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Posted on 01/06/2013 9:42:01 PM PST by ru4liberty
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A 38 revolver is fine if that is what she is comfortable with. She can load one or two shot shells if she want to get his attention without killing him.
In the news today was just such a scenario where a lady shot a perp 6 times hitting him in the face and neck 5 times with a 38. I’m surprised the guy lived but so far he is. One really lucky bad guy.
I used to think that as well. Thinking further into it, I'd rather not give my position away and give that second or so away to an intruder. It should be ready to fire when you encounter the intruder.
That said, I agree that a shotgun, with an 18" barrel, and #4 buckshot is the best firearm for home defense. At this person's age, depending on her health and strength, maybe she could handle a 20 gauge more easily than a 12 gauge.
BTW. These kind of questions on FR always end up with tons of responses. IBOHR (In Before One Hundred Replies)
A good salesman at Academy recommended the Mossburg 20 gauge shotgun for me as it is light but effective and was $100+. I am 5’5” and 125 pounds. I held the shotgun and it was fine. I have a Remington 870 shotgun and it is too heavy for me.
There is nothing wrong with the .38 if she can shoot it well and is comforable with it.
But if the shooting range owner has seen her shoot and says “Get a shotgun,” that might be an indication she doesn’t shoot it well. If these other people have seen her shoot, and say the same thing, that’s an indication the .38 is not working well for her.
In that case, the 20-gauge pump with buckshot is probably the way to go. It doesn’t “spray” anything at across-the-living room distances and she does have to aim, but aiming a long gun is much easier than a handgun. She should practice with light target loads before trying buckshot.
What does she want to do?
(If she stays with the .38, make sure she uses modern defensive loads from a major manufacturer.)
No offense, but you may want to rethink that. What I have seen from shooting one, and from other info, is that at inside house ranges, the shotgun load might as well be solid.
There is no "spray". Even the old timers that tried to crate that with the Blunderbuss found the shot just plain refused to "spray". Oh well, there are always grenades for those encounters that you do not have time to aim. You still have to aim the damn thing, shotgun or handgun.
A flame thrower now, that is a different animal from my one experience firing one. Just be sure you are on the right side of the damn thing, and God help your house.........But "spray" you do have.
I read that. The 38 airweight is a fine weapon. One add I would give. That perp would be dead if she had a mosquito. JMHO. 22lr hollow points a given.
I know 60 year old women who trap shoot, hunt upland game and ducks with shotguns. A open choke shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon.
She already has the right gun, IMHO.
That’s what I thought.
I have a Gen4 Glock 23 to accompany my Gen 3 Glock 22.
I’m going to buy another Glock 19 to replace the one stolen this summer.
My instructor taught me that, although the sound of a pump shotgun being stroked may make a burglar wet his pants, the sound of it being short stroked and jamming will bring a smile to his face. If she decides on a shotgun, she should keep a round in the chamber and not rely on sound effects. Another nugget passed to me was, the barrel of a shotgun preceding a homeowner into a room is a good grab point for an alert burglar. Two strikes against shotguns as far as I am concerned. If she is competant with her .38, have her get some +P ammo for it. In .38 cal I heartily recommend the S&W Model 10 or 64, Military and Police .38 with fat barrel. It has great balance, and great followup shot ability due to the barrel. Shotguns are good for intimidating people who are at a distance, but I don’t care for them in a dark house. My two cents.
I'm not a strong advocate for use with a small framed person, or with someone who won't spend a fair amount of time practicing with the weapon. Double racking, especially on lower cost weapons, can make that weapon useless in an emergency situation.
If she is familiar with and comfortable with the 38, I whole heartedly echo the advice of another in this thread - get a second one to make two points of safety in the home. Thought should also be given to the placement of those firearms. Keeping them in drawers puts them in the hands of criminals if they ever enter when she's not there or aware.
My mother had a holster built into her chair; to retrieve the firearm, it was just simply a reach down next to the cushion and she'd be ready for action. A second holster was attached to the frame of the bed between the bed and the nightstand, where she kept her other handgun. We had tried her with the shotgun, and she was comfortable enough shooting it, but carrying it from room to room, she felt, was too much for her.
While my mother had the use of a leathercrafter to handle her specific needs, many paddle holsters will work well in these two locations and provide easy and safe access, and be very unlikely to be places searched by thieves of any stripe. A heavy application of Velcro can ensure that the holster will stay put when the weapon is drawn.
Always, the biggest recommendation I have for home defense is: Never count on anything you're not willing to be familiar with and use in case of an emergency. The worst possible outcome is arming your assailant.
