen the results of both IED’s and EFP’s first hand. If it were to come to that, there are a large number of vets who are very familiar with their creation and employment.
You ask and answer your own questions, I say you don’t want an answer, you just want to bitch.
And my guess is that’s all you’ll do when the fighting starts.
"Then I will do exactly what I had already planned to do, just like I always do."
Is there ANYONE who doesn't see through this "I will talk to anybody / I'm willing to listen / I'm open to all ideas" PR bullcrap that Obama pulls every time?
Oh, yeah. The 51% of the idiots that re-elected him.
Heck no, voting is their job, their job description is to keep their owners in office. Great pay, spend a few minutes a year voting, get food stamps, subsidized housing, welfare, free phones, free healthcare. They are the highest paid minutely workers ever in the entire universe.
...If you really want to beat this form militias to demonstrate, and stand with each other....
How did that work out for the Bonus Army? Eisenhower Patton and McArthur killed em and burned em out...against a more formidable force its guerilla warfare, underground, IRA.
Obies just waiting for a chance to kill more Americans, he controls Congress, The Judiciary, The FEDs, the Supreme Court and the Military until they break off and choose the other side. It would behoove everyone to start looking around to see who is a Patriot and who is an Obama Loyalist. I’m sure they have plenty of petition lists and data mining to have a huge list of their own.
To stand on principles, one must have principles.
Those who reject the argument that Zero retaining office due to the “principled” objections to Romney must accept at least partial responsibility for Zero being re-elected.
The failure of the so-called “purists” to think ahead places more in immediate and near term danger than the “purists” can comprehend. Much potential blood is on “your” hands.
Deal with it.
Thanks for the compliment.
I'm thinking there will be war and here's why:
I am so old I was a generation that was taught early history and I saw evidence of that early history at the grandparents in Arkansas. The civil war was just a few generations earlier than mine. As a result, my generation understood how our history evolved with people working hard every day to exist. My father was in WWI. We understood what these men went through “over there” and we sang that song, “Over There”.
I think I am the last generation to experience that fairly close history. The country has moved from improving its lot every year to not caring whether or not anything is produced as long as they have a nice life. There is no incentive to make things better as there was in generations before me and also my generation.
We are stagnant as a country and no one remembers how we got to the standard of living we now have, and that is why it is going away - these current generations just want “things” and have no idea how they are produced. The country is dying and these newer generations are caught up in complaining. Jobs continue to go away and it's getting worse. The discontented are stealing what they want.
My opinion is, there will be war in order to reset the country back to a producing country and a reasonable government - if the more conservative group manages to overthrow the liberal group. It's also possible the country will never recover if liberals rule. We may go as Rome and the British Empire did.
The government cannot stay on the present path because the path is based on nothing. If the government tries to take the guns in this country, there will be war. Some of you say the guns will be handed over easily. That is not true because we would know they want our guns. One cannot compare the guns taken up after Katrina because those gun owners were taken unawares - gun owners now know the score.
Yes, there will be gun owners who are afraid and will give up their guns easily, but we have multi-millions of guns and I think their owners are getting steel backs and gonads as the danger approaches.
I have a bodyguard just like high ranking government officials, and mine has a new red laser on it and it stays with me and I definitely mean that. I am not afraid of a government wuss. Maybe that is because I am old and don't give a damn anymore about being nice to scum.
You can blame me all you like, but your liberal candidate didn't win enough votes to take the prize. You own that.
Besides, my vote didn't count.
Your guy lost. The smart thing to do is take stock, see where you failed, and fix that failure.
The dumb thing to do is blame everyone but your liberal candidate. You aren't making any friends or garnering any future votes with the blame thing.
not the french resistance but try John Ross Unintended Consequences
“How would they do this? What about all the illegal guns? Will the govt confiscate them? Would the feds search house by house?
I cant see that happening.”
