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What firearm(s) would you recommend for home protection?
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Posted on 01/06/2013 9:42:01 PM PST by ru4liberty

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To: UnwashedPeasant

Why do you suggest a small handgun for HD?

If you don’t have to carry it concealed, the bigger the better, no?


201 posted on 01/07/2013 3:58:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: carbonarc
Another nugget passed to me was, the barrel of a shotgun preceding a homeowner into a room is a good grab point for an alert burglar.

OK, here's another nugget for you: clearing a building room to room is work for professionals, not homeowners.

202 posted on 01/07/2013 4:06:59 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: ru4liberty

Shotgun definately.
20Ga if the user is small, 12Ga otherwise.
I recently read an article written by a coroner about the best home defense weapon. His pick was shotgun also. Not likely to harm neighbors, difficult to miss the target and the shotgun has the most close range knock down power of all personal weapons.


203 posted on 01/07/2013 4:07:41 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
12 gauge Remington 870. Just the sound of that being pumped in the dark will

Surrender your principal advantages, which are concealment and preplanned field of fire.

204 posted on 01/07/2013 4:19:00 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: mylife
12 gauge pump shotgun with the shortest barrel that your State allows. If you live in a secure home with distant neighbors then use 00 Buck but if you live in a tight neighborhood or an apartment... try some #6 Turkey loads.

LLS

205 posted on 01/07/2013 4:19:52 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: NVDave
What’s nice about a revolver? The user interface is simple. Pick it up, pull the trigger. Want another shot? Release the trigger and pull it again.

Best advice I've seen on the entire thread.

Most if not all home defense weapons are in the hands of people who aren't formally trained and who practice infrequently at best. Last thing you'll be able to do under duress and scared shitless is remember how to do things like release the action on a pump shotgun, release the slide safety on a pistol, etc. A "pick it up, point it and pull the trigger" is what will work best for most people. If it's not loaded and ready to fire, you may as well have a rock or a baseball bat.

Also, no better reference than Box of Truth to understand what you are shooting. Many myths laid to rest here from "point and spray" to using a .410 for defense.

206 posted on 01/07/2013 4:28:17 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: IamConservative
#206: Yes stacked on top of yes.

Mr. niteowl77

207 posted on 01/07/2013 4:40:37 AM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: ru4liberty
This may sound odd, but I’m a big proponent of a .223 rifle. Easy to shoot, accurate and the rounds tend to break up when the hit something, so they aren’t a big problem with over-penetration.........

Sorry but I con’t concure. The .223 is designed to “wound” not “kill”. If it were me or the perp, I would choose to do the later. A wounded perp can still do damage to you. A shotgun slug or several OO Buckshot will do it real good and at close range, leave a very large hole, ending up more than likely, fatal.


208 posted on 01/07/2013 4:47:19 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: HerrBlucher
Shotgun. No need for accuracy, just point and spray.

That is complete BS. At seven yards, the spread for 00 buckshot is about six inches or less. Using the sights to aim is extremely important at close range.

209 posted on 01/07/2013 4:53:11 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Jack Hydrazine

She could get the Beretta Xtrema2 12ga. semi-auto shotgun and has minimal recoil (can be fired with one hand)...... It can fire 12 rounds in less than two seconds. Check out the video......”

Great shotgun, but remember they were talking on a budget?....The cheapest I found was 750.00 online, not really a budget gun.....


210 posted on 01/07/2013 5:29:16 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: mylife

Great recommendation...
I’m just 60 and have a 20 gauge pump action....
Love it.
For personal, concealed carry protection, will get something like a .38
This old broad ain’t gunna be victimized!


211 posted on 01/07/2013 5:53:01 AM PST by matginzac
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To: SJSAMPLE

“....for an elderly woman....”
You do realize, don’t you, that 60 is the new 40?


212 posted on 01/07/2013 5:56:35 AM PST by matginzac
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To: mylife

I would normally say a 12 gauge shotgun...but given her age and frailty, I would say a .410 shotgun...pump.....loaded with self defense rounds.