Remington 870 pump 12 gage shotgun. Express model can be bought at Walmart for less then $300.
(Running like hell for cover...) ;-)
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12 gauge pump shotgun...
or just a recording of the snickt-snackt sound would probably work just as well
Here we go again. More folklore than fact.
With an open bore, at 30 feet you'll get about a 9" pattern.
At room distance of around 15' you'll maybe get a 2" - 3" pattern.
Bastard always wanted to kill the landlord. Now you know. To hell with Gunby! :^)
You don’t really cock a shotgun anymore, unless you’re into cowboy action shooting and you have a ‘stagecoach’ gun with hammers. CZ makes a nice one, if that’s what you really want.
‘Pump’ shotguns require that you “rack the slide” producing a distinctive sound. This will have its greatest effect for you upon an intruder if you can learn to do it one-handed, then say in a loud voice, “I’m hungry for man-flesh!”
That’s just what you need IMHO. 7 1/2 bird shot no over penetration.
Dang it. That smarts.
I am interested in high quality low caliber anything. The power handguns are getting expensive. My next foray will be the .308 arena of defense.
Shot guns looked appealing, except for the mobility/handling issues. For the situations where such a firearm would be deployed, dinking around with a shot gun is simply impractical for reasons others have already described.
A handgun has advantages of mobility, size, and simple handling in situations where you don't wanna have to go to a closet, rummage around for the shotgun, load it, and then deal with it in the dark. A handgun can be loaded and deployed very closeby but out of sight.
Disadvantages to a handgun? Depending on the power of the weapon, you (1) may harm someone in a different room, or even the next door neighbor (!), or (2) you may need to have more than usual aiming ability.
We fianlly settled on Taurus' Judge -- a revolver (simple, simple, simple) that shoots .410 shotgun shells. If you get the 3-inch cartridge model, it will hold 3- and 5-slug .410 shotgun shells, or buckshot, or birdshot, or 0.45 hollowpoint long-colt cartridges. That's a lot of variety!
A friend (teaches gun classes for concealed-carry licenses here in Texas) has two of these, and he loads several different shells in each revolver -- so the first shot is birdshot, the second a 5-slug 410 shell, the third a hollow-point .45 LC round.
Biggest problem for your question is cost; with the current hysteria,they're running around $450 to $500 at a gun show.
And, as othrs have said, if she alrady has a .38 why does she need anything else?
By the way, Winchester makes a nasty round for The Judge: a round for the 2.5 inch cartridge that shoots three plated disks AND 12 bb-shot; a larger round for the 3-inch cartridge that expels four plated disks AND 16 bb-shot. Neither is much fun to meet on the wrong end of a barrell (I've just heard this and seen paper-target shot patterns).
All I have ever fired is a long range rifle...only good for hunting and military combat. So I will defer to your knowledge of shot guns. But I keep reading how the buckshot from a shotgun does not need accurate aiming.
Even more important than a gun in the house is a good dog who barks loudly at any strange noise. That gives you heads up time to get out of bed and get the gun ready. Last thing I would want is to be surprised by an intruder, especially if I was a lone female in the house.
You are thinking clearly.
That is the largest image of Deputy Fife ever witnessed on FR.
Yes but barney is bigger than life LOL!
However, if there are others in the home regularly there is a chance they may be in the same room or near an attacker when she needs to shoot. In that case she may want something with a little more precision. Some form of handgun is probably a good alternative. 9mm gets a bad rap sometimes for lacking the punch of say 40 S&W, or 45 ACP. However that added punch comes at a cost - in ammo and recoil. For home defense size and concealed carry isn't a factor, so a full sized pistol would be great. A little heavier, but they absorb more recoil, higher capacity magazines...
I recently saw an interview with a reformed burglar and he said, a loud barking dog kept him away every time from that house.
You can have a howitzer at home, but if the intruder surprises you in sleep, he has the upper hand.
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Can she operate the .38 competently?
Then she doesn’t need anything else. Make sure the revolver is in good repair, make sure she has good quality ammo. If she has problems with the trigger pull, take it to a ‘smith and ask for an ‘action job’ - which involves smoothing out the internals of the revolver to smooth the double action pull, and if we’re talking of a S&W, the DA trigger pull can be lightened from about 12# to 9#.
Here’s why I think a shotgun is utter nonsense for this person:
Shotguns aren’t that portable. They kick. They don’t move well in tight places.
An older lady could put a .38 in the pocket of her housecoat and have it on here everywhere she goes in the house. That’s not going to happen with a shotty, period. If she’s answering the door and has to deal with someone trying to get in, I’ll wager that she can’t manage the door and a shotgun at the same time.