I posted this yesterday on another thread:
From the viewpoint of the totalitarians, you dont attempt to come in waves. You make a few examples first.
I would expect one of the first examples in confiscation to resemble something akin to the Little Rock school desegregation back in the 1950s i.e., government troops in full force at a specific location.
For the guns, the feds will select a southern city somewhere, but not a large one. Then theyll appear in force with carefully chosen cadres of soldiers. The units will be pre-filtered so that none of the troops will be from the south, and many of them will be composed of (ahem ) his people. They will secure the local and regional gunshops first, so that they have access to sales records. With that info available to them, theyll start working the lists and go house-to-house. Whatever force they are met with, theyll respond with superior force. If they have to resort to a few Wacos or Move-Ons, well, so be it.
And theyll be sure that the sycophant media is everywhere they are, with the video cameras on.
The examples will be made enough of them so that every gun owner will understand what results are assured if they choose to resist at a personal level.
If it gets that far, individual resistance is going to become a very futile act the equivalent of monks resorting to self-immolation. The only effective resistance will be group action, and even small groups of civilian resistors may make little impact. By that point, perhaps what will be needed is the action of entire states, supported by the legislatures of those states along with the National Guard units of those states acting under the authority of the governors.
Some will reply, nonsense, wont happen. But the nation is clearly dividing, just as it did in 1861. What did Mr. Lincoln say about a house divided?
Which side owns Vietnam today?
I'm good with futile. I don't expect to live forever anyway.
You can speak freely, and live that free life our founders intended.
I pray there isn't a war on this land. But if it comes, I expect I'll go like a moth in a flame. That's ok, too. God will know His own.
They’re going for it all, and I don’t just mean guns.
I am just a hair younger than you, Marcella. But...
My great grandfathers fought in the Civil War-one on each side. I am related to a couple of folks, too, and know some bona fide heroes.
As a child, I remember seeing someone who ‘fought’ in the Civil War, probably as a drummer, as well as people who survived the Holocaust. I would see people in business who had soles of their shoes worn out from beating the streets.
My folks were swindled out of business deals a few times, but they knew and believed in themselves and their independence, so they kept on keeping on. They made sure that we kids knew history and saw death from an early age. To my dying day, I will remember my mother saying, “We will endeavor to have everything we NEED and a little of what we WANT.”
There was a muscular nature to the previous generations I knew and saw with my own eyes—one that I almost never see in anyone except someone with military bearing. It was and is in the way they carried themselves: proud, sturdy, and willing to work, not for cushiness but because it reflects a way of life.
What was all around me, in their eyes and bearing, was steel. I don’t see steel in shoeleather much anymore, but I look for it all the same. Should we not find it soon, we shall not see it again for a long time, except in pockets here and there. What we will see, though, is coming onshore fast and hard; it is not pretty and will cost us more than I’d say two generations have had to even think of paying.
I think 0bama and his handlers intend to bring war to us. Think of that word. ‘Intend.’
And no, E-6 was my last rank when I served. You can call me Sergeant. Or mister.
You read incorrectly. I own this land and house free and clear. My kids are grown and gone (both having served in the military). I live alone.
I almost rolled craps back in Dec 2009, but the bastards managed to save me, so death doesn't hold any fears for me. I've had a preview.
If you want your beloved (by you) party to win votes, run a conservative, and shut up the conservative bashers like Rove.
And quit griping about your liberal losing.
I've prepared for whatever may happen so I will be okay but accepting the near death, or death, of the country has been a sad realization.
Ah, but there will be no more free Wacos, that is what’s changed. This has been building for quite longer than the past four years. There was plenty of tension in the 1990’s after certain events, and the White House had several brain storming sessions on the realities of rash behavior.
Whether you believe it or not, at the first slaughter of innocents protecting their unalienable rights, there will be just war cause. It doesn’t matter if millions of Americans stand by and watch in fear or stoicism. There will be a minority who will act. And they are everywhere. In the police at all levels, military, and in government agencies. Why do you think ATF snitches were talking to militia and not other law enforcement or hack media? This is how Fast and Furious broke.
