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What firearm(s) would you recommend for home protection?
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Posted on 01/06/2013 9:42:01 PM PST by ru4liberty

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To: tumblindice

LOL! You should have been with me this last week talking with a guy that makes AR-15’s for a living. Oh My!


101 posted on 01/06/2013 10:45:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: tumblindice

I meant a rifle at that point. 16in


102 posted on 01/06/2013 10:47:07 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; ru4liberty
If she has a .38 she’s all set. Shotguns are heavy and unwieldy for an older woman.. She can easily carry the .38 and she can’t keep a shotgun under her pillow either!

Agreed. Maybe add a set of Crimson Trace grips to that wheelgun and teach her to use the laser dot to aim. Very effective at indoor, home-defense distances.

103 posted on 01/06/2013 10:48:06 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: DesertRhino
Across a normal living room, you will be talking a 3 to 4 inch pattern.

As opposed to a maximum of 1/2 inch diameter bullet from a handgun. I like the odds of the shotgun pattern.

104 posted on 01/06/2013 10:48:17 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: ru4liberty
She has a .38 handgun ...

That's a good start. Adding another .38, or adding a shotgun should depend on her ability to handle it (whichever), and her preference.

Racking a shotgun just tells the bad guys where you are. It's a crock of BS that they would "take off running". If they are armed, they are more likely to start shooting in the direction of the sound.

105 posted on 01/06/2013 10:49:58 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: ru4liberty
Final thought about shotguns, after all that has been said.

A pump may intimidating and all when heard, but chambering a live round may not be nearly as smooth as cycling an empty action, especially under stress.

Not kidding. I am not small or weak, but was startled the first time I took my 870 pump out and failed to chamber the first round from not being forceful enough.

By no means a shotgun expert, but my humble suggestion for a lady not very familiar with handling one under stress might be a semiauto with only a simple bolt handle to cycle and then go for it.

To hell with warning sounds.............

106 posted on 01/06/2013 10:50:52 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: ctdonath2

I know. I have to educate people as to this all the time.

Inside home room-sized distances, most modern shotgun rounds haven’t even left the shot cup/buffer yet.

Most people here on FR clearly don’t actually shoot shotguns much. I do. I work on shotguns.

For someone who trains with them, shotguns are very fearsome weapons. For someone who doesn’t have the money to train with the weapon, a revolver is about as close as we can get to a firearm with a low-training-requirement for operation.

The advocates of semi-autos forget that some women (of ALL ages) lack the upper chest strength to rack the slides on some semi-autos. Oh, yes, and women? Don’t try chewing my buttocks on this issue. I’m relating my experience in helping lots of women choose a gun. I’ve seen women from 25 to 75 who can and can’t rack the slide on a semi-auto. I’ve seen some women who can handle a 1911 like it’s a toy. I’ve seen some women who have trouble pulling the DA trigger on a Smith revolver. I don’t try to force a gun onto a human. I find guns that work for the human requirements at hand.

What’s nice about a revolver? The user interface is simple. Pick it up, pull the trigger. Want another shot? Release the trigger and pull it again.

No external (or internal) safeties. five to seven rounds at hand in a simple, straightforward package that just sits there, waiting to be used.

Shotguns are fine if they’re semi-auto. This nonsense about “scaring people with the sound of a racking pump” is just stupid. Want to scare an intruder? Get a big dog. A German Shepard is the low end of the size I’d entertain. Our Kuvasz had a bark that would shake the house to it’s foundation. No one screwed around with that dog. I never had to do anything but hold him back.

But for older women on fixed income, a dog is a big expense. They have vet bills, food bills, they require walking in all types of weather, etc. They’re great companionship, but they’re expensive and they never quit being expensive.

A S&W Model 10 in .38 Special can be found from $250 on up, with holster wear and worn blueing - which won’t phase a homeowner in need of a quality, inexpensive home defense gun. Unlike new handguns in the $250 to $400 range, a S&W Model 10 is a quality piece, which can be repaired for basically forever. They work, they work well, and with minimal maintenance they will work forever.


