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Obama to Use Executive Order on Gun Control
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 01/09/2013 7:36:18 PM PST by Kaslin

Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhofascism; bloodoftyrants; democrats; guncontrol; guns; obama; secondamendment; tyranny; wewillnotcomply; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Kaslin
I don't want anyone to make any assumptions about what I am asking but...

Is there anything being organized to fight back against this? So far, I haven't seen any movement from anyone and the only real defensive stuff that has made even partly mainstream was the Alex Jones tirade... hardly the example we wish to present. I mean, he has a clear understanding of the second amendment, but he's a conspiracy hound and sounds crazy to most people.

I've been sitting around bitching for years but this is the last straw for me. I'm ready to take some vacation time if I have to... are there ANY organizations coordinating anything that is worthwhile to join in? We need to show our numbers and show it loudly... where is the that voice?

I don't know about you guys, but this is the line in the sand for me. I need to do something besides keep calling my rep and senator, they are nothing more than part of the problem. There HAS to be a way to inject common sense and constitution into this one-sided attack and I have a driving urge to participate and do something. I honestly feel that this could be the last stand for freedom for the individual. If we lose this one, we will become servants to the 51% and I simply can't sit in my chair here and allow it to happen.

The only thing that scares these dumb bastards is the threat of losing their seat in the next election, how can we make a show of numbers so large that they don't dare allow this debauchery to continue? Can someone help direct me to something besides my NRA membership dues and the phone number to my representative?

51 posted on 01/09/2013 8:42:28 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Kaslin

How about a TEA party march on GOP headquarters AND John Boehner’s office if he does NOT start impeachment proceedings (its the speakers duty to call for them, isn’t it?)

I think Bohner needs a swift kick in the nads to get them started


52 posted on 01/09/2013 8:45:38 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, dammed lies, statistics, and democrap talking points.)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, Barry...I got yer “executive order” hangin’ right heah.


54 posted on 01/09/2013 8:53:29 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Post Toasties

Perhaps another back room-Boehner deal with Obama where we get to ‘keep’ our guns if Boehner raises the debt ceiling.

I can already see it.


55 posted on 01/09/2013 8:58:24 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: familyop
Video - Biden: Obama Considering “Executive Order” To Deal with Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNjxzFgKcHY&feature=player_embedded

 

56 posted on 01/09/2013 9:07:02 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: prov1813man
Sorry, but we have already surrendered. How else would this gang get elected in the first place ? Let alone re elected. For all the bluster, there will be no pushback that amounts to much. A few will be made examples of, that’s it. That a majority voted for this and they talk of changing the constitution at will, and with impunity, tells all we need to know about how far we have fallen. America is gone.

And if government upheld and defended the Constitution -then what?

Is America defined by government? Do Americans get their rights from government?

America is an idea premised upon FAITH and established by individual sacrifice of blood and treasure.

Your America is gone when you surrender -not a second sooner.

57 posted on 01/09/2013 9:08:43 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Kaslin


58 posted on 01/09/2013 9:14:21 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

how do you get the pattern on the glass, or is that an insert or protective cap under the flip ups.


59 posted on 01/09/2013 9:17:41 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Post Toasties

While true. Who exactly is going to stop him?


60 posted on 01/09/2013 9:21:34 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: going hot

That’s a Killflash (threaded in like a camera lens filter). DuraCoat in an airbrush, using a digital camo stencil kit.


61 posted on 01/09/2013 9:23:52 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: eeriegeno

why wait? he’s already failed.

The crier of the house will do no such thing. Obama knows it.


62 posted on 01/09/2013 9:24:05 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: adorno

They said the same thing about Obamacare and it reached the highest court in the land..

NEVER trust the courts to return the proper verdict.


63 posted on 01/09/2013 9:26:01 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: The Great RJ
Could this be the start of one party rule in the US?

We already have it. The Pubbies have rolled over for every illegal EO this despot has written.

There is no stopping what is coming. The only unknown is will the people resist? Free men or slaves? Obama thinks the latter. I believe that the majority of the people are willing to be slaves, they have essentially said so already.

64 posted on 01/09/2013 9:28:28 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Charles Martel

Does it take away from clarity or focus, or amount of light gathering? Would it interfere with mil dot reticle dots? I like the fact that there is no glare possible.


65 posted on 01/09/2013 9:31:43 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Charles Martel

Just googled same. Interesting. thanks.


