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Dave Grossman: First-Person Shooter Videogames Should be Banned
January 4 | Katechon

Posted on 01/04/2013 5:43:51 PM PST by Katechon

Dave Grossman

The first juvenile mass-murder happened for the FIRST TIME in recorded human history in the late 1970s, in California. In 500 years of gun-powder combat, not once had a juvenile committed multiple homicide. We had a couple in the 1980s, and now it's out of control. So what happened?

It's Pavlog Dog, said Lt. Col. Lt. Col. Grossman: our youth is being conditioned from childhood by videogames to be "First-Person Shooters, (FPS) and to associate killing, human death and suffering with reward and pleasure.

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Videogames are not "games"; they are mass-murder simulators, Grossman says.

Our kids are being wired from childhood by hyper-violent and realistic video games to be brainless killers, precognitively loaded to be potential murderers. And if videogames are training them to be killers, the movies and many TV shows are the propaganda machines of the gang-bangers.

In videogames, kids are being rewarded to kill, but without any of the benefits coming from the disciplinary training of the Army. And this rewarding response to killing another (virtual) human being deactivates our innate resistance to murdering.

Everyone is born with a deep resistance to killing any member of one’s own species; and this resistance is a key factor in combat.

Most participants in close combat are “frightened out of their wits,” says Grossman. But proper operant conditioning reliably influences the midbrain processing of a frightened human being.

Fire drills condition terrified school children to respond properly during a fire. Conditioning in flight simulators enables frightened pilots to respond reflexively to emergency situations.

Once the bullets start flying, combattants stop thinking with the forebrain (cerebrum) and start thinking with the primitive midbrain. The limbic system and the hypotalamus are in action while killing; whilst the rational brain is deactivated. But even the midbrain processing powerfully resists to the killing of one’s own species; it's a survival mechanism preventing a species from destroying itself.

To overcome this innate resistance to killing other human beings, the military and law enforcement communities have developped operantly conditioned devices using killing simulators in training. Turning killing into a conditionned response.

By the middle of the XXth century, the Human Resources Research Office (HumRRO) of the US Army pioneered a revolution in combat training. This paradigmatic shift would lead warriors firing at bullseye targets to warriors firing at man-shaped pop-up targets that fall when hit.

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Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall observed that only 15 to 20 percent of the individual riflemen in World War II fired their weapons at an exposed enemy soldier. When left to their own devices, 80 percent of the combatants appear to have been unable or unwilling to kill.

But murder simulators produced a dramatic increase in participation in killing. More effective tactical and mechanical mechanisms were developped to enable or force combatants to overcome their resistance to killing.

The application and perfection of conditioning techniques increased the rate of fire to approximately 55 percent in Korea and around 95 percent in Vietnam, says Grossman.

The military’s marksmanship training program, with its pop-up targets, constitutes an highly effective operant conditioning.

Military behaviorists found out how to overcome our innate resistance to murder; they brought way up the percentage of killers among the platoons by incorporating reactive training with humanoid pop-up silhouettes.

Now the video industry has kids playing video games for hours at a time, blasting away at humanoid targets which explode in blood and gore when you shoot them.

In First-Person Shooter videogames, you pull the trigger and the human explodes in high-def blood and gore in front of you. And you do it again and again and again, while eating chips, drinking pop and smelling your girlfriend's perfume. This reconditions the kids to be ready to pull any actual trigger on any living human. Those videogames should be BANNED, restricted to military and law enforcement training.

turn the tv off


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To: Katechon

“my islamic militias”

I REALLY hope that was a typo...


201 posted on 01/04/2013 8:36:29 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Repeat Offender

“I mean you want to ban an object because it may make people think about killing. I’ve already actually done killing and could care less about your stupid video games. What would you have in store for me with your knee jerk reactions? “

It’s not about THINKING about killing. Calm down and re-read the head-thread: it’s about BEHAVIORAL CONDITIONNING:

— STIMULUS: ANSWER.


202 posted on 01/04/2013 8:37:18 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
there are JUST wars (such as the Crusades)

The Crusades were about money and getting the thugs out of Europe.

Where did you learn history?

/johnny

203 posted on 01/04/2013 8:37:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Listen, this is a place to discuss Grossman’s thesis. I’m sorry you feel threatened by it.