I think a 20 gauge would be too much recoil for her...and a 12 gauge would likely break a shoulder or arm.

I will say this....a good sized revolver shooting .357 magnum rounds will have less recoil than a small one shooting .38 special ones. My model 66 S&W has very little recoil with .357 mag rounds. It’s extremely manageable.


213 posted on 01/07/2013 5:59:01 AM PST by RoadieFan
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To: MediaMole

“This may sound odd, but I’m a big proponent of a .223 rifle.”

You’re right - it does sound odd. A .223 is OK for outdoors use but fire it inside a room and you would not be able to hear anything for several hours. The muzzle blast would be a factor indoors as well.


214 posted on 01/07/2013 6:45:29 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: ru4liberty
The "best" gun is one you are familiar and comfortable with. A .45 has a hell of a lot more stopping power than a .38, but if you don't practice with it, and are comfortable with it, it might as well be a club.

If she's interested in trying out different guns, take her to a range that rents them, and try 'em out.

215 posted on 01/07/2013 6:51:45 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: ru4liberty

The lady in question is not going to be getting younger and her strength will deteriorate over the years as happens to us all.

Shot guns - a .410 would be fine. A youth model would probably fit her well and I think they run about $85.00 at Walmart. A .410 round at 15 feet is quite lethal. At some point, howver she will not be able to use it well becuase of advancing age. Just the way life is. According to my EMT friends, many perps are taken down with single shot shotguns and I doubt whether a semi auto or pump would make much difference.

Current pistol - .38 works well with hollowpoints or Glazer rounds and if she likes it she should stick with it.

The best answer is using a layered defense.

1. Good locks on doors
2. A dog that will bark
3. Her .38

In my own home the perps won’t hear a sound. They will see a bright light and then nothingness. Sounds will identify your position and give up the element of surprise and I am not willing to give up those advantages.


216 posted on 01/07/2013 7:10:25 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: ru4liberty

I would recommend a small pocket revolver of about 38 caliber that can be with you easily at all times, that requires little preparation such as loading and chambering a round. When awakened at night your pistol should be available, loaded, and quickly in firing mode. The idea that you can keep your weapon locked in a gun safe and also be prepared for a home invasion is wishful thinking.


217 posted on 01/07/2013 7:18:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ru4liberty
She may consider supplementing he current .38 with a Kimber Pepper BlasterII.
218 posted on 01/07/2013 7:19:11 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: jonrick46

Laser sights are OK. I think they’re a great training aid to help teach people that no one can hold a gun “rock steady” on an aiming point.

For short-range, rapid-aiming situations, I’ve yet to see any training or advice equal that given me by Jim Cirillo: Learn where you’re pointing the gun. Humans can point at stuff rapidly. Get a set of grips on a revolver that helps you “snap-point” the gun as fast as you could point your finger at something across the room. Stuff the gun out there. Pull the trigger.

Cirillo used to do this exercise with people at 7 yard ranges: He’s tape over the rear sights (especially on semi-autos) with electrical tape. He’d teach people just to learn how to see that their weapon was canted up/down/left/right when they “pointed it out there” in front of them at the target.

When people did this, people who couldn’t group inside a foot at 7 yards were suddenly throwing down groups you could easily cover with a fist. Too many people get hung up on perfect sight alignment at close range, when the rear outline of the gun and your ability to naturally point will get you a shot on center of mass (within a couple inches) right the heck now.

So laser sights: In a dark room, I worry about two things: One, they lead back to you. It’s like the old military adage: “Tracer fire works both ways.” The second thing is that people start becoming fixated on the little red dot instead of the situation. But for some people, especially people who would need to put on their glasses to see a set of sights, I think that they’re a big win.


219 posted on 01/07/2013 7:19:25 AM PST by NVDave
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To: ru4liberty

Nothing wrong with a .38 revolver if you know how to use it.


220 posted on 01/07/2013 7:21:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ru4liberty

The .38 is sufficient, provided she is trained and practiced in its use, and willing to use it without hesitation at the appropriate time.


221 posted on 01/07/2013 7:51:44 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ru4liberty

It appears to me that the people with whom she has been talking have spent too much time thinking about Zombie attacks.