66 posted on 01/09/2013 9:33:33 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

I’ve never noticed any problems seeing the reticle. From what I can tell, the design positions one of the mesh’s openings at the dead center point, so optically you just look right through it. YMMV, based on the exit pupil size of any given scope.


67 posted on 01/09/2013 9:43:11 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kaslin

what kind of leader even threatens the people they are supposed to be responsible to with an unconstitutional edict? only a tyrant and his court jester would entertain such nonsense much less do it. Where is the GOP slamming them back? cowards they should be saying try it and we will fight you tooth and nail-not a peep.


68 posted on 01/09/2013 9:44:09 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Obama has already attempted 2 Reichstag fires.

1. Fast and Furious

2. Sandy Hook

69 posted on 01/09/2013 9:46:26 PM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: Prole

Don’t forget Benghazi.


70 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:17 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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Never forget that the Constitution is what makes Congress, the Supreme Court and the Executive branch possible. Ignore the Constitution and all of them cease to exist. They might want to reconsider pissing in their own Wheaties.


71 posted on 01/09/2013 10:09:02 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: FunkyZero

Stand by. Stand ready.


72 posted on 01/09/2013 10:10:19 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: Prole

You nailed it. He and Soros had those poor children killed like the bumps in the road in Benghazi. Homocical, demonic Commie bastards.

No time to wait.


73 posted on 01/09/2013 10:16:30 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: GBA

I’ll take “B” for 200 Alex.

It seemed that the entire nation was caught up in a willing blindness and deception this time around - and I speak of the supporters of either final candidate.


74 posted on 01/09/2013 10:47:08 PM PST by Apogee
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To: Kaslin

He didn’t waste any time after the election. He is now going to go from the most divisive president in recent history to the most hated.

This gun ban push was starting to worry me, but now it seems this admin is going so over the top, so extreme and so polarizing in their partisan agenda driven desires that they are starting to look like they are exploiting the tragedy from the start. They are starting to look like they have to hurry before the blood dries. Urgency to exploit the rash reaction of the emotional feelings of the school tragedy, instead of cool logic and reason.

So much for “I’m not going to come after your guns”, they are now exposed as the hypocritical liars that they are.

They are now going to do it to themselves.

This administration is going down.

Hard.


75 posted on 01/09/2013 10:48:42 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Kaslin
Victims of CRIMINAL Violence are now Victims of GUN Violence, who would have imagined?

Are the Guns that injured the Victims in Jail, or are the Criminals that injured the Victims in Jail?

Apparently the “Victims of Gun Violence” are the most recent reincarnation of Useful Idiots being played by the Mulatto Marxist in the White Hut.

76 posted on 01/09/2013 10:57:00 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: going hot
“...how do you get the pattern on the glass, or is that an insert or protective cap under the flip ups.”

That gizmo is called a Killflash filter. It resembles a honeycomb and installs in the objective end of the rifle scope. It is specifically designed yo prevent light reflections off the optics. A reflection off the optics at the wrong time and place can give away the shooter's position.

77 posted on 01/09/2013 10:58:09 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Doomonyou
Obama has won everything he ever tried.

He has never been stopped.

We watch as our country is "transformed" before our eyes: Gas prices doubled, one in four kids on food stamps, national "health care", free abortions, gays in military, gay marriage, legalized marijuana.


78 posted on 01/09/2013 11:05:37 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: FunkyZero
My best guess is that once an edict is passed, through an EO or through the Legislature, the “People” by the Millions will not comply.

I know I won’t, been there, done that when I “registered” my Assault Weapon when the CA Ban went into effect. I regretted that decision and ended up selling the Rifle to an out of State buyer to get my name taken off the Assault Weapon Owner list.

Be it Registration, Voluntary Surrender or whatever stupid Hitleresque idea comes out of it. I think a “shot heard round the world” is entirely possible with the division being created by the Tyrants, something I would have never imagined would happen in my lifetime.

79 posted on 01/09/2013 11:14:36 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: SandRat

Unfortunately, you may not be able to ignore it.

Think about taxes on cigarettes or coal-fired generating plants. Could we ignore those?

If he slaps MASSIVE taxes on anything “gun” (guns, gun parts, brass, bullets, powder, even holsters and cleaning supplies), it will shut down the gun industry.


80 posted on 01/09/2013 11:22:08 PM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
“Pitiful Earthling! Who can stop me now!”-Obama the Merciless

"Atop a mountain of skulls, I ruled from a throne of blood!!" -- Vigo / Ghostbusters II

Yeah, well, Molwn labe, big stuff.