And no, Grossman ain’t saying that Stalin, Hitler, Mao or Pot used video-games to train their killers, okay?


204 posted on 01/04/2013 8:40:29 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
Yes, as the old rabbis are saying, Cain was the ‘son of wrath,’; they think he’s the son of satan, a precursor to Masteman

Ignoring that nonsense since Cain was Adam and Eve's firstborn son....and Genesis makes no reference or inference to him being the son of satan......

You still haven't answered the question.

You want to ban an object without substantial proof it WILL cause someone to kill someone else.

It’s about training kids to become (potential) killers without any discipline.

In your previous post "potential" wasn't in it. The word you chose was "FACT." As in "WILL" cause.

I'm stating in 100% truthfulness and honesty I have killed people.....without the assistance of a video game. Where do I fit into your equation?

Who gets to be though police and determine what should or shouldn't be banned? Are True Crime and Murder Mysteries next? Or killers like me? Where does it end and who holds this power?

205 posted on 01/04/2013 8:41:07 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Katechon
He says those training is used my islamic militias and gang members, among many other people.

There are verified accounts of islamists and gang members getting REAL training from the REAL US military.

Want to ban that, too?

You can't stop people from passing information or training. Ever.

All you can do when you try is to grind the good people into the earth, so their blood and bones can feed another generation of thugs.

/johnny

206 posted on 01/04/2013 8:41:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Grossman is a conservative and so am I. I am not the enemy.


207 posted on 01/04/2013 8:42:31 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
Yes, as the old rabbis are saying, Cain was the ‘son of wrath,’; they think he’s the son of satan, a precursor to Masteman

Ignoring that nonsense since Cain was Adam and Eve's firstborn son....and Genesis makes no reference or inference to him being the son of satan......

You still haven't answered the question.

You want to ban an object without substantial proof it WILL cause someone to kill someone else.

It’s about training kids to become (potential) killers without any discipline.

In your previous post "potential" wasn't in it. The word you chose was "FACT." As in "WILL" cause.

I'm stating in 100% truthfulness and honesty I have killed people.....without the assistance of a video game. Where do I fit into your equation? If something like a First Person Shooter GAME will "make" someone kill, wouldn't First Person Shooting REALITY make them all the more worse?

Who gets to be thought police and determine what should or shouldn't be banned? Are True Crime and Murder Mysteries next? Or killers like me? Where does it end and who holds this power?

208 posted on 01/04/2013 8:45:20 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Katechon

You both fail. No conservative advocates banning anything based on no evidence. No conservative dodges questions and plays the victim. No conservative bases a theory on whole cloth.

But you call yourself whatever you like.


209 posted on 01/04/2013 8:45:23 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: JRandomFreeper
For all the loot those bastards took, they never got a single video game.

Your theory to ban video games is bad science.

Yep. I'm pretty sure the nips weren't all jazzed up from playing Bushido Warrior Spec Ops before going in to rape Nanking either. Maybe some wicked sake made 'em go whack, but was more likely all that racist crap Tojo was pushin'. This whole "first person shooter video game creates mass killers" argument is just that. Junk science, like global warming. Made from whole cloth for the low information , believe anything sheeple crowd to gulp down as an easy answer.

210 posted on 01/04/2013 8:45:56 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Repeat Offender

The problem is not about killing; killing is perfectly fined in many situations (war, self-defense, etc).

The critics of Grossman is that FPS videogames provide a training without disciplines. And worst: it associates killing with pleasure and reward, without the context of an actual war or self-defense.


211 posted on 01/04/2013 8:47:35 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
U remember Dr, Grossman's interview with G. Gordon Liddy probably 10 years ago. There was a spring during which there was an outbreak of shootings by high school kids, and the interview was in response.

Grossman was (maybe still is) a professor at West Point, and I believe a graduate. He taught and researches issues dealing with combat situations - ie the issues of taking life. He knows his stuff. I remember he commented that the h.s. shooter in Kentucky had a head shot ratio about 10 times that of an FBI sharpshooter - the kid was on automatic and highly trained via the realistic game he had become addicted to.

I also remember him stating that many of the top programmers and designers were former military and people who had the same background as himself - ie they studied how the mind works, the frequencies, the flashes, the sounds are not based upon art or coolness - rather, they are based upon techniques used to create additive feedback.