107 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:29 PM PST by NVDave
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To: doorgunner69

Just leave it chambered. Point and shoot


108 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:45 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: rolling_stone

Illustrative, and the truth is if you hit someone out side of 25’ you’re gonna be splainin yerself to the judge.


109 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

You can easily set-up a double fire but it is illegal. One pull two shots.


110 posted on 01/06/2013 10:55:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Marcella

Is da bat named “Bella Louielagossi”?


111 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Fine, but it’s a huge mistake to think you will “spray”, and that “aiming isn’t needed” and that “there’s no aiming so there’s no need to practice”.


112 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:30 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: NVDave
The advocates of semi-autos forget that some women (of ALL ages) lack the upper chest strength to rack the slides on some semi-autos

You are correct.

113 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:35 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Alaska Wolf

And truth be told, if you fire 7 shots in the dark across our living room with a pistol, you’ll have that same 3 to 4 inch pattern of a shotgun. (if you are good at that moment)

So really, a shotgun across the room gives you the same basic accuracy potential someone with a pistol can achieve anyway.


114 posted on 01/06/2013 10:59:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I think that the small rimfire .22 mosquito is a good gun for those that want accuracy. It is easy to shoot and the sights are without question at 20ft. It is a Sig after all.


115 posted on 01/06/2013 11:02:56 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress

I have a Turkish shotgun like that LOL

Holy Cow!c It will let both barrels loose if the selector is not properly positioned.

Holy Cow!


116 posted on 01/06/2013 11:03:57 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Because, unlike the cerebral onanism of gun fetishists, not everyone goes around their house packing a long gun in one hand and going through life with only the open hand to do something.

A gun you have ALL THE TIME is worth a lot more than a gun you don’t. And no one other than someone wearing a sling is going to have a shotgun on them all the time.

Home invasions don’t happen at times convenient to the occupants of a house. People like the subject of the OP aren’t going to “live the tactical lifestyle.” She’s old(er) and she’s not about to start pie-ing the corners in her home, she’s not about to start waving a long arm around inside her dwelling. She’s an older lady. She wants something that is going to inconvenience her the least. If it’s inconvenient, it WILL be left in the bedroom. That’s the fact with the person in question.

This absurd idea that a shotgun is the “one size fits all” solution to home defense is some of the most specious nonsense in the gun community. Especially the idea that “you don’t have to aim.” The next is that the pump shotgun is the best. I have all manner of shotguns - and my choice if I’m using a shotgun for home defense would be a semi-auto. The semi-auto action soaks up a bunch of recoil and “it just works.” You don’t have to remember anything. Just take off the safety and start pulling the trigger.


117 posted on 01/06/2013 11:05:09 PM PST by NVDave
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The bastard is relentless at 30yds with practice. It is only practicable with hi-mag rounds.


118 posted on 01/06/2013 11:06:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ru4liberty

Not going to read all the replies but give you my thoughts.

That, “Oooh, they’ll run when you rack the slide of a shotgun”, is a crock. What you’ve just done is tell the, likely armed, bad guy where you are.

Long guns are cumbersome and unwieldy in a house. A pistol grip 20 gauge is an idea but she still may not be able to shoot it.

To be effective at stopping a bad guy your shotgun needs to be loaded with buckshot. At normal household distances the pattern of any buckshot is probably going to be under 3”. Pointing a shotgun in the general direction of the bad guy and pulling the trigger is likely just going to make a lot of noise. You STILL need to aim, even with a shot gun.

My advice to you, and her, is to get training on the gun she’s got and practice a lot with it.

Clearing a house or building is a dangerous and technical task. If you don’t know how to do it, and I don’t, then don’t try. Someone breaks into your house get in a defensive position and call 911. If the bad guy comes up on your position you have to shoot him. If you’re not sure you can do that then get rid of the gun.


119 posted on 01/06/2013 11:06:47 PM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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I am just glad that I discovered that with 7 1/2 bird shot LoL! Good O/U shotgun. it patterns great, same point of aim.


