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Republican Establishment Declares War on GOP Voters [Scott Rasmussen]
Rasmussen Reports ^ | Friday, January 11, 2013 | Scott Rasmussen

Posted on 01/13/2013 7:33:08 AM PST by EternalVigilance

Official Washington hailed the deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff as a significant bipartisan accomplishment. However, voters around the country viewed the deal in very partisan terms: Seven out of 10 Democrats approved of it, while seven...of 10 Republicans disapproved.

Just a few days after reaching that agreement, an inside-the-Beltway publication reported another area of bipartisan agreement...while Washington Democrats have always viewed GOP voters as a problem, Washington Republicans "in many a post-election soul-searching session" have come to agree. More precisely, the article said the party's Election 2012 failures have "brought forth one principal conclusion from establishment Republicans: They have a primary problem."

As seen from the halls of power, the problem is that Republican voters think it's OK to replace incumbent senators and congressman who don't represent the views of their constituents. In 2012, for example, Republican voters in Indiana dumped longtime Sen. Richard Lugar in a primary battle.

This infuriated establishment Republicans for two reasons. First, because they liked Lugar and the way he worked. Second, because the replacement candidate was flawed and allowed Democrats to win what should have been a safe Republican seat.

So, according to Politico, the Washington team is gearing up a new effort to protect incumbents and limit the ability of Republican voters to successfully challenge establishment candidates.

That makes sense to those whose sole goal is winning a majority in Congress rather than changing the course of government policy. Seen from the outside, though, it sounds like the professional politicians are saying that the only way to win is to pick more candidates like the insiders. Hearing that message, the reaction of many Republican and conservative voters is, "Why bother?"

That's why more than two-thirds of Republican voters believe GOP officials in Washington have lost touch with the party's base.

(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2013polls; congress; gop; gope; primaries
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To: Candor7
The GOP is dead. People like Karl Rove killed it.

I think more and more that you might be right. The Bush family did damage to the image of the republican party that it might never fully recover from.

51 posted on 01/13/2013 8:36:28 AM PST by jpl (The government spent another half a million bucks in the time it just took you to read this tagline.)
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To: McGavin999

Conservatives in New Jersey? Gimme a break.


52 posted on 01/13/2013 8:36:28 AM PST by Salvey
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To: EternalVigilance

What silly nonsense.

The GOP establishment is on the verge of being taken over by conservatives and everyone here wants to get mad and leave!

Stupid. Cowardly.


53 posted on 01/13/2013 8:37:20 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: jpl
They've turned the Republican Party into the political version of The Washington Generals


54 posted on 01/13/2013 8:38:30 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jpl

GWB and crew killed off the GOP.


55 posted on 01/13/2013 8:39:17 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: mrsmith
The GOP establishment is on the verge of being taken over by conservatives and everyone here wants to get mad and leave!

Did you read the article?

56 posted on 01/13/2013 8:39:45 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: Timber Rattler

Understood, Timber.

Let ‘em try.

What they want to do, from my reading of the Politico article, is to throw lots of money behind their best GOP-e champions. Seriously?

If the people are furious enough to “primary out” long-time GOP elites — and we surely are — then they are insane to try and stop it. Money that would be better spent exposing the Social Democrats and their corruption will instead be used to coddle someone that the GOP base despises? This while Tea Party and conservative candidates are rejected and discouraged? Ridiculous.

The Stupid Party indeed. Time for more and bigger changes in the GOP.


57 posted on 01/13/2013 8:40:29 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: Theodore R.

The biased MSM has so poisoned the Bush brand that many independents probably wouldn’t vote for Jebbie. But just wait another two years and see the NYT, LA times, WaPo, ABCCBSNBCCNN and PMSNBC spout the mantra that Jebbie would be the only Republican who could win—just like they did with McVain and Mitt.


58 posted on 01/13/2013 8:42:54 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: COBOL2Java

Yeah, I read it the first couple times it was posted too.
I don’t think our commenters have read it. LOL!

The reason the establishment is doing this to defend itself is because we’re taking over. Yeah: WE’RE WINNING!

Of course, some commenters may not think it’s good for conservatives to take over the GOP. They’d rather run away from the fighr.


59 posted on 01/13/2013 8:44:49 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Diogenesis
Its time for someone like Palin or West to publicly break with the blue blood banker faction of the Washingtonians that call themselves "Republicans" and start a campaign to have all registered members of that party throughout the nation resign en masse.

