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Rand Paul: Less Aid to Israel Would Increase Its Sovereignty
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 07 Jan 2013 05:34 PM | Stephen Feller

Posted on 01/07/2013 5:49:38 PM PST by Olog-hai

If financial aid to Israel were slowly decreased over time, it would increase the Jewish state’s sovereignty because they wouldn’t need to get permission from the U.S. every time they need to defend themselves against aggressive neighbors, Sen. Rand Paul said on Monday.

Paul said that while he knows the idea of decreasing any kind of foreign aid is a “minority opinion” in Washington, it will be a lot harder for America to help others “if we are out of money,” reported Fox News. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 113th; antizionism; dumb; endallforeignaid; foreignaid; idiocy; isolationism; isolationist; israel; kentucky; paulbots; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaultruthfile; stupidparty
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To: Alberta's Child

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/22676/Default.aspx

...Yarden Gazit of the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies noted that the bulk of the US aid to Israel is for defense purposes, and that according to the stipulations of that aid, Israel must spend 75 percent of the money on US-made weapons and defense systems.

The American aid is also part of a bundle that includes military aid to Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, countries over which Israel must maintain a qualitative military edge. So, the US provides Israel with the funds to keep its military on top, but at the same time constantly upgrades the surrounding Arab armies to make sure Israel must continuously buy new American weapons.

Gazit explained that the $3 billion from the US is not enough to cover that expense. For example, “every dollar granted to Egypt requires Israel to spend between 1.6 and 2.1 dollars to maintain the balance of power. As a result, every dollar granted to Israel costs Israel between 1.06 and 1.39 dollars.”

By forcing Israel to buy most of its military equipment in the US, Washington is also saddling the Israeli defense industry with an annual loss of $750 million. And because Israel doesn’t buy the systems made by its own defense industry, that hurts the ability of those Israeli contractors to sell their wares abroad...

Also:

http://viewfrommasada.com/2011/05/25/why-american-aid-to-israel-is-bad-for-israel-and-america/


51 posted on 01/07/2013 7:27:10 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: American in Israel; TADSLOS; svcw; GraceG; Sarah Barracuda
"The Kentucky senator said that first, aid would have to be pulled from questionably friendly countries such as Egypt and Pakistan before considering how and when to start cutting the flow of money to Israel."

Did ya'll not read the article?

52 posted on 01/07/2013 7:43:45 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin

No.
I know what he has said in the past and I know what his dad has said , hence my statement.


53 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:37 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Vladzred

Rand is smarter than his dad and he seems less nuttier too.


54 posted on 01/07/2013 8:19:59 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: ZULU
Why is it that we get such loose cannons and people devoid of faith in the core principles they allege to follow in our ranks

Pardon me, when did borrowing money on the backs of U.S. taxpayers to give to another country become a 'core principle' of conservatives?

Paul is in favor of ending welfare, at home and abroad. I thought that was a conservative principle.

55 posted on 01/07/2013 8:43:49 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: American in Israel
Reducing aid to Israel and not reducing aid to muslim countries is to stab Israel in the back. My comment is not knee jerk, it is serious. STOP giveing money and weapons to Muslims.

Try reading the article sometime:

"The Kentucky senator said that first, aid would have to be pulled from questionably friendly countries such as Egypt and Pakistan before considering how and when to start cutting the flow of money to Israel."

56 posted on 01/07/2013 8:49:21 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: EternalVigilance
His first target upon arrival in DC was the defense budget, which is constitutional, and absolutely necessary.

His first target is a globe spanning empire that we can't afford.

If you want to pay for Germany's defense, or South Korea's defense, or Kuwait's defense, or build an army in Iraq or Afghanistan, reach into your own damn pocket and use your own damn credit card.

This empire isn't necessary, it is a drain on us. It doesn't make us more free, it gets us dragged into more wars. We fight to keep kings on foreign thrones, with borders drawn nearly 100 years ago by dying European Colonial Empires. Supporting that policy is buffoonery we can't afford. The Japanese and Chinese loan us the money to keep their oil cheap and laugh at us while we bleed and pay the interest forever.

57 posted on 01/07/2013 8:58:01 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Whatever. It's telling that his first targets are defense and Israel.

"Yes, the cost is high, but the price of neglect would be infinitely higher..."

-- Ronald Reagan

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

58 posted on 01/07/2013 10:30:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Si vis pacem, para bellum.')
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zyydnb0WXco#!


59 posted on 01/07/2013 10:34:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Si vis pacem, para bellum.')
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To: Hugin

Ya got me. My apologies to Rand Paul. However, I still think it’s a bad idea to pull monetary assistance from a strong ally like Israel. If anything, I might transfer some of the funding from belligerent terror states to Israel to send a message, if it were in my power to do so.


60 posted on 01/07/2013 11:24:11 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: EternalVigilance

“...nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.” - GW

You want to keep American soldiers, who swear an oath to defend the Constitution, as slaves to foreign kings, foreign governments, and pile endless debt upon the American taxpayer.
The billions we ship overseas for interest payment on those debts far exceeds the pork barrel arms sales to the various and sundry governments of the world we make. You have been deluded, and consequently you’re pushing for the Republic to be deluged in debt it cannot bear.
Your thoughtless response - whatever.
Keep up the good work, your ignorance, compounded by those who share it and lap it up uncritically, is doing more to destroy this country than OBL could have hoped to accomplish.