120 posted on 01/06/2013 11:07:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ru4liberty; Brad's Gramma
Time for me to reflect, since I'm sitting in a tub trying to dissolve Brad's Gramma's rocksalt from my wrinkled buttocks. Ouch! Who the hell knew she was an Olympic skeet shooter? Dang it!

As you can see, nobody has strong opinions on firearms on FR. My own is that the lady should take a class or two - most good ranges have women-only classes. It's a more comfortable environment - I don't know a lot of men who would try a gun because it was "cute" but I do know a few who would try one because it is awesomely macho. (Or at least so I've heard. Naturally my own circle of friends in Idaho is restricted to vegetarian bee-keeping Buddhists). It's a scary thing until it's not, and the point is getting to where it's not. Whatever that takes, I'm not particular.

Actual use of firearms in self-defense is lethal, or as Massad Ayoob put it, "In The Gravest Extreme". It is a very serious matter for responsible adults, and it takes a certain mental as well as physical preparation in order to make it not destroy lives on both sides of the firearm. Get her to some training is my best advice.

121 posted on 01/06/2013 11:08:12 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DesertRhino
Fine, but it’s a huge mistake to think you will “spray"

I never mentioned anything about "spraying" or that "aiming isn't needed" or "there's no need to practice". Chances of hitting a target are greatly increased by diameter of the projectile/projectiles. Missing by an 1/8 of an inch with a 230 grain bullet would be a hit with an open choke shotgun firing No. 7 1/2 or 8 shot at equal distances.

122 posted on 01/06/2013 11:08:34 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Yep.


123 posted on 01/06/2013 11:09:04 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: mylife

Dude


124 posted on 01/06/2013 11:09:36 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MtBaldy

Sage advice.


125 posted on 01/06/2013 11:09:36 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MtBaldy
Someone breaks into your house get in a defensive position and call 911. If the bad guy comes up on your position you have to shoot him.

It's about time someone said that!!! Thank you!

The idea of taking a gun into your dark home, LOOKING for the bad guy is just flat out stupid. You wait for him to come to YOU!! Use the bed as "leverage" if you will. Place your arms on it cuz by gosh by golly, the average person WILL be shaking...

126 posted on 01/06/2013 11:11:10 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: ru4liberty

.44 Mag with hollow points.


127 posted on 01/06/2013 11:11:52 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: eyedigress

That’s what I said.

LoL

The thing really patterns nicely though, but I always kinda cringe when I shoot it now.


128 posted on 01/06/2013 11:12:08 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: eyedigress
If you be speaking of pump, sure, but you still have to cycle the thing if a follow up shot is needed, and now you have to eject and load with great vigor.

I shitcanned my Mossberg 500 because is was so clunky and crude to cycle for followups. Could be done if you were concentrating on it, but geez, it was a workout. If I ever get another shotgun, it will be a Benelli or other tactical semiauto.

129 posted on 01/06/2013 11:12:17 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: mylife

I am talking about setting up the springs and other classified action behind the paddles to allow double fire.


130 posted on 01/06/2013 11:12:46 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ru4liberty
Looking back to that the OP said:

This question pertains to a diminutive woman in her mid-60s.

I would suggest to first look at her arms. If she has solid arms a shotgun is an option. However, if she has granny - flappy arms that look like sheets on a clothesline . . . a shottie will be too much to control.

Forget all the macho BS posted here. Have her work with an Instructor to find what works for her.

131 posted on 01/06/2013 11:13:05 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Billthedrill; ru4liberty
Get her to some training is my best advice.

Yep! One on one, if she can afford it!!!

132 posted on 01/06/2013 11:13:22 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Brad's Gramma

You one smart Grammy.


133 posted on 01/06/2013 11:13:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

Maverick 88 20 Gauge shotgun.

It’s made by Mossberg, but assembled in Mexico instead of the US like the Mossy 500 and costs less.

About $200.00 for brand new if you can find one as nearly every source I checked says “Out of Stock”

12 Gauge is about the same price, but again, “Out of Stock” in most cases.

Academy Sports, a chain of Sporting Goods stores in the SouthWest US has the Maverick 88 in 12 and 20 Gauge listed for $179.00 as well as a “Youth Model” in both 12 Gauge and 20 Gauge which might be easier for an older person to handle.