Declare war on DC, start a new party larger in size than the GOP for real Americans, and recruit candidates who will go to DC not to reform or solve problems but to destroy the federal apparatus.

It's time to start calling out the rabid baby killers, trade unionists, sex perverts, trial lawyers, communists , race baiters, lobbyists , apparatchiks, propagandists in the press, gun grabbers, and imbeciles that pollute DC and the State Capitols and their supporters that live amongst us for what they are, disgusting degenerate evil parasites that must be stopped.

Eliminate tax withholding, no new hiring of federal employees, rotate the Capital amongst the states and if necessary break up the Republic and form new nations on this continent.

60 posted on 01/13/2013 8:45:57 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Morris70

We have to work within the system and change it.... Starting with the state committee positions, that is the way to get this done.

If we split, we’ll watch the rest of our lives while these cretins lose election after election and blame us for the trouble.

Time to get to work.


61 posted on 01/13/2013 8:47:39 AM PST by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: Diogenesis

Diogenesis you have a point....Rove is past his time, Romney should be our Treasurer and Boehner ain’t bound by his principals even a tiny bit.


62 posted on 01/13/2013 8:49:11 AM PST by yoe
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To: EternalVigilance

Joan of Arc was burned at the stake by an establishment, and today’s eqaivalent (as I see it) is Sarah Palin ... a most-definite target for establishment Republicans.


63 posted on 01/13/2013 8:55:45 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: mrsmith

The GOP is dead. All that we’re waiting for is for rigor mortis to kick in. Its death throes began shortly after Boehner’s Tea Party Congressional leadership purge last December and it officially died with Weepy’s re-election and the grand “fiscal cliff” victory for Obama. This article just confirms everyone’s suspicion.

Sorry, but the GOP apologia’s a little bit stale these days.


64 posted on 01/13/2013 9:00:58 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: mrsmith
Yeah: WE’RE WINNING!

1. Who is winning what?
2. On what do you base your opinion, if you are referring to conservatives on FR as winning takeover of the GOP?
3. Why are you calling FReepers stupid?
65 posted on 01/13/2013 9:01:44 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: OldPossum
That does it...I’m registering as an Independent. Screw the GOP. I gave up on the GOP a couple months ago. I plan to vote for candidates of the American Conservative Party and anyone else who represents my viewpoints. I know that the GOP doesn't.

But that is what they want. In most states you cannot vote in the primary unless you are registered R. That is what is bothering them, we are throwing all the good ol boys out in the R primary. The conservative/teaparty are very, very good at local politics we have upset them very much, we need to continue until they are all purged, lets push back not run and hide in another party.

Please think local, your state and your precinct that is how we remake the party and piss off everybody, the D's, the R's, and the press!

We have some awesome candidates after trying this for only 4 years. Lee in Utah, Rubio, Jordan, Cruz, Rand Paul there are many more and perhaps none of them would be in the Senate and congress if it wasn't for conservative's fighting hard, IN THE PRIMARYS, for every one of them.

66 posted on 01/13/2013 9:03:00 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Always A Marine
There is no difference between Republican and Democrat.

They are two factions, a collection evil degenerate baby killing communists on one side and elitist blue blood country clubbers crony capitalists on the other, who only have elections to decide who gets to divide up and spend the money extorted from the working man by the IRS.

There will never be any Solutions coming from Washington DC because Washington DC is the Problem.

The only thing that will come from DC is more taxes and less freedom.

The political class doesn't give a rats ass about anything other than staying in power by any means necessary and serving 5 years to get a federal Congressional pension for life.

There is never a recession in DC, they skim off the the money they steal from workers paychecks every week and figure out new and ever more outlandish ways to waste it.

Every day they hire hundreds of new bureaucrats for life terms starting at salaries of $90-135K to sit around and figure out ways to steal more of our cash.

Their propaganda wing in the press reports none of this.

There is no greater threat to the Prosperity, Security and Freedom of the American citizen than the federal apparatus in DC.

The apparatus cannot be reformed, only destroyed.

The Federal capital must be rotated amongst the states, and allowed to convene for no more than 21 days in any given year.

We are slaves to the Washingtonians, it's time to recognize the enemy within and come up with creative ways to defeat them.

67 posted on 01/13/2013 9:05:42 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: COBOL2Java

The GOP-E reeks of weakness so run away from them!
Thanks for the advice. It’s completely opposite to everything I’ve seen in my life.

