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What firearm(s) would you recommend for home protection?
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Posted on 01/06/2013 9:42:01 PM PST by ru4liberty

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To: tumblindice

LOL! You should have been with me this last week talking with a guy that makes AR-15’s for a living. Oh My!


101 posted on 01/06/2013 10:45:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: tumblindice

I meant a rifle at that point. 16in


102 posted on 01/06/2013 10:47:07 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; ru4liberty
If she has a .38 she’s all set. Shotguns are heavy and unwieldy for an older woman.. She can easily carry the .38 and she can’t keep a shotgun under her pillow either!

Agreed. Maybe add a set of Crimson Trace grips to that wheelgun and teach her to use the laser dot to aim. Very effective at indoor, home-defense distances.

103 posted on 01/06/2013 10:48:06 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: DesertRhino
Across a normal living room, you will be talking a 3 to 4 inch pattern.

As opposed to a maximum of 1/2 inch diameter bullet from a handgun. I like the odds of the shotgun pattern.

104 posted on 01/06/2013 10:48:17 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: ru4liberty
She has a .38 handgun ...

That's a good start. Adding another .38, or adding a shotgun should depend on her ability to handle it (whichever), and her preference.

Racking a shotgun just tells the bad guys where you are. It's a crock of BS that they would "take off running". If they are armed, they are more likely to start shooting in the direction of the sound.

105 posted on 01/06/2013 10:49:58 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: ru4liberty
Final thought about shotguns, after all that has been said.

A pump may intimidating and all when heard, but chambering a live round may not be nearly as smooth as cycling an empty action, especially under stress.

Not kidding. I am not small or weak, but was startled the first time I took my 870 pump out and failed to chamber the first round from not being forceful enough.

By no means a shotgun expert, but my humble suggestion for a lady not very familiar with handling one under stress might be a semiauto with only a simple bolt handle to cycle and then go for it.

To hell with warning sounds.............

106 posted on 01/06/2013 10:50:52 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: ctdonath2

I know. I have to educate people as to this all the time.

Inside home room-sized distances, most modern shotgun rounds haven’t even left the shot cup/buffer yet.

Most people here on FR clearly don’t actually shoot shotguns much. I do. I work on shotguns.

For someone who trains with them, shotguns are very fearsome weapons. For someone who doesn’t have the money to train with the weapon, a revolver is about as close as we can get to a firearm with a low-training-requirement for operation.

The advocates of semi-autos forget that some women (of ALL ages) lack the upper chest strength to rack the slides on some semi-autos. Oh, yes, and women? Don’t try chewing my buttocks on this issue. I’m relating my experience in helping lots of women choose a gun. I’ve seen women from 25 to 75 who can and can’t rack the slide on a semi-auto. I’ve seen some women who can handle a 1911 like it’s a toy. I’ve seen some women who have trouble pulling the DA trigger on a Smith revolver. I don’t try to force a gun onto a human. I find guns that work for the human requirements at hand.

What’s nice about a revolver? The user interface is simple. Pick it up, pull the trigger. Want another shot? Release the trigger and pull it again.

No external (or internal) safeties. five to seven rounds at hand in a simple, straightforward package that just sits there, waiting to be used.

Shotguns are fine if they’re semi-auto. This nonsense about “scaring people with the sound of a racking pump” is just stupid. Want to scare an intruder? Get a big dog. A German Shepard is the low end of the size I’d entertain. Our Kuvasz had a bark that would shake the house to it’s foundation. No one screwed around with that dog. I never had to do anything but hold him back.

But for older women on fixed income, a dog is a big expense. They have vet bills, food bills, they require walking in all types of weather, etc. They’re great companionship, but they’re expensive and they never quit being expensive.

A S&W Model 10 in .38 Special can be found from $250 on up, with holster wear and worn blueing - which won’t phase a homeowner in need of a quality, inexpensive home defense gun. Unlike new handguns in the $250 to $400 range, a S&W Model 10 is a quality piece, which can be repaired for basically forever. They work, they work well, and with minimal maintenance they will work forever.


