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Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?
American Thinker ^ | January 3, 2013 | William A. Levinson

Posted on 01/02/2013 11:52:28 PM PST by neverdem

Senator Dianne Feinstein's latest divide-and-conquer attack on the Second Amendment has made even Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) a sucker for the argument that private citizens do not need high-capacity magazines. These include not only 30-round rifle magazines, but 17-round magazines for handguns like the Glock.

Why does anybody need a high capacity magazine? If Senator Manchin were to educate himself by, for example, attending Front Sight's four-day defensive handgun class, he would learn the two primary answers:

(1) Failure to stop the aggressor, and

(2) Multiple aggressors

Failure to Stop

The classic .38 caliber revolver, with a capacity of six rounds, was the standard sidearm of the United States Army during the Moro insurrection in the Philippines. The Army found at least one dead Army officer with an empty sidearm, and his head split open by a machete or similar weapon. They also found the soldier's killer, who had finally bled to death. Six rounds of .38 were therefore not enough to convince even one determined attacker.

Police instructor Masaad Ayoob's The Truth About Self Protection adds an incident in which a female police officer saw a crazed gunman murder a woman, who then shot her as well before she could do anything. "She lay helpless as she watched a neighbor empty a .22 rifle into the killer; the neighbor then had to club the madman down with the empty rifle, again and again, before he succumbed."

Ayoob does not report the size of the .22's magazine, but the Moro insurrection exemplifies why even a 30-round rifle clip might not be enough to stop a crazed and determined attacker, such as one hopped up on a drug like PCP. "He had 32 Krag balls through him and was only stopped by the 33rd bullet -- a Colt .45 slug through..."...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 30round; banglist; fromeachaccording; governmentuberalles; guncontrol; magazine; toeachaccording; whydoesanybodyneed
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To: Daralundy

Why does the US Senate need a Diane Feinstein?


51 posted on 01/03/2013 4:15:23 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Daralundy

Why does the US Senate need a Diane Feinstein?


52 posted on 01/03/2013 4:15:23 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: neverdem

I need a 30-round magazine to kill government representatives who are fighting me with THEIR 30-round magazines.

That’s what this is all about.


53 posted on 01/03/2013 4:18:39 AM PST by gotribe
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To: neverdem
Number one- Nancy Pelosi
Number two- Diane Feinstein
Number three.....
54 posted on 01/03/2013 4:21:13 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: neverdem

Why aren’t the police carrying 6 shot revolvers?

Why do they often empty their 15 round mags (into the wrong guy?)

Why do I need a big V8 engine?

Questions, questions...


55 posted on 01/03/2013 4:22:26 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: neverdem

Large capacity magazines are for those people who are lousy shots. If you are well practiced, calm and steady then one round should do the trick, but that has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is totalitarianism and the liberal agenda to control what you own and possess. There should be no restrictions on what you may own and use. If someone wants a 30 round magazine then it is not the government’s business to interfere.


56 posted on 01/03/2013 4:22:40 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: neverdem

Because 100 rounds are heavy and combersome.


57 posted on 01/03/2013 4:23:21 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: neverdem

58 posted on 01/03/2013 4:24:32 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: neverdem

Why does anyone need a car that can go 110 mph?

Why does anyone need more than 30 days supply of anything?

Why does anyone need a DVD player?

Why does anyone need a house with more than 2 rooms?

Why does anyone need more than 50 rounds of ammo?

Why does anyone need more than 3 windows in a house?

Why does anyone need orange juice?

Why does anyone need a motorcycle?

Why does anyone need a birthday cake?

Why does anyone need a butcher knife?

Why does anyone need a hamster?

Why does anyone need access to the Internet?

Why does anyone need more than 2 pairs of shoes?

Why does anyone need more than 1 television?

Why does anyone need hot water on demand?

Why does anyone need more than 2 children?

The “Why does anyone need...” argument is straight-up Marxism from the man himself. It’s based on the concept that some adults should be arbiters of what other adults need. Don’t even go there. Once you do it will never end. There are no limits to what someone somewhere can decide you don’t really need.


59 posted on 01/03/2013 4:28:45 AM PST by servo1969
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To: Kickass Conservative

Now THAT ONE made me laugh!


60 posted on 01/03/2013 4:38:27 AM PST by Apple Blossom (Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed regularly, and for the same reason.)
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To: neverdem
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

Because there are more than 30 Nazis.

Next question?

61 posted on 01/03/2013 4:38:33 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: neverdem

It’s because it’s The Bill of Rights, not the bill of needs…we could go a long way down that same path:

Why does anyone need a car that can go faster than the posted speed limit? (“what the hell do you need a Corvette for?”, as one caller alluded)

Why does anyone need alcohol or tobacco?

Why does anyone need fast food?

Why does anyone need more than 1000 square feet for living space? (“we’re killing the planet!!”)

Why does anyone need the right to protest?