. As a longterm FReeper, I understand the attitude toward those who want to ban everything and the nanny state. However, I think Grossman is spot on in this regard. Not sure what the solution is as I think a ban is unrealistic. Hopefully, his work will have an impact on parents so they become more aware.
212 posted on 01/04/2013 8:48:40 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Norm Lenhart

lol, yeah, it was a typo: by* islamic militias.


213 posted on 01/04/2013 8:48:49 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
Not with their own species. They are being gentle with each others in their mating and territorial rituals, competitions.

Your contention is that animals don't want to kill each other naturally. You said that. It is demonstrably false.

Grossman's theory is flatulance, until proved by facts.

Facts tend to disprove Grossman's theory.

I am not threatened by it, because I recognize nature, and don't try to sugar-coat it.

Grossman is discredited until he draws a statistical link between video games and murders. And even if he does, you can't get around the 1st Amendment.

You still didn't define exactly what a 'massacre' is.

/johnny

214 posted on 01/04/2013 8:50:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The Crusades were first and foremost about the armies of allah — they were invading Europe and desecrating Jerusalem, the holiest place on earth.


215 posted on 01/04/2013 8:50:59 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Repeat Offender
Many, many rabbis made and are making the case that Cain was fathered by satan. "Cain was also viewed as a type of utter perverseness, an offspring of Satan (Pirḳe R. El. xxi.), "a son of wrath" (Apoc. Mosis, 3), a lawless rebel who said, "There is neither a divine judgment nor a judge" (Midr. Leḳaḥ Ṭob and Targ. Yer. to Gen. iv. 8), whose words of repentance were insincere (Sanh. 101b; Tan.), whose fleeing from God was a denial of His omnipresence (Gen. R. xxii.), and whose punishment was of an extraordinary character:" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3904-cain
216 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:19 PM PST by Katechon
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To: JRandomFreeper

Grossman said we should not labeled those mass-murders (defined as multiple homicides) as “shootings,” but rather as “massacres.”

One can shoot for sport and training and hunting wihout committing multiple homicide. Don’t let ‘them’ usurp the term ‘shooting,’ he said.


217 posted on 01/04/2013 8:57:06 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon; Norm Lenhart
Grossman is a conservative and so am I. I am not the enemy.

You have been shredded on this thread and haven't come close to defending Grossman's ridiculous theory.

I'd like to see you answer the Chicago / Houston conundrum.

218 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:04 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Katechon

I assumed so. But considering what you are advocating, One cannot be entirely sure.

Pacifist Americans would indeed be easy targets for the armies of pig sodomy, would they not?

I would assume a bunch of jihadists led by devotion to the spawn of pigs and goats would LOVE a disarmed America too scared to even kill virtually.


219 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:12 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Katechon
Study some history.

The crusades were about politics, money, and getting the thugs out of Europe (Christian thugs).

I'd be fine with dropping an asteroid on Mecca today, but the crusades? Nah... that was not iustum bellum.

Hell they weren't even smart wars.

Clusters, we call them today.

/johnny

220 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:30 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Katechon
“I mean you want to ban an object because it may make people think about killing. I’ve already actually done killing and could care less about your stupid video games. What would you have in store for me with your knee jerk reactions?

It’s not about THINKING about killing. Calm down and re-read the head-thread: it’s about BEHAVIORAL CONDITIONNING:

— STIMULUS: ANSWER.

Ok........would not KILLING be "Behavioral Conditioning" for.....gee, I don't know MORE KILLING?

So, can you now answer my question posed twice in previous posts?

If not, just say it is about "feeling good." ie there has to be a cause for the affect. Something/someone has to take the blame for the deaths of 20 school children; so it is evil guns, medication, FPS games....what have you. The real culprit, the killer committed suicide and therefore is not around for the public to vent its wrath at.

But, it "feels good" to find a scapegoat and make it the "cause" therefore we can easily work to eliminate this cause and the innocent bystanders' rights be damned.

If it isn't about feeling good....then respond - it is about control. Situations like Columbine and Sandy Hook make you and others like you feel powerless and without control. By "doing something" and taking "decisive action" to "fix" the problem it puts you back in "control" and rebuilds your ego. We identified the problem as video games, assault rifles, and high capacity socket wrenches and are taking control of the situation and the problem is solved.