(Oh, and an apologia is what those who run away produce.)


68 posted on 01/13/2013 9:06:46 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith
(Oh, and an apologia is what those who run away produce.)

Apologia

Not quite.

69 posted on 01/13/2013 9:12:34 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: Resettozero

Conservatives increased their representation in both the Senate and the House GOP caucusi. That increased our power in the Party (apparently, being a POLITICO fan, you don’t know this).

I’m calling everyone who doesn’t want to continue increasing it because the weak RINOs will fight back an idiot and a coward .

You got a problem with that?


70 posted on 01/13/2013 9:12:34 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

...and Mitt Romney, John McCain, Bob Dole, GHWB, GRF, RMN, DDE, Thomas Dewey, Alf Landon, Herbert Hoover, WHT, and TR. They were all Progressives.

It is foolish to think that Reagan (or Goldwater, or Coolidge, or Harding) represented the Republican Party. The establishment hated them.


71 posted on 01/13/2013 9:13:50 AM PST by rashley (Rashley)
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To: Salvey

Presidential primaries are everywhere, and there are some good conservative areas in NJ


72 posted on 01/13/2013 9:17:26 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: rashley

I said killed off. Those others you listed added to the demise, but W was truly the straw that broke the camels back.


73 posted on 01/13/2013 9:17:26 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: COBOL2Java

Good debate point, but please, someone, explain why we should run from such a weak opponent.
Out of sympathy?


74 posted on 01/13/2013 9:18:04 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I agree with you. It disgusts me to think that he is viewed as a Conservative. (Granted, I come from a Libertarian perspective.)


75 posted on 01/13/2013 9:21:13 AM PST by rashley (Rashley)
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To: mrsmith

"No, no! Take that tag off! The GOP's fine, I tell ya! It's not dead, it's just MOSTLY DEAD!"


76 posted on 01/13/2013 9:22:08 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: mrsmith
That increased our power in the Party (apparently, being a POLITICO fan, you don’t know this).

1. An uncivil response to my sincere question.
2. Not a Politico fan; how on earth did you get that idea?
3. You've been a FReeper since 1998, eh? Honest?
77 posted on 01/13/2013 9:22:26 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: mrsmith

“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

— John Adams, Letter to Jonathan Jackson (2 October 1780), “The Works of John Adams”, vol 9, p.511


78 posted on 01/13/2013 9:26:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Think like a Globalist Marxist bent on destroying the foundations of the one country with a history and a people that prevent your schemes. Then it’s easy to see where these pieces fit into the puzzle, fit into the long-range plan for the global domination of a Brave New World Order.

Teach your anarchists Cloward and Piven. Infiltrate the media and academia to promote a subversive agenda that undermines the country’s conservative heritage. Give the voters two parties to promote the illusion that a conservative can put a conservative into office. Destroy the economy by fiat and legislation and propaganda. Divide and conquer the races and the classes and the generations and the sexes. Institutionalize corruption. Destroy or subvert the checks and balances. Silence and disarm the people.

Understanding this, it is clear the GOP has been co-opted, and plays its role now in this plan. They are not our friends. They do not want what we want. They will join the rest in destroying us if they can.


79 posted on 01/13/2013 9:28:36 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: mrsmith
Good debate point, but please, someone, explain why we should run from such a weak opponent.

Because the "opponent" has fully crossed over to the enemy's side, and now we are fighting not only the GOP, but their ally, the DemocRATs. There no longer is such a thing as a two-party system - it is a political illusion. As things stand now, you support either, you support both.

Sorry that's too complicated for you to understand.

80 posted on 01/13/2013 9:29:13 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: Rome2000
We are slaves to the Washingtonians, it's time to recognize the enemy within and come up with creative ways to defeat them.

I agree completely. The 2014 GOP primaries start... RIGHT NOW!

81 posted on 01/13/2013 9:32:35 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: EternalVigilance

He had a good point but I don’t see a DEM-RINO ‘Uniparty’ as the answer.

Unlike so many here...


82 posted on 01/13/2013 9:35:47 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

It’s not as though those are the only choices.


83 posted on 01/13/2013 9:40:26 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: mrsmith

Do you think Adams was speaking in support of some sort of of “DEM-RINO Uniparty”?


84 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: mrsmith
Unlike so many here...