While people make skidmarks in their pants worried about how the big behemoth government is making lists and data mining with their many watch programs (yet couldn’t piece together Phoenix memo prior to 9/11), the entire blogosphere, commenting forums are full of rants, some overt threats that in my view are overwhelming to handle. The government doesn’t have the resources to track all these people down. On facebook alone, when IN supreme court ruled police can not be stopped even doing an illegal entry, and a county police chief was talking about house to house searches, the language got hot by the thousands, and these people are posting as themselves! In addition, there is a flip side to the internet and it’s open source intel on nationally known figures, like ones who hate the Constitution for example. In detail.
I’m not discounting the use of drones or united operation using all resources for a specific target. Usually after the fact. But let’s look at martial law situation. There’s simply not enough police or military to clamp the country down, it’s already been war gamed online. They would need to bring in foreign troops. And the numbers of guns and gun owners in the country has gone up, particularly among women.
Effective resistance is individuals with no command structure acting independently — guerrilla warfare, being the “grey man”, deception, creating shock, fear, and demoralizing the enemy. News flash at 9: “Billy Bob is apparently missing... they were last seen...administration officials have no comment...” Now you see ‘em, now you don’t. Might give some people pause don’t you think?
I believe you are right.
America’s middle class is too comfortable. They will not risk what they have, to preserve their freedom. And for sure they will not risk what they have to protect their neighbor’s freedom, as most don’t even know their neighbor’s name.
Just finished watching the documentary you noted in your tagline.
Many of the opinions expressed, the observations, evoked the words my Papa often spoke to me regarding our country, the world, and the people in power...
Thank you for sharing the link! I have posted it to my FB. (Either folks will watch it or they’ll un-friend me!! HaHa - that’s been happening a lot lately.)
It will also be our military who give their oath to uphold the constitution. They will not be on the side of Tyranny.
“individual resistance is going to become a very futile act the equivalent of monks resorting to self-immolation.”
You couldn’t be more wrong. The monks brought down the Diem government very quickly. And do you know what started the Arab Spring, a vegetable stand owner driven out of business by new regulations self-immolated.
As for individual action, thats the best of all. It’s what keeps the totalitarians awake at night. You can infiltrate and roll up organizations. But leaderless resistance is extremely hard to fight.
ANd remember, it was invented here, for use after a communinst takeover. Interesting.
The Bonus army was unarmed and never thought their government would attack them in such a fashion.
It is of not though that our own army of Americans did attack them and drive them out.As ordered.
Where did this police Lt. call in to ?
“As for individual action, thats the best of all.”
and TheBigJ wrote:
“Ah, but there will be no more free Wacos, that is whats changed ”
How do you explain the absence of resistance in the door-to-door “gun grab” that went on in New Orleans in the wake of hurricane Katrina? This is a real scenario, vis-a-vis the huffin’ ‘n’ puffin’ I’ve been reading about in this forum. How many gun owners successfully resisted confiscation?
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
Next time, it WON’T be the “locals”. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
My earlier predictions stand. If there is an attempt at confiscation, I expect individual resistance, but that alone will not be enough in itself to effectively stop such confiscations, nor will it force an increasingly totalitarian regime to reconsider its tactics. Even the most vocal “resistors” will, as the confrontation looms, think of their families and their own futures. It’s just human nature to do so.
What WILL mount an effective “front” against the DC feds will be the resistance by one or more state governments, under the direction of the governors, supported by the National Guard and state police (and lower police departments) of such states. When the officers of the “gun units” are forced to confront officers of comparable training on the other side, representing a legitimate civilian government, THAT may make the forces of confrontation consider whether their actions are worth continuing...
“The line will likely run north to south, near Harrisburg, PA, I’d guess.”