61 posted on 01/07/2013 11:53:50 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: svcw
Just like dear old dad, fund islamicfasist but screw Israel.

If you read the whole article, that's not what he says.

FIRST pull aid from Egypt/Pakistan etc before you even start talking about reducing aid to Israel.

Israel shouldn't have to ask us permission to defend themselves.

Not sure I see anything in there to disagree with.

62 posted on 01/08/2013 1:26:44 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Olog-hai

So Sen. Paul says we should first eliminate aid to Israel’s enemies before reducing aid to Israel. Arm Israel to the teeth while also eliminating to all Islamist countries? I’m cool with that.

I agree with his point that if they take our money, they also take the strings that are attached to it, and they need to be independently able to defend themselves. If, as some have stated in this thread, Netanyahu would also like to have our aid to them reduced so that they can be more independant, I’m cool with that too, as long as the whole world knows that we are completely on Israel’s side.


63 posted on 01/08/2013 1:40:18 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

How come Israel is the only one that has to abide with the alleged “strings attached” to the aid but none of the Islamist countries have to? See the problem with the argument?


64 posted on 01/08/2013 4:58:57 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Gunslingr3
You want to keep American soldiers, who swear an oath to defend the Constitution, as slaves to foreign kings, foreign governments, and pile endless debt upon the American taxpayer.

No I don't. You're making that up.

I simply don't want to gut our military and throw our most important allies to the hyenas.

Unlike Rand Paul or anyone else in leadership in the Republican Party apparently, I understand that our budget and debt woes are founded in unconstitutional spending, programs and agencies, not our national defense.

"Republicans" these days are overt New Deal Democrats, basically.

65 posted on 01/08/2013 7:40:46 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Si vis pacem, para bellum.')
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To: Gunslingr3

I support that too.

But I also understand that in some cases, you need to provide military assistance and aid to strategic military partners, especially in sensitive areas of the world.

You want to end foreign welfare? Get us the hell out of the UN and get the UN out of America. Stop spending money on social welfare programs overseas - like Bush II’s millions to Africa to fight AIDS, or Bush I’s food aid to Somalian maniacs, or Clinton’s military assistance to the Serbians in the Balkans or Obama’s military aid to the Egyptians, Libyan Rebels and Syrian rebels.

But remember that military alliances with real allies, not people like the Egyptians and Saudis, is beneficial to US, which is why I support it.

The two Pauls have unrealistic ideas about foreign policy. America isn’t Switzerland.


66 posted on 01/08/2013 7:48:33 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: American in Israel
You want to help Israel, don’t give money or weapons to Muslim’s.

Fine with me ... I'm for cutting out ALL (and I do mean ALL) foreign aid. The vast majority goes to third-world freaks that hate us. Cut it all ... gain for the American taxpayers, net gain for our allies ... only the muzzies and other scum really lose. Eff 'em.

67 posted on 01/08/2013 7:52:16 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

YOUR FAT ASS “CHRISTIANS” VOTED TO PUT THIS MORON IN THE WH.

SCREW YOU, FAT ASS (translating your name, FAT ASS).


68 posted on 01/08/2013 7:54:08 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: SJackson

I agree with the whole concept of cutting aid. It’s down to $3bil a year, and that’s $3bil too many imho. One less lever to use on us.


69 posted on 01/08/2013 8:09:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Yehuda
You're an idiot.

First, gluteus maximus is the medical term for one of the butt muscles. It doesn't mean "fat ass." What a moron.

Second, I didn't vote for Obama.

Pi$$ off, fool.

70 posted on 01/08/2013 8:41:07 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Olog-hai

Less GOP $$$ to the Pauls would increase their libertarian self-reliance. No “straight party vote” ballot option either.


71 posted on 01/08/2013 8:53:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“The gluteus maximus is the largest and most superficial of the three gluteal muscles. It makes up a large portion of the shape and appearance of the buttocks .”

Oh you’re right, its not fat, ITS JUST SUPERFICIAL *SS MEAT, like your comments.

Maybe you need remedial classes in READING, moron, since I din’t say YOU voted for Obama, I said MOST OF YOUR FELLOW GENTILES DID, based on your repeated whining, (daily? weekly) about the jinos voting for Obama.

STUFF IT, SUPERFICIAL BUTT FACE.


72 posted on 01/08/2013 9:50:20 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

Eat this, you greasy little dweeb.


73 posted on 01/08/2013 10:10:13 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: ArrogantBustard

I agree with you, we cannot play charity when we have no money to give. Until the deficit is fixed, we should not be shipping cash overseas.


74 posted on 01/08/2013 1:21:45 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I agree completely. You'll note that unlike his father, or any advocates of cutting aid to Israel, he conditions it on eliminating aid to not only Israel's enemies, but to countries not supportive of the US. Which if you base it on UN votes, is just about all of them other than Israel.