Any which way, don't sit here and try to pawn off some BS about a video game made me do it and we NEED to ban them. Because in the end sick people will still do sick things.

Further, don't insult everyone by trying to say you are a conservative and not the enemy when you are trying to infringe upon everyone else for the actions of one individual.........NeWs FlAsH - that is NOT a conservative response.

221 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:30 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Eaker

Yup. Reality is a bitch when it goes against the theory.


222 posted on 01/04/2013 8:59:29 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: tang-soo

Yes, I remember indeed. It was about the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_High_School_shooting

Michael Corneal shot 8 times and hit 8 times. Five of them head shots. Yet the boy had never shot a real firearm in his life (except, IIRC, a few hours of training).

But he was a master at video game. He shot only once at each target. Which, he says, is highly weird from a debutant.

In the FPS videogame he was playing, players were rewarded for headshots.


223 posted on 01/04/2013 9:00:53 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Norm Lenhart

Grossman ain’t a pacifist; he’s a warrior, a ‘sheepdog.’ And he certaintly does not want Americans to be disarmed. Far from it.


224 posted on 01/04/2013 9:03:17 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Repeat Offender

The good thing about this discussion is the practice for when they start the ban calls on everything rapid fire.

As to your questions...Heh...fat chance of an answer. but then you already know that ;)


225 posted on 01/04/2013 9:03:35 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Katechon
Many, many rabbis made and are making the case that Cain was fathered by satan. "Cain was also viewed as a type of utter perverseness, an offspring of Satan (Pirḳe R. El. xxi.), "a son of wrath" (Apoc. Mosis, 3), a lawless rebel who said, "There is neither a divine judgment nor a judge" (Midr. Leḳaḥ Ṭob and Targ. Yer. to Gen. iv. 8), whose words of repentance were insincere (Sanh. 101b; Tan.), whose fleeing from God was a denial of His omnipresence (Gen. R. xxii.), and whose punishment was of an extraordinary character:" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3904-cain

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. I didn't know that The LORD equaled satan in Genesis Chapter 4.

Please stop posting nonsense on FR.

226 posted on 01/04/2013 9:04:15 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Katechon

He advocates an unproven theory. Sheepdog is right. He can’t see a damn thing.


227 posted on 01/04/2013 9:04:46 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Katechon
defined as multiple homicides

How many? Over what time period?

Define it. Then we can compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

I'm less worried about someone else usurping the word 'shooting' than I am about you, here on FR, trying to usurp the word massacre.

Because you linked that with individual shootings of gang bangers in communist controlled cities in America, like Chicago.

/johnny

228 posted on 01/04/2013 9:06:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Zhang Fei

>>Animals have been killing other animals over resources and for recreation since before they emerged from the primordial soup.

And humans were pretty darn good at it long before FPS videogames and auto-loading rifles with box magazines. Just ask the adversaries of Ghengis Khan or Julius Caesar, for some good historical examples.


229 posted on 01/04/2013 9:06:45 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Katechon

Did the theory involve the movie “Toys” by any chance? Or the Last Starfighter? And then extrapolate to ridiculous extremes?


230 posted on 01/04/2013 9:08:15 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Repeat Offender

“I’m stating in 100% truthfulness and honesty I have killed people.....without the assistance of a video game. Where do I fit into your equation? If something like a First Person Shooter GAME will “make” someone kill, wouldn’t First Person Shooting REALITY make them all the more worse?”

That’s a fascinating question. I think Grossman would ask “in which context”? Military? Then you received the discipline; you know why you did it; and you are being recompensed for it: parades, medales, honour.
Or was it police duty? Or self-defense? Or as a civilian militant during a civil war?

The basic difference with FPS videogames is that one associates killing with reward and pleasure, without any disciplinary and larger context.

Is that so in the military and the police? I don’t think so. It’s about protecting the ‘sheep’ from the ‘wolves’ — much more than raking points, while smelling your girlfriend perfume and drinking soda pop with your buddies.


231 posted on 01/04/2013 9:09:15 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Norm Lenhart
I pinged you and a few others that were in the "replies" because you "know me" and the circumstances of what I admitted to. I figured it [I] was a good example because of the broad brush and knee-jerk "logic" that was being applied by the other poster.