107 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:29 PM PST by NVDave
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To: doorgunner69

Just leave it chambered. Point and shoot


108 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:45 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: rolling_stone

Illustrative, and the truth is if you hit someone out side of 25’ you’re gonna be splainin yerself to the judge.


109 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

You can easily set-up a double fire but it is illegal. One pull two shots.


110 posted on 01/06/2013 10:55:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Marcella

Is da bat named “Bella Louielagossi”?


111 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Fine, but it’s a huge mistake to think you will “spray”, and that “aiming isn’t needed” and that “there’s no aiming so there’s no need to practice”.


112 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:30 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: NVDave
The advocates of semi-autos forget that some women (of ALL ages) lack the upper chest strength to rack the slides on some semi-autos

You are correct.

113 posted on 01/06/2013 10:56:35 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Alaska Wolf

And truth be told, if you fire 7 shots in the dark across our living room with a pistol, you’ll have that same 3 to 4 inch pattern of a shotgun. (if you are good at that moment)

So really, a shotgun across the room gives you the same basic accuracy potential someone with a pistol can achieve anyway.


114 posted on 01/06/2013 10:59:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I think that the small rimfire .22 mosquito is a good gun for those that want accuracy. It is easy to shoot and the sights are without question at 20ft. It is a Sig after all.


115 posted on 01/06/2013 11:02:56 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress

I have a Turkish shotgun like that LOL

Holy Cow!c It will let both barrels loose if the selector is not properly positioned.

Holy Cow!


116 posted on 01/06/2013 11:03:57 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Because, unlike the cerebral onanism of gun fetishists, not everyone goes around their house packing a long gun in one hand and going through life with only the open hand to do something.

A gun you have ALL THE TIME is worth a lot more than a gun you don’t. And no one other than someone wearing a sling is going to have a shotgun on them all the time.

Home invasions don’t happen at times convenient to the occupants of a house. People like the subject of the OP aren’t going to “live the tactical lifestyle.” She’s old(er) and she’s not about to start pie-ing the corners in her home, she’s not about to start waving a long arm around inside her dwelling. She’s an older lady. She wants something that is going to inconvenience her the least. If it’s inconvenient, it WILL be left in the bedroom. That’s the fact with the person in question.

This absurd idea that a shotgun is the “one size fits all” solution to home defense is some of the most specious nonsense in the gun community. Especially the idea that “you don’t have to aim.” The next is that the pump shotgun is the best. I have all manner of shotguns - and my choice if I’m using a shotgun for home defense would be a semi-auto. The semi-auto action soaks up a bunch of recoil and “it just works.” You don’t have to remember anything. Just take off the safety and start pulling the trigger.


117 posted on 01/06/2013 11:05:09 PM PST by NVDave
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The bastard is relentless at 30yds with practice. It is only practicable with hi-mag rounds.


118 posted on 01/06/2013 11:06:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: ru4liberty

Not going to read all the replies but give you my thoughts.

That, “Oooh, they’ll run when you rack the slide of a shotgun”, is a crock. What you’ve just done is tell the, likely armed, bad guy where you are.

Long guns are cumbersome and unwieldy in a house. A pistol grip 20 gauge is an idea but she still may not be able to shoot it.

To be effective at stopping a bad guy your shotgun needs to be loaded with buckshot. At normal household distances the pattern of any buckshot is probably going to be under 3”. Pointing a shotgun in the general direction of the bad guy and pulling the trigger is likely just going to make a lot of noise. You STILL need to aim, even with a shot gun.

My advice to you, and her, is to get training on the gun she’s got and practice a lot with it.

Clearing a house or building is a dangerous and technical task. If you don’t know how to do it, and I don’t, then don’t try. Someone breaks into your house get in a defensive position and call 911. If the bad guy comes up on your position you have to shoot him. If you’re not sure you can do that then get rid of the gun.


119 posted on 01/06/2013 11:06:47 PM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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I am just glad that I discovered that with 7 1/2 bird shot LoL! Good O/U shotgun. it patterns great, same point of aim.


120 posted on 01/06/2013 11:07:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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