NO! Let the new “border” be the northern PA border. Draw the “line” to lop off southeastern PA, including Philadelphia. North/central PA is quite conservative — not to be “thrown to the wolves”...
You can take your hardcore lib comment and stuff it. The hardcore lib comment is a misstatement of fact, is fatually inaccurate, simple minded and ludicrous. I swore an oath and spent a career promising to uphold and defend the Constitution and I still hold to that oath.
You, on the other hand, hold on to a conflict and mythical ideal that was ended almost 150 years ago. A democrat party myth at that. I’m tired of the stupid “lost cause” comments that come up every time this type of topic comes up.
Are you a supporter of the Constitution and the Republic or would you let a long lost democrat inspired attempt to dissolve the union get in the way of restoring the Constitution and Republic? In 1860 the democrat party wanted to read the Constitution in such a way that they could retain slavery “The Cause”. Now the same party of slavery wants to throw out the Constitution to hold all productive citizens as tax slaves and slaves to a socialist system that serves them and their no-work supporters.
Which is it? Are you a supporter of the Constitutional principles or are you a supporter of the party of slavery principles which are the same now as then.
How about twix Valley Forge and Phily ?
it is not north vs south. that is long over and settled.
this is political insider city dweller vs everyone else.
Eventually you will see 70’s style city ID requirements to be IN a city. Think medieval walled cities.
cities produce nothing, contibute nothing.
To the extreme cities will eventually become prisons ala “escape from NY” or “escapre from LA”
we need more FIRST TIME buyers.
The more individuals who have “something” out there, the better for the first amendment.
It will be like trying to outlaw shoes.
Sorry, but I think you are wrong or at least incomplete on many of your historical assertions. I support all the amendments to the constitution. It seems you are willing to overlook the 10th amendment just as many large government liberals do today. I won’t tell you to stuff it, but I will say have a happy and safe New Year.
My take on New Orleans is that it was used as a training exercise under the ICS (FEMA's incident command system) structure. It wasn't a city-wide gun-grab; there were many people in areas of the city that *didn't* flood who sat on their front porches with rifles and shotguns across their laps. Nobody messed with them.
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
No, it was a combination of NOPD and other law-enforcement volunteers from around the country, sometimes accompanied by national guardsmen.
Next time, it WONT be the locals. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
New Orleans is a relatively small and geographically isolated city (look at the surrounding bodies of water on Google Earth). Look at the level of effort needed to go after the guns of a small fraction of that city's population, then explain how they'll manage a much larger plan on a state-wide or larger scale.
I don't think they have enough people to accomplish the task. And since you mentioned the Katrina scenario, let's not forget those NOPD officers who chose not to report, or acted against orders and bugged-out.
Katrina was a hurricane disaster, chaos and lack of communications on what was going on. No local law enforcement wasn’t all used, outside agencies from other states including National Guard were used. Local law enforcement with ties to community would not be used, only posted to furthest outer perimeter for security.
“Highly trained” units eh? You mean the SWAT teams that have social hour grouped together on the front lawns after a house raid? bwahahahaa
Again already stated the problems which you’ve ignored, not enough police, etc, the segment of law enforcement that will not follow illegal orders, etc. Sure if governors will stand up with forces that will make a difference as well. Also in the American War for Independence there were trained fighters with experience from French and Indiana wars; similarly, we have such returning veterans from Iraq, Afghanistan, who’s morale and view of the Zero administration probably isn’t too high to put it mildly, after having to deal with laughable rules of engagement that put our troops at risk, and the gender/sex orientation social experiment forced on units.
“If one were to resist when the SWAT team is at the door,”
“The leaders are better targets than the grunts.
IMO, I say bring back the old-fashioned “dope-slap” for those who fall into this category. You’d be surprised how quick one straightens up after getting one. It’s definitely a WTF moment. A moment that ALL sheeple/grunts/followers need to experience.