81 posted on 01/09/2013 11:28:34 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: MasterGunner01

I have a shade, but this looks promising. Midway has a large assortment for different fittings and budgets. need to experiment.


82 posted on 01/09/2013 11:46:19 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Kickass Conservative
with the division being created by the Tyrants, ...

Good point. For every Obama we can see, there are at least two more in the shadows. I've sensed the presence of a secret Politburo behind Obama ever since his orcs popped that massive Obamacare bill in world-record time, over 2000 pages of it, with dozens of issues worked out and scores of booby-traps, secret passages, and hidden trapdoors prefab and built-in. That document took years to write. Who wrote it, and when?

Bet it was someone working for George Soros.

In any case, Barky is the front man. He isn't the steer calling the play, or the cannon guiding the team. He's more a stall, someone who gets in the victim's face and holds his attention while the damage is done elsewhere. Seen this way, Obama is just one member of a criminal wrecking crew who are stripping the country of its wealth and power and the People of their freedom and dignity.

83 posted on 01/10/2013 12:03:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: wac3rd
He and Soros had those poor children killed like the bumps in the road in Benghazi.

I don't believe that for a second. Exploited it, yes, but arranged it? Hell, no.

He wasn't ready to move after the Aurora killings, but he's decided he's ready now.

84 posted on 01/10/2013 12:10:01 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Mr. K
.....if he does NOT start impeachment proceedings (its the speakers duty to call for them, isn’t it?)

No. Any member of Congress can introduce a bill of impeachment, and a bill of impeachment always has the floor and is in order. The member can't be ruled out of order and told to sit down and shut up. He will be heard.

A fully-aroused representative who stands his ground, has an empty bladder and intravenous drip support (or better, a tag-team of like-minded representatives) can ramrod his bill all the way to a vote.

85 posted on 01/10/2013 12:17:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Apogee
It seemed that the entire nation was caught up in a willing blindness and deception this time around - and I speak of the supporters of either final candidate.

Interestingly, I and about 1% of all voters voted for Gary Johnson -- this is actually incredible given (1) the lower amount of money the Libertarian Party spent in advertisement, (2) the restrictions placed on third-parties by both the Democratic and Republican parties... the reason for this is, I think, that Johnson has proven himself a capable leader (Gov of New Mexico; re-elected even when the state was solidly Democrat) and actually distinguishable from Obamney.

87 posted on 01/10/2013 12:42:20 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kaslin
"if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking

If the incarceration of this creature results in the preservation of just
one freedom, it's worth doing.


88 posted on 01/10/2013 2:04:21 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: All

MUST READ——FR POSTED

It’s Not “Game Over”— It’s Time for the GOP to Counterattack
Townhall.com | January 9, 2013 | Kurt Schlichter/ Posted by Kaslin

The current state of the GOP brings to mind the surviving Marines in “Aliens,” with no shortage of demoralized hacks lamenting their inability to resist by channeling Private Hudson: “Maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events but we just got our a**** kicked, pal!” ——

So what? So we took a hit on the Fiscal Cliff. Stand up, brush off and get back into the fight. This is no time for self-pity, no time for weakness. Every combat leader knows that when you take a hit, you regroup, reorganize, and prepare to counterattack.

—snip—

And guns – talk about a golden opportunity to defeat Obama while also helping set the stage for a Democrat wipe-out in 2014! Obama and his progressive pals are giddy with the idea that Newtown will let them jam through a whole slew of Second Amendment-trashing measures before everyone starts thinking again. If Obama’s actually foolish enough to proceed – and I am not sure he is – he’s setting himself up for a huge loss.

GOP, remember Napoleon’s admonition to never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Let Obama try and force the red state Democrat senators to come out against guns. Let the Democrats tear themselves up while we watch and gobble popcorn.

Heck, we should egg them on – like by trying to force a Senate vote on, say, a provision which reaffirms the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for the protection of their families and communities and directs that all federal law shall be interpreted toward preserving and protecting that right. Let’s see how all those Democrats paying lip service to the Second Amendment feel about voting on that.

And if some bill finally limps out of the Senate, hopefully without a single GOP vote, Speaker Boehner should mimic Harry Reid’s fiscal cliff antics and just let it die. No debate. No discussion. No vote. Obama’s dream of disarming his opponents, paid for with the careers of several sitting Democrat senators, will die in the hopper.It will be a thing of beauty.

