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To: Repeat Offender

“Tin and yarn are of little recompense for human life. Killing for the sake of being “honored” in the name of parades, medals, and “honour” would be no different than killing in the name of “high score” on a video game. Do not seek reward amongst men.”

I gotcha. Hounours and parades and medals are of secondary importance in contrast to the protection of country. My point was that a military knows why he’s killing during war: to protect God and country. The honours are part of a rituals aimed at reintegrating the warriors within civil society: to thank them, to reiterate that they did GOOD, even though they killed. Grossman says this part is very important, so that the warriors don’t feel guilty or bad about having killed.

Regarding the “ ‘reward and pleasure’ in avenging the death of a comrade.” Is it not secondary? Isn’t the application of Justice the primary force in play here? I don’t know, I’m asking.


245 posted on 01/04/2013 9:33:08 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Katechon
Regarding the “ ‘reward and pleasure’ in avenging the death of a comrade.” Is it not secondary? Isn’t the application of Justice the primary force in play here? I don’t know, I’m asking.

That is my point all along. It depends on the individual. Some joined the police or military to make their family proud and uphold tradition, some for college money, some for glory, some to travel, some for the hopes of being in combat to 'see what it is like,' and others for God and Country.

I will not reveal further the context (which many of the posters I pinged previously already knew) in which I was speaking.

What I do know is that the first time I killed someone it was three someones......well, there were five; I shot two, my buddy shot two and we both shot the guy in the middle. I dumped a 30 rd mag (loaded with 28 rds) and he dumped a 100rd belt.

God and Country were not on are minds when we high-fived each other and were shouting obscenities at our now dead opponents. We had "won." Even with several years of hindsight behind me, had I been asked what that "winning" meant, I could not have, and still cannot define what it meant. It was time to kill and we did. We were both alive. No video game, hunting trip, skydiving, fast driving, drinking binge etc could ever match that adrenaline.

But it didn't stop with just those 5.......there were plenty more after, and in that it was routine. I don't want to say the rest were "easier" because the first ones were not hard.....I guess 'less fanfare' would be more applicable. It was time to kill or it was not time to kill. I do not ever remember thinking about God, or Country, or family, or anything other than it is time to kill and I need to keep as many of us alive as possible. Your mind sort of starts to go into hyper drive....less important items [at the time] get pushed out and you hone in on the task at hand the upcoming ones in front of you.

Each person reacts different. Some people may feel remorse or conflicted after killing, some indifferent, and others satisfied and joyful - trust me on that one. It was the Marine Corps Birthday and we started singing the Marine's Hymn while shooting people. Some where joyful at the time and later felt remorse.

I feel remorse is better left for things you have done that were wrong. Someone may say they are going to do this or that, but until it is time to look at your opponent and remove his life from him, you have no idea what you are going to actually do. There is no blanket application or one-size-fits-all approach.

So if it is okay to ban video games for what they may trigger someone to do.....than it would stand to reason it is okay to ban someone for something they've shown they can and will do - hint: it's why we execute or lock up murderers.

But when you start fear mongering and trying to prevent actions before they occur and resort to thought police action you are on dangerous ground. Especially since, I am a loving devoted father to my children, I attend church regularly, and I help little old ladies cross the road [literally]. Nothing can 'make' you do anything. We all have a choice and it is what we do with it that matters - that's the beauty of liberty.

So, rather than ban inanimate objects for what the may cause people to want to do, or ban people for what they have a propensity to do........lets just stick with enforcing the laws we have and prosecuting people for ACTUAL crimes rather than thought crimes.

262 posted on 01/04/2013 10:01:20 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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