He may lose no sleep over banned magazines, but the next guy may lose no sleep over banning outboard motors , snowmobiles, or weed whippers. (too dangerous, too polluting, whatever…)

There’s likely a great reason why none of the above examples are Constitutionally guaranteed or more important than privately owned firearms. Those founding fathers were pretty smart fellers, however, if one truly believes we need to ban these, at least do it the right way and amend the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment rather than all this rinky dink tinkering with 10 round VS 30 round ; pistol grip VS non pistol grip, and so on…That’s why we have an amendment process.

The 1994 “assault weapons ban” didn’t really change anything other than the prices went up on the new “evil” stuff.


62 posted on 01/03/2013 4:44:12 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: neverdem

The more these tyrants talk, the more I think I need rocket launchers and C4. They are going to force us into slavery or civil war.


63 posted on 01/03/2013 4:45:24 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Daralundy

Why does anyone need designer clothes when a t shirt and jeans will do?


Shirt and jeans? We’re talking “Mao suit” with these people.


64 posted on 01/03/2013 4:46:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: neverdem
Why does anybody need a high capacity magazine?

because I don't have a belt-fed weapon.
65 posted on 01/03/2013 5:07:47 AM PST by stylin19a (Obasma - Fredo samart)
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To: neverdem

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.....................

‘Cause they’s MORE than thirty bad guys out there??


66 posted on 01/03/2013 5:13:27 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: Daralundy

,,,,, why has the administration operated for over 1,300 without an approved budget ? ,, why does Moochelle take so many expensive vacations ?? ,, why has the president voided our countries Constitution ??? Why is the president such a hardcore communist ????

The answer :

BECAUSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!


67 posted on 01/03/2013 5:13:37 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism & Communism are the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: stylin19a

because I don’t have a belt-fed weapon.

...and that, should concern you just as much as the 30 round magazine.

The same kind of people are responsible for both ideas.


68 posted on 01/03/2013 5:20:49 AM PST by wita
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To: Daralundy

My target only has 29 holes?


69 posted on 01/03/2013 5:24:09 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: neverdem

“Why does anybody need a 30 round magazine?

In all seriousess, this is the front line weapon liberals will employ against the 2nd Amendment. It’s simple, bumper sticker sized, and hard to answer unless you reply in kind. We need good, short answers that can be circulated in response. Think about these, or add your own:

1. For self defense against multiple attackers.

2. Because jackbooted thugs have them, too.

3. Because man has an inherent right to arm himself to the level of his potential oppressors, foreign or domestic.

4. Because ‘arms’ mean military arms. The Founders provided the means for civilians to own the exact same weapons as their own and foreign militaries. The fact that weapons have grown more accurate and powerful doesn’t negate that original logic.


70 posted on 01/03/2013 5:31:44 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: neverdem

Why does any of my tax money go to California?

Why is my hospital bill so high to make up for illegal aliens who abuse the system?

Why can’t my local school toss out the miscreants and the lawyers and thus lower my taxes?

Why aren’t Feinstein’s husband’s business deals investigated for cronyism?


71 posted on 01/03/2013 5:32:08 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly. I don’t remember reading in the bill of rights anywhere where it said these rights were to be based on demonstrated need. These are rights, period. Hey DiFi, by that “logic” applied to the first amendment, we should all have to justify a need for Facebook accounts with more than ten friends. Our maybe license email. Our limit address books in smartphones. Can’t have you communicating with too many people.

Bottom line, I probably don’t need a thirty round magazine. But i absolutely need the freedom to own one because you Di, and the government, are prevented from infringing upon my rights. When you try, that’s wrong. If you succeed, then we have tyranny, not some day in the future, but right here, right now.


72 posted on 01/03/2013 5:32:28 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Steel Wolf

““Why does anybody need a 30 round magazine?”

Because the people from the government who are going to come for my guns will have 30 round magazines.

Why are we dancing around the truth?


73 posted on 01/03/2013 5:33:44 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: neverdem

For the same reason we need a representative government rather than a dictator.


The ultimate power of the Constitution is that it restrains the Federal Government and retains the power of the States and the People if they can recall how to exercise it.


74 posted on 01/03/2013 5:34:38 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: neverdem

For me, reloading a ten round magazine gets tiresome after about fifty rounds.
And all I do is punch holes in paper.


75 posted on 01/03/2013 5:40:46 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: neverdem

> Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

To even the score with assailants/terrorists/jack-booted-thugs who have 30-rd mags.

Guns of military utility are ESSENTIAL to the defence of Family, Property, and Liberty.


76 posted on 01/03/2013 5:52:03 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: The Cajun
Heard that wasn’t a good thing to do because you’re always shoving dirt, etc into the bottom mag..........Just saying.

You're probably right-- it was just kind of a joke and I should have attached a "/sarc" tag. Might give one a little too much exposure if you're prone & searching for a couple more inches of defilade -- no /sarc here.

Thanks --

77 posted on 01/03/2013 5:59:10 AM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; campaignPete R-CT; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

Cuba’s starting to look better these days...


78 posted on 01/03/2013 6:02:07 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Time to musk up.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Because the people from the government who are going to come for my guns will have 30 round magazines”

That’s a great answer, although it will be more than your guns they’re ultimately coming for.