A .38 should be sufficient. Has been for 100 years.


222 posted on 01/07/2013 8:23:37 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: mylife

Yes, it’s about indoors, hence my point: at distances where shotgun spread is enough to be relevant, you’re outdoors. Shot spread is only useful on delicate targets like birds; as we’ve seen, it has little effect even on lawyers.

The one good thing about a shotgun indoors is its the closest thing to a wieldable cannon, making a ragged three-quarter-inch hole - with the added benefit of little subsequent penetration.


223 posted on 01/07/2013 8:56:17 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: mylife

Concur. Debate about whether or not it should be loaded with bird shot or buck shot, but a short barreled shotgun remains the best home protection weapon.


224 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:27 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Brad's Gramma

“It’s about time someone said that!!! Thank you!”

Welcome.

I had to think about this a lot when my wife’s kids were little. We lived in a large two story house with the master suite off of the living room. The kids were upstairs in 3 bedrooms. The stairs were on the other side of the living room from the master by the front door. The other entrance was through sliders in the kitchen to the pool. It wasn’t a bad neighborhood and we had good locks and a huge Doberman but still if someone broke in I had to go find him. When things went bump in the night I grabbed a Glock G22, Maglite, and the Doberman and went to check it out. Luckily it was never a bad guy.


225 posted on 01/07/2013 10:07:34 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Jim Noble
Surrender your principal advantages, which are concealment and preplanned field of fire.

But you trade it for stopping power. No one who has been hit with a shotgun blast indoors will ever return fire.

Despite what someone posted above, it is also useful for scaring off a prowler lurking in the yard who hasn't made contact with the house yet, be it a local kid, a lost drunk or a serious thug. Open a door or window a safe distance from the trespasser and give the 870 a firm, slow pump. An old man I met years ago who lived in a really bad inner city neighborhood told me that it has worked dozens of times for him and his neighbors.

226 posted on 01/07/2013 10:28:52 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ru4liberty

Since you are getting so few replies....

Many good options have been suggested, but some excellent choices might not have been as prominently mentioned, so here goes:

1. Old reliable: Glock model 17. Light recoil, easy to use, 17+1 capacity with one magazine. Hang a small surefire light on the front rail, and it’s very hard to beat. Even better, they are widely available used, (or at least they were before everyone started buying everything in sight a few weeks ago). Super-reliable, and indifferent to neglect.

2. No, I’m not crazy with this. But the AR-15 platform (again with a light) can be an excellent choice for amyone, especially smaller-framed people. Very light felt recoil, 28+1 magazine capacity (yes, I never load 30, for reliability reasons). One great advantage over the 9mm is the terminal performance of most standard rounds: many tests show much less over-penetration using .223 ammunition vs. 9mm. IE, it’s bad for the bad guy, but safer for anyone who might be downrange (like maybe the dog).

If you have room ie, maneuvering space for a shotgun, you have room to deploy the AR.

Just my 2c


227 posted on 01/07/2013 11:42:20 AM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: mylife
Everyone recommends that gun to women and they hate it,

Not in my experience. Mrs. Hugin loves my old Charter Arms Undercover. Though she grew up around guns, she is not a big gun person. She wants something small, lightweight that she can slip in her pocket, and she doesn't have to worry about whether there's a round in the chamber or releasing the safety. Nor is she worried about accuracy or noise. Self-denfense in the home would be at point blank range, and who cares about noise and recoil (although it's a lot less than a 12 ga would be) when your life is on the line?

228 posted on 01/07/2013 4:34:23 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: mylife

BTW, I didn’t see anything in the post to suggest “The gal obviously is NOT comfortable with the .38 snubby”. In fact, it doesn’t even say it’s a snub nose. Anyway, it sounds to me like she went to the range, and a bunch of gun guys convinced her a 38 spcl was inadequate, and she needs a shotgun. The drawbacks of relying on a long gun inside your home have been gone into enough. I’ll just say, a shotgun is unsurpassed for stopping someone who is trying to break into your home, but it’s not ideal if someone is already inside. And unlike a small handgun, it’s not really practical to carry around on your property (eg. going to the mailbox, answering your door, etc.).