Remember, this is an existential crisis for our country. Now is not the time to “govern;” it’s the time to defeat Obama and his radical left-wing agenda. No, you can’t say that out loud – simpering wimps will shudder and fret. Just do it, even as you talk about working together and compromising and hugging and all that goo-goo baloney. Republican, quit shouting, “Game over, man! Game over!”

Counterattack, seize the initiative, and start winning again. Play for keeps. Stop channeling Hudson and start channeling Ripley. It’s time to figuratively nuke the site from orbit – it’s the only way to be sure.


89 posted on 01/10/2013 3:42:59 AM PST by Liz
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To: Post Toasties

EOs have the force of law. Only two have ever been overturned by the courts. Congress may over ride them, but there aren’t enough voted for that.

Cops and military will follow orders. They will go door to door if needed.
There will be a ban, and it is probable there will be a grab. The GOP is powerless to stop it.


90 posted on 01/10/2013 3:46:30 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: FunkyZero

We are all waiting until the first shot is fired against Fort Sumter (so to speak).

There is nothing we can do until we all know that to try to free our country politically is useless. Our political system abandoned the Constitution long ago. We have to be positive that we have been actually attacked from within and that means actual gun confiscation.

When that actually starts the people will rise in unison and CW-II will actually begin.


91 posted on 01/10/2013 4:18:19 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Kaslin

How dare these freaking corrupt politicians try to take the property of law abiding gun owners for the actions of madmen that should never have been walking around free. By what rationale do they think it is legitimate to punish us and deprive us of our rights for something we didnt do? Tar and feathering would be too good for them.


92 posted on 01/10/2013 4:51:45 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: yldstrk

Defund any effort to grab the guns. Congress, are you listening?


93 posted on 01/10/2013 6:03:56 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: yldstrk

“......we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm’s way if we act responsibly.”

Since WHEn has this administration acted responsible? They are nothing more than opportunists reacting to a crisis.


94 posted on 01/10/2013 6:06:43 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: FunkyZero

“are there ANY organizations coordinating anything that is worthwhile to join in? We need to show our numbers and show it loudly... where is the that voice?”

About 25 states have state-sponsored militias. For example, South Carolina has two active militia battalions. Anyone can join. If you can’t join, you can donate money to pay for training and equipment. This is NOT the national guard; its separate from that and under the control of the governor and the state. The state militia and the national guard would be called out to defend against an invasion of the state by enemy forces. Legislation has been introduced to arrest and disarm federal bureuacrats.


95 posted on 01/10/2013 6:13:56 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: RavenATB
If a sitting elected official can modify your Constitutional rights with the stroke of a pen, you have no immutable rights.

We do if we prosecute and jail the bastard. But since hands are tied by the Washington elite
there is not much by way of law that will happen. In the end it's the voters
responsibility to protect our liberty's.

99-Weeks of unemployment keeps people complacent towards what Washington is doing.
If the duration were 20-weeks people would be up in arms over the spending and golf.

96 posted on 01/10/2013 6:33:58 AM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
The Sheeple have been conditioned and we have at least 47% or more people that pay no taxes, have all sorts if benefits and those people will not rock the boat or care.
The rest of us who do care are going to find it difficult to effect change in a Political Environment that has become grossly corrupted.
We have evolved since W.W. II into that which we fought a war to stop, a country that is now a Police State and one becoming more Tyrannous every day and no one seems to care or able to stop it.
97 posted on 01/10/2013 6:45:00 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: rolling_stone
With respect to Boehner, he was conservative for about an hour before his re-election as Speaker.
All the new Congress critters are being sequestered in the sandbox and told what to do, or else.
98 posted on 01/10/2013 6:48:40 AM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans)
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To: Kaslin
I question exactly how far any President can go with executive orders.
I would like to see a study of how many have ever been issued and what they were.
I believe we might find that until Franklin Roosevelt became President Executive orders were probably used sparingly but of course under Roosevelt that power was greatly expanded, in many instances Unconstitutionally I believe.
Nixon even used a EO to form the EPA.
Obama certainly had pushed the envelope further than most in recent memory and that just might be the Tripping Point if used in trying to push a Gun Control Agenda.
Also someone pointed out in the Gun Control Act of 1968 that buried in that bill was a provision for the Secretary of the Treasury to ban any and all imported guns if it did not fit the description of one for sport. Does anyone not think that the new nominee Jack Lew would not use this?
We are indeed in perilous times.
99 posted on 01/10/2013 6:54:08 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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