People need to remember the rules to a gunfight:
Rule 1: Have a gun.
Rule 2: Have a gun that you can get on target in the required amount of time.
Rule 3. Re-read Rules 1 & 2.
A .38 in her housecoat pocket beats a shotgun left propped in the corner of her bedroom when trouble comes calling.
You’re doing a FINE “kiss-up” here, Dude....mighty fine. ;)
The gal obviously is NOT comfortable with the .38 snubby and I don’t blame her.
Everyone recommends that gun to women and they hate it, particularly the airweight.
Recoil is atrocious and accuracy is dubious at best.
The gal needs a shotgun for home defense.
Keep your gun loaded unless you have useless idiots running around. My .40 and .223 carbine are loaded and chambered. My little mosquito is also ready with .22 CCI mini-mags. The 370 takes care if i’m still groggy.
Little shi-thead bust my door or window he may get an entire buffet of fun.
She could rent and try out different calibers at a good gun range. Then pick the most powerful gun she can handle...
Well, we do have the barking dog -- three of them, in fact, so perhaps we've gone in for overkill. Still, while the dogs bark, they are NOT guard dogs. Anyone offering them a treat gets a big doggie welcome.
We've relied on pepper spray -- the really nasty brand used by police forces -- and it has its own advantages and disadvantages. I don't really relish using it against someone inside a house ... blowback, and general pollution, dontcha know.
With the pepper spray AND the Judge I've got some options. The dogs help, I'm sure. I just can't depend on them if the bad guy is determined, hopped up on crack, or whatever.
20 Gauge H&R Pardner Pump Youth Shotgun 3" Chamber Synthetic Stock $234.99
Barrel Length :21" Capacity :4 + 1 Chamber :3" Length :40" Weight :6 1/2 lbs
Pretty much much comes down to the same thing: at short range, the shotgun is essentially a rifle, but a devastating one, unlike a .223 round that might well just zip on through and not hit anything vital. You have to aim. And that barrel is an excellent handle if the bad guy gets too close.
Why would a person leave a shotgun propped in the corner when trouble comes calling?
For downstairs, I have a Ruger 38 special with P, loaded with hollow points and it has a red laser to spot the target and not miss it.
Downstairs, I also have a pink pepper spray gun, yes it is a gun, and it has a laser and shoots severe paper spray 20 feet. I got pink so it wouldn't look like a bad gun, but it is. It was not expensive when speaking of the cost of regular guns.
I have a defensive bat close to my front door. This is a true defensive bat and a blow with that crushes skulls and breaks limbs, it feels like a lethal weapon when you pick it up. If you are interested in that bat, freepmail me and I'll tell you the name, it's on Amazon.
Most homes are broken in by kicking in the front door. I have a heavy duty Buddybar and it sits under the door knob to reinforce the door. It would take some time to keep kicking that door to finally open it and I would know he was there by that time and he is dead if that door gives way. There is also an alarm stuck under that door and if it moves at all, that alarm screams.
No one can get through the one front window I have. There is an alarm in that window that is also a bar and a bad guy would see in big red letters, ALARM, and it also keeps the window from opening. I also put special locks on there to prevent the window opening and they can only be removed with an Allen wrench. There is also a vibration alarm on that window and if that device senses a vibration of that window that alarm screams.
I suggest a bad guy not try to get in my house.
If she can have a dog-—fore warned is fore armed.....otherwise, upgrade her ammo to glasser or other high performance or prefragmented rounds.......and take madam OUT for some practice.
A .308 “low caliber” handgun?
Superman, it’s a real honor to have you with us tonight!
“Shotgun. No need for accuracy, just point and spray.”
You couldn’t be more mistaken. A standard spread on a cylinder bore is about one inch per yard. Across a normal living room, you will be talking a 3 to 4 inch pattern. Even down a 20 foot hall you still will only get a 7 inch pattern. You had better point it properly.
Mistake number two is anyone who is conditioned to believe, and fully expecting, the the racking of the slide to cause instant obedience. If you make that poor tactical choice, your -expectation- should be that they will laugh and walk towards you. You better be ready, and point properly.
Some sureno will laugh and come kill you if you are too amazed for a moment that he didn’t flee when you racked it.
More better to be chambered, and fire.
Waiting till you have a target to rack it is a bad time to find out that you had some kind of feed stoppage. They are rare, but do indeed happen.
And yes, 20 Ga,, buckshot.
That should do it. Getting back to the point.