I don't expect to receive a logical answer....just more nonsense. But like you say, it is good practice to see what nonsensical approaches they will take.

232 posted on 01/04/2013 9:09:15 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Katechon

Also, did his video game experience include a recoil simulator? Or a built in Adrenaline pump?

Because actually killing someone with a gun involves both. And it’s hard to train realistically without a big dose of both.


233 posted on 01/04/2013 9:11:14 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Repeat Offender

Funny that when confronted with facts from a man that knows what he’s talking about from real life experience, our friend just can’t seem to theorize his way around it huh?

Glad you spoke up on this. Because he can’t easily explain you away.


234 posted on 01/04/2013 9:13:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: FreedomPoster

Again, the point here is about the killing perpetrated by an individual, not as part of a larger war machine. That’s why he gave the example of the lone rifleman. When many are required to manage a piece of artillery, they WILL aim to kill. Not so the rifleman, said Grossman prior to the conditionning of the pop-up humanoid silhouettes.


235 posted on 01/04/2013 9:15:13 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Norm Lenhart

the response is of reward and pleasure. And the act if repeated thousands of times, several hours per weeks, for years.


236 posted on 01/04/2013 9:16:54 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Repeat Offender

I’ve said many rabbis hold Cain to be the son of satan; I did not say it was written in the Bible. What is wrong with you?


237 posted on 01/04/2013 9:18:48 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
much more than raking points, while smelling your girlfriend perfume and drinking soda pop with your buddies.

That's not generally how that works here in the US. Sure, where you are, it's all a great big group thing.

Here in the States, where I've gone days without seeing another human, and living 16 kilometers from the nearest neighbor, things are different.

Most mass killers (I'll define as over 3 shot or killed, on the same killing field, within one engagement) are considered 'loners', without girlfriends or buddies.

Your values are not my values. Your situation is not my situation. Your environment is not my environment.

To attempt to dictate to me that I give up my rights, as affirmed by the Constitution, is laughable.

Grossman's science isn't science.

He's drawn a conclusion without data that can be verified.

You compound that error by cultural mis-application of your experiences to a nation you know nothing about.

/johnny

238 posted on 01/04/2013 9:19:39 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Katechon

So how does he target a physical gun weighing 10 pounds while experiencing a full blown adreneline rush that makes you shake violently?

Certainly a first time killer with no serious experience in real firearms cannot credit his physical control of a physical thing that weighs pounds, under an adreneline rush and a mobile scenario, to the sedentary activity of sitting on a couch pushing buttons .

Because that is what your saying. A virtual mental experience can PHYSICALLY condition a person. I want to know how such is medically possible.


239 posted on 01/04/2013 9:21:49 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Katechon
Then you received the discipline; you know why you did it; and you are being recompensed for it: parades, medales, honour.

Tin and yarn are of little recompense for human life. Killing for the sake of being "honored" in the name of parades, medals, and "honour" would be no different than killing in the name of "high score" on a video game. Do not seek reward amongst men.

Is that so in the military and the police? I don’t think so. So you don't think there is "reward and pleasure" in avenging the death of a comrade?

The basic difference with FPS videogames is that one associates killing with reward and pleasure, without any disciplinary and larger context

How do you know? What about the college student that uses video games as stress release to give his mind something unimportant to focus on for a set period of time so he can get back studying. Would this not be "discipline?" What about FPS games/scenarios used by the military that show cause/effect on actions in different scenarios?

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Where do I fit into your equation? If something like a First Person Shooter GAME will “make” someone kill, wouldn’t First Person Shooting REALITY make them all the more worse?”

That’s a fascinating question.

And one that appears to have not been asked prior to Grossman's [and your acceptance] determination that video games should be banned. So how far down the rabbit hole shall we go? How many must lose their liberties before those questions are asked? If you can ban the video game because of what it may do, then certainly you could ban me for what I've already shown I can and will do? Why does it matter the circumstances of military, police, self-defense?

It didn't matter for the gamer that had done nothing more than play a video game. Your logic should hold true for the actual killer. If a video game corrupts one to kill, then it isn't that hard to believe killing will corrupt one to kill more. So, who is going to be responsible for making the determination of what/who should be banned next?