Inexpensive and basically a re-branded Mossberg 500.

In fact, they are now called a “Mossberg - Maverick 88”

Best value for a Shotgun IMO

And yes, at combat range (7 yards or less) the shot spread will only be about 5” in diameter.

The myth of point and shoot and you’ll hit your target is just that — a myth.


134 posted on 01/06/2013 11:13:47 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("Don't ya just hate waiting in line at the Post Office? - Just wait until ObamaCare is implemented.")
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To: mylife

Naaaaaaaaa........I just had great teachers in California! ;)

Oh. I failed to mention having a big ole bright flashlight right there with you. You can blind him for a second as you’re screaming for help *cough* AS you’re blowing him away.

Sez she who’s never been through it, thankfully!


135 posted on 01/06/2013 11:16:40 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: doorgunner69; mylife

Ha! Thanks. I have to run off to the big city in the morning.
Take care gentlemen and keep everybody alert. GodBless


136 posted on 01/06/2013 11:17:19 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Petruchio

Ta-da.

Nice to see I’m not the only one who read the OP.


137 posted on 01/06/2013 11:17:32 PM PST by NVDave
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To: mylife

“Is da bat named “Bella Louielagossi”?

The bat is “Cold Steel Brooklyn Smasher”. It has a heavy weight in the strike area and bones crush. A person wouldn’t survive if hit in the head with it.


138 posted on 01/06/2013 11:19:44 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I knew some smart cookies in Ca.


139 posted on 01/06/2013 11:20:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Marcella
We had better ban those. ☺
140 posted on 01/06/2013 11:21:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yep...they’re not ALL fruity. And thweet.


141 posted on 01/06/2013 11:22:08 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: NVDave
Home invasions don’t happen at times convenient to the occupants of a house

They most regularly happen at night when a loaded shotgun next to a bed would be just as convenient as a handgun.

This absurd idea that a shotgun is the “one size fits all” solution

Who the hell is making that assertion? The lady in question seems to be incapable of competently shooting a .38 revolver. I would suggest she try a small 20 gauge shotgun which a petite 60ish female should have little trouble handling with some training/practice.

PS Squeezing the trigger is much more effective than "pulling" it.

142 posted on 01/06/2013 11:22:21 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: doorgunner69; mylife

One more word of advice. Springs are available for anything. Don’t cut them yourself. Stay Safe


143 posted on 01/06/2013 11:22:24 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ru4liberty
get a blunderbuss

The blunderbuss was the automatic weapon of its day -It could kill lotsa people at close range with one shot.

"By the middle 19th century, the blunderbuss was considered obsolete and was replaced in military use by the carbine Though the latter was considered by some to be a poor replacement, and the blunderbuss still found use with civilians as a defensive firearm." wiki

144 posted on 01/06/2013 11:25:56 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Get she to a gunnery!)
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To: DesertRhino
And truth be told, if you fire 7 shots in the dark across our living room with a pistol, you’ll have that same 3 to 4 inch pattern of a shotgun. (if you are good at that moment)

Not if you fire the same number of shots from your shotgun.

145 posted on 01/06/2013 11:25:56 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: NVDave

Any Granny can handle a 410 loaded with buckshot over a .38 air weight
and 5, 30 cal balls coming at 1100 fps beats a .38 any day


146 posted on 01/06/2013 11:26:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ru4liberty

Too petite for a shotgun, I would guess... and especially a sawed off, which is about the best thing in the small confines of a house... swinging a full sized shotgun around might be troublesome. Better have her try them out before committing in that direction.

Keep the .38, and get her a big dog.


147 posted on 01/06/2013 11:29:18 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mylife

Up haer we ben usin shotgun RockSally on them revenooers since 1920`s-


148 posted on 01/06/2013 11:29:47 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Get she to a gunnery!)
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To: bunkerhill7

heyup


149 posted on 01/06/2013 11:32:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bunkerhill7

heyup.

Ya gittin too close LOL


150 posted on 01/06/2013 11:33:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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