229 posted on 01/07/2013 4:48:49 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Alaska Wolf
The lady in question seems to be incapable of competently shooting a .38 revolver.

Where does the op say anything like that? It only says that she owns a 38, and several people told her a shotgun would be the better. Obviously a lot of folks agree here, and a lot disagree, including me.

230 posted on 01/07/2013 5:10:29 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin
Where does the op say anything like that?

The op stated that "She has a .38 handgun but has been told by a few people (shooting range owner, RTC instructor's cousin, co-worker, etc.)that the best thing to have is a shotgun."

Why would they all state that if indeed the lady was a competent handgun shooter?

231 posted on 01/07/2013 5:20:11 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Jim Noble
If you don’t have to carry it concealed, the bigger the better, no?

Not really, for reasons discussed copiously in this thread. Something you can slip in your pocket is a lot more likely to be on you. Honestly, do you carry a shotgun every time you answer the door, work around the yard, or go to the mailbox?

232 posted on 01/07/2013 5:23:19 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Why would they all state that if indeed the lady was a competent handgun shooter?

Just read this thread. At least half the people here advocate that a shotgun is the "best" home defense gun, and plenty dismiss the .38 as inadequate. I think it has more to do with their biases than her ability. Not that your average gun enthusiast is opinionated or anything. ;~)

Most home defense shootings are at point blank range, say less than 10 feet. If you can point at it, you can hit it.

233 posted on 01/07/2013 5:39:26 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin
plenty dismiss the .38 as inadequate

Anything is better than nothing.

234 posted on 01/07/2013 5:53:34 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Jim Noble
"Why do you suggest a small handgun for HD? If you don’t have to carry it concealed, the bigger the better, no?

I am no expert, but here is my reasoning for suggesting a small handgun:

  1. My suggestion is primarily intended for housewife types, not necessarily for warriors. It is important not to have too much gun or omething to big for the hands.
  2. Easier to manage in tight spaces. (Some have said that a shotgun is too easy for the perp to grab.) Useful if hiding in a small closet, for example. Someone mentioned a long gun being awkward when answering the door.
  3. Can be managed one-handed, so you can use the other hand for a phone, etc.
  4. Easy to keep nearby without getting in the way. I think few people would keep a rifle or shotgun under the pillow, for example.
  5. Minimal kick, making it easier to use and control.
  6. A 9mm with hollow points makes a big hole, and the gun I suggested has 13 of these bullets.
  7. A 9mm or .22 semi-automatic will probably have more bullets than a bigger caliber gun.
  8. If a 9mm has too much of a kick for the user, then so will everything else (I think), except a .22, which is also very effective at killing and disabling.
  9. 9mm is good enough for police use. I've read that police departments will sometimes choose the .40 over the 9mm only because it is better shooting through windshields before hitting the target.
  10. Popular models like the Glock and M&P are very dependable. Compared to a pump shotgun, for example.
  11. The ammo is relatively cheap and easy to get.
  12. For extra stopping power, the 9mm can use +p ammo.
  13. As a bonus, you can conceal carry it easily. Even if you never intended to do so, you might have to do it sometime in an emergency.
  14. If you do carry concealed, you will not have to train on two separate weapons.

235 posted on 01/07/2013 11:35:55 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant
"If you don’t have to carry it concealed, the bigger the better, no?"

You got me thinking. A bigger size version of the same gun might have less recoil (because of the added mass) and would likely have more bullets. So you do have a really good point!

236 posted on 01/08/2013 12:22:27 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: TexasRedeye
Its a matter of training. I have a lady friend who is 4'11 and is 95 pounds wringing wet and she can handle a 12 gauge just fine. My rule of thumb is get as much gun as you can handle. Proper training is a must and I recommended such in private e-mail.

To your point of over penetration you might be right there might be a better choice regarding shot in certain situations. but good old 00 Buck works every time. :)

Regards.

237 posted on 01/11/2013 10:01:05 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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