Beyond that is determining who the unfortunate soul that will be sent to "ban" me.......after all, I've already proven myself capability of killing for real.

240 posted on 01/04/2013 9:23:00 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Your contention is that animals don’t want to kill each other naturally. You said that. “

No, the discussion was about the existence or not of a natural resistance among the members of one’s species to kill another.

There is, according to Grossman:

“In conflict situations this primitive, midbrain processing can be observed in the existence of a powerful resistance to killing one’s own kind. Animals with antlers and horns slam together in a relatively harmless head-to-head fashion, and piranha fight their own kind with flicks of the tail, but against any other species these creatures unleash their horns and teeth without restraint. This is an ESSENTIAL SURVIVAL MECHANISM which prevents a species from destroying itself during territorial and mating rituals.”


241 posted on 01/04/2013 9:24:57 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
For what it's worth, you've likely heard this story On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs. It was written by the same Dave Grossman.

By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:

"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...

"Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
242 posted on 01/04/2013 9:27:18 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Katechon
I’ve said many rabbis hold Cain to be the son of satan; I did not say it was written in the Bible. What is wrong with you?

Nothing. You made a statement of "fact" that humans were programmed not to kill one another. I stated from Scripture this wasn't true.

Trying to refute Scripture by using "some rabbis" hold beliefs in something and then backing away from it when called out is about as effective as saying a genie came out of a lamp and said blah blah blah. I can't prove a negative. I can't prove it didn't happen........but I can show you where it would be inaccurate by Scripture and therefore worthless to your argument.

You built a strawman based on "some rabbis." I showed again where it was Scripturally wrong. "Some rabbis" and strawmen will not help you win this debate.

243 posted on 01/04/2013 9:30:03 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Katechon
“In conflict situations this primitive, midbrain processing can be observed in the existence of a powerful resistance to killing one’s own kind.

Grossman is flat-out wrong.

First thing a male lion does when taking over a pride is kill the lion cubs. Because he didn't father them.

Every single time.

It's documented.

I've watched squirrels kill other squirrels.

He's just frigging wrong.

/johnny

244 posted on 01/04/2013 9:30:18 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Repeat Offender

“Tin and yarn are of little recompense for human life. Killing for the sake of being “honored” in the name of parades, medals, and “honour” would be no different than killing in the name of “high score” on a video game. Do not seek reward amongst men.”

I gotcha. Hounours and parades and medals are of secondary importance in contrast to the protection of country. My point was that a military knows why he’s killing during war: to protect God and country. The honours are part of a rituals aimed at reintegrating the warriors within civil society: to thank them, to reiterate that they did GOOD, even though they killed. Grossman says this part is very important, so that the warriors don’t feel guilty or bad about having killed.

Regarding the “ ‘reward and pleasure’ in avenging the death of a comrade.” Is it not secondary? Isn’t the application of Justice the primary force in play here? I don’t know, I’m asking.


245 posted on 01/04/2013 9:33:08 PM PST by Katechon
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To: JRandomFreeper

And sharks. With frikkin’ lazer beams on their foreheads....;)

I admire your patience in dealing with the mentally disabled Johnny.


246 posted on 01/04/2013 9:33:27 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Daveinyork

We have a toxic culture - no question about it. Realizing it is easy. What to do about it is hard.


247 posted on 01/04/2013 9:38:11 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Repeat Offender

“If a video game corrupts one to kill, then it isn’t that hard to believe killing will corrupt one to kill more.”

Again, it’s about the lack of responsibility, of dealing with the consequences. When someone murders in real life (ain’t the same as killing, as you know), there are potentially very grave consequences in real life. Not so in the FPS videogames, quite the opposite in fact; there are rewards.


248 posted on 01/04/2013 9:39:14 PM PST by Katechon
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To: tang-soo
Sir,

I have not bothered to login for months, but that is the best post I have seen in a coons age.

Thank you.

249 posted on 01/04/2013 9:41:44 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ok, let’s assume it’s wrong.

What about the Ten Commandments, and all the cultural conditionning against murdering then?

Grossman’s point would still stand: FPS deactivate the resistance to killings one human that has been informed since the Ten Commandments (at the very least) and in other codes as well (such as hummurabi’s).


250 posted on 01/04/2013 9:42:21 PM PST by Katechon
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