Of course the two dirty secrets, foreign aid isn't a significant budget issue, and the expensive aid is expensed to the defense budget.

75 posted on 01/08/2013 4:18:48 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Yehuda; Gluteus Maximus

Hate to intrude with facts but a had the Jewish vote gone 70% Romney rather than Obama, not a single electoral vote would have changed. This is neither a Muslim nor Hindu nor Buddist nation, Obama was elected both times by Christians. The only election I’m aware of where it would have been significant was 2000, where a less than an additional 1% of the Jewish vote in Florida would have given us President Gore


76 posted on 01/08/2013 4:25:10 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Same goes for Lend-Lease in WWII.

What a complete a##hole, a muzzie-loving skinhead, just like his idiot father.

Thanks Olog-hai.


77 posted on 01/08/2013 5:33:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
What a complete a##hole, a muzzie-loving skinhead, just like his idiot father.

Well said.

78 posted on 01/08/2013 5:38:08 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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(Ron) Paul: No such thing as an independent Israel
(Iran’s State TV- Press TV Interview)
[also, like Chuck Hagel, states his opposition to sanctions on Iran]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2769549/posts

[Ron Paul calls US troops “Occupiers”]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2417411/posts

Ron Paul Denies Saying He Wouldn’t Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid in Pakistan — But Here’s the Video
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2834019/posts

Ron Paul:Israel’s actions are atrocious, we need to stop supporting them!(video, not ghostwriter)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2832740/posts

Video: Ron Paul denounces Israel’s flotilla raid, of course
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2527405/posts

(Anti-Israel) Ron Paul: Blame Israel First
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2820235/posts

Ron Paul: “Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel” (Watch Video)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2825592/posts

Ron Paul Throws Israel Under the Bus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2526794/posts

Ron Paul: Israel can take care of itself
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2811304/posts

Paul: My policy benefits Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1923292/posts

Ron Paul’s Son.. Won’t Comment on Father’s Past Comparison of Gaza to “Concentration Camp”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2833634/posts

Rand Paul: My father is misunderstood on Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2828374/posts


79 posted on 01/08/2013 6:00:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Eaker

Thanks Eaker.


80 posted on 01/08/2013 7:32:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SJackson

Good points, probably go over the head of the “BLAME THE JOOS” crowd here. (Thank God it’s only a small minority).


81 posted on 01/09/2013 12:03:05 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Olog-hai
I see no one bothered to read the article.

People's unfounded love of all things Israel has blinded them from reality. Israel isn't the bastion of freedom you think it to be.

Oh, and before I get called an anti-semite (which is the exact same thing as a leftist accusing everyone of being racist) I am PRO-Israel when if comes to rival muslim nations.
82 posted on 01/09/2013 7:57:35 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
Sure you're pro-Israel.

Nobody here denies Israel’s problem with liberals, if that's what you mean by not being a “bastion of freedom”. But if otherwise, then please spare us the doubletalk—especially since Israel by comparison to the Islamic nations around it screaming for its demise is indeed a bastion of freedom.

So next time you speak of bastions of freedom, make sure you know what an actual bastion of captivity is.
83 posted on 01/09/2013 8:02:28 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; SunkenCiv

This is an old position of the Israeli right.
We should not be funding them or the Arabs. And the Arabs depend on the money more than Israel. In fact, by some estimates, we end up hurting the Israelis as they need to spend more on their military to match our funding of potential enemies.


84 posted on 01/09/2013 11:58:56 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

If we were the only ones doing that, it’d be a rather valid argument. Others are funding Israel’s enemies; they’ve been doing it ever since the beginning of the state of Israel too. (Incidentally, which segment of the “right”, the so-called “right-wing” anti-Zionist types?)


85 posted on 01/09/2013 1:21:33 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
If we were the only ones doing that, it’d be a rather valid argument. Others are funding Israel’s enemies; they’ve been doing it ever since the beginning of the state of Israel too. (Incidentally, which segment of the “right”, the so-called “right-wing” anti-Zionist types?)
No one else is giving Egypt over a billion in foreign aid or hundreds of millions to Jordan. We are also giving Hezbollah-run Lebanon armored personnel carriers.
By the Israeli Right, I mean members of Herut, Likud, and more nationalist parties. Netanyahu called for an end to aid.
86 posted on 01/09/2013 3:57:26 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
I don’t know where you get your information from, but the European Union gave Egypt $6½ billion in November of last year. EU aid to the Palestinians is in the hundreds of millions. And their aid to Israel by contrast is minuscule, although they do have free trade with Israel and (this does not pass the smell test) have offered Israel membership in the EU (this would mean Israel gives up its independence).
87 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:25 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: rmlew

The Arabs should not get dime one, unless it is used to recruit and train an anti-PLO insurgency to whittle down Hamas, Fatah, and the various other descendants and followers of the Pedophile. Arab “leaders” from the terrorist groups who travel outside of Gaza or the West Bank should be vanished off the planet until they stop trying to play heads of state and stay put. And then reach retirement age (euphemism).


88 posted on 01/09/2013 5:05:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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