One thing I always try to impress upon gun banners with their starry eyed dream of a perfectly safe nation is that there is no perfectly safe nation. You get to choose whether you live in a country that suffers the occasional spree shooting or the occasional genocide. Armed people, to paraphrase Stalin, suffer tragedies. Disarmed people become statistics.

That would be my only edit. That it’s not the guns they’re ultimately after. It’s the power to bend or break you without fear of retaliation.


79 posted on 01/03/2013 6:12:16 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Steel Wolf

Privately owned guns is the biggest hurdle that these people have to get over in order to achieve their goal of total subjugation.


80 posted on 01/03/2013 6:15:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: neverdem

NEED is a trap that gives the govt an excuse to ban anything not “needed”. I have lots of things I dont need and it’s none of the f’in govt business.


81 posted on 01/03/2013 6:24:33 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: DugwayDuke

I need a high capacity magazine because I’m not a very good shot and possibly, just possibly, that extra round will fend off anyone trying to do harm to me or my family.

why do Ineed a 30 round magazine? Because they don’t make 50 round magazines.


82 posted on 01/03/2013 6:36:47 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: DugwayDuke

I need a high capacity magazine because I’m not a very good shot and possibly, just possibly, that extra round will fend off anyone trying to do harm to me or my family.

why do Ineed a 30 round magazine? Because they don’t make 50 round magazines.


83 posted on 01/03/2013 6:38:06 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: neverdem

Because I want one and the constitution protects my rkba. No other answer is necessary and frankly is none of the govt business


84 posted on 01/03/2013 6:40:10 AM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: neverdem
The higher capacity magazine the better in dealing with feral liberal varmints. They are like locusts; they devour everything in sight, everywhere they are.
85 posted on 01/03/2013 7:10:55 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: neverdem
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

Why do those who let fear rule their lives assume that the 1.5 seconds it takes to reload a magazine will do anything useful?

(It surely didn't slow down Adam Lanza. He fired MANY more than 30 shots. He brought additional magazines, because he wanted to fire more than 30 shots. That doesn't take a genius to figure out. Clearly this huge push for magazine limitations isn't for safety. So what is it about, dear Liberal friends? If you answer anything other than "Control", you're likely wrong yet again.)

86 posted on 01/03/2013 7:17:20 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Casie
Yes! We need to STOP trying to make excuses for our rights!

Exactly!

The guns they want to do away with are optimized for fighting. If they are trying to limit your ability to fight, when you are not fighting, what does that tell you?

87 posted on 01/03/2013 7:26:25 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Liberty Valance

Vairy Finnay!


88 posted on 01/03/2013 7:30:21 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Steel Wolf
...it’s not the guns they’re ultimately after. It’s the power to bend or break you without fear of retaliation.

Ding, ding, ding!

89 posted on 01/03/2013 7:44:48 AM PST by papertyger
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To: neverdem
"Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?"

Because 40 round mags are hard to find.

Well, so are 30s these days...

90 posted on 01/03/2013 7:48:49 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: neverdem
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

I'll assume it's already been said, but of course we don't have a Bill of Needs. Refreshing to say it.

91 posted on 01/03/2013 7:49:09 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

The easy answer: “...because I can’t find a 40-round magazine.”


92 posted on 01/03/2013 7:49:47 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: neverdem
Why does any Senator need to serve more than one term?
93 posted on 01/03/2013 7:52:01 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactamundo.


94 posted on 01/03/2013 7:55:39 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: publius911

why do we need 100 senators when ONE dictator can do the job?

Why do we need a NYC or an LA or a San Francisco when people can easily be forced to live in small villages?

Why do we need so many universities when just one Harvard does such a wonderful job?


95 posted on 01/03/2013 7:57:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem
the Moro insurrection in the Philippines.

It's not terribly relevant to the article, but still a very interesting note that the Moros were and are a particularly nasty bunch of violent mohammedan radical terrorists.

96 posted on 01/03/2013 8:03:31 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neverdem

Because reloading cuts into your fun time.


97 posted on 01/03/2013 8:14:39 AM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: All

Why does a bear crap in the woods? Because (gr) it is his natural given birthright and until someone changes that by forcibly putting him in a cage thats what he is going to do.


98 posted on 01/03/2013 8:26:33 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Daralundy

It is DEFINITELY time for “common sense press control.” After all, the First Amendment was meant to protect only the single-sheet manual printing press, not today’s 200-page, color publications or the internet or the web or TV or movies.


99 posted on 01/03/2013 8:30:10 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: neverdem
"Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?"

According to the vainglorious doom stories of the government-funded socialist middle class, when they lose their incomes during the austerity programs of the default process, they're going to attack and conquer rural families.

Such rural families might be better able to hold off the gangs of former political/regulator zombies (no longer highly paid for officiously regulating against and robbing their neighbors) with 30-round magazines, until police arrive. And oh, yeah...there won't be any "WROL" (without rule of law) situation, as rural folks will always somehow compensate law enforcement and keep it employed.

[Little hyperbole and humor there but not entirely unrealistic. Country folks need rifles for various reasons including defense, protecting livestock, Second Amendment, because of rural distances involved.]


100 posted on 01/03/2013 9:35:32 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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