Today, on this thread, you are firing away ramdomly and hitting some conservative FReepers in the process. Please, get a grip.
85 posted on 01/13/2013 9:43:08 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: WomBom
“We have to work within the system and change it.... Starting with the state committee positions, that is the way to get this done.”

I think everyone is aiming at the wrong targets.
Politics are and have been rife with corruption and abuse of power throughout recorded history. “Power corrupts”.

We can argue, complain and scheme to replace a few politicians here and there, but the problem basically boils down to having a representative government.

Conservatives have lost the battle for the culture.
We can argue about the fairness of the battle or debate if the “fat lady” is still making noise, but the political nightmare that exists today is the result of the socialists destruction of the American culture.

The most basic conservative ideals are now “radical right wing” and that claim goes unchallenged time after time.

Nothing is going to change by replacing a few politicians here and there. We need to wage war on the puppet-masters and use their Alinsky tactics against them. Isolate, ridicule and expose.

86 posted on 01/13/2013 9:46:46 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: mrsmith

We were strictly warned, by the way...

“And of fatal tendency...to put, in the place of the delegated will of the Nation, the will of a party; - often a small but artful and enterprising minority...They are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the Power of the People and to usurp for the themselves the reins of Government; destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion...

But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism...Disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an Individual...(who) turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty...The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism...”

— George Washington, Farewell Address


87 posted on 01/13/2013 9:47:16 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: EternalVigilance

the GOP rulers will most likely next try to “purify” their party by taking control of their own primaries. changing the rules and selecting their candidates in secret to shut out conservatives further. at that point conservatives had better be ready to put forth their own candidates from the outside.

first steps: register independent, other, decline to state, etc. and then concentrate at the local and state level on non-partisan offices (sheriff, etc.) just as if you were already a member of the conservative party.

and don’t worry. i’m told by the pundits that the GOP spends their time and money courting “independents” anyway.


88 posted on 01/13/2013 9:49:20 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Salvey; madmominct

Shush...don’t you know? You MUST stay on the GOPe plantation, work within to restore it to its former glory and majesty. Why, anything else is just a vote for O/Dems </s>

Unfortunately, a great many, even hear, don’t see the writing on the wall. The GOP is dead, run by the same who would vocal platitudes to the Dem, reach across the aisle time and time again with nothing in return and then every 2 years, slap you across the face and stick their hand out for more $$$.


89 posted on 01/13/2013 9:51:48 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: McGavin999

Mistakes were made in both recent cycles, and Akin’s decision to remain in the race was one of the most stupid and selfish political acts I’ve seen in a lifetime.

That said, we had very good conservative Senate candidates who lost in absolutely winnable races in ND, Ohio, Montana, Virginia. The point is: conservatives did not deliver. All of these candidates ran under Romney, he was not a drag on their races.

Bottom line: we are not a center-right country anymore. We are a center-left country, whether we like it or not.


90 posted on 01/13/2013 9:52:14 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: EternalVigilance

Conservatives need only 15 to 40 (depending on one’s preferences) more members in the House to take it over using the GOP caucus.
(Hence this RINO desperation that POLITICO is spinning)

No other option is so appealing.

Third-party conservatives are fine too. If we can’t run one, run the other. Heck, in moderate/conservative districts run them against Dems and RINOs both.


91 posted on 01/13/2013 9:52:43 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: thirst4truth; mrsmith
But that [registering as an Independent] is what they want. In most states you cannot vote in the primary unless you are registered R. That is what is bothering them, we are throwing all the good ol boys out in the R primary. The conservative/teaparty are very, very good at local politics we have upset them very much, we need to continue until they are all purged, lets push back not run and hide in another party.

Please think local, your state and your precinct that is how we remake the party and piss off everybody, the D's, the R's, and the press!

We have some awesome candidates after trying this for only 4 years. Lee in Utah, Rubio, Jordan, Cruz, Rand Paul there are many more and perhaps none of them would be in the Senate and congress if it wasn't for conservative's fighting hard, IN THE PRIMARYS, for every one of them.

Well said! Take over the party at the local level, then work your way up to the state party. It happened so fast in Georgia three years ago that the GOPe never saw it coming. We outnumber them, but we've got to organize - and be willing to follow through and show up. And then keep showing up!

The GOPe is declaring war on Tea Party conservatives because it fears us, and wants to purge us from the GOP. Let's go after them!

GOP Senate Target Number One: Saxby Chambliss
GOP House Target Number One: Phil Gingrey

92 posted on 01/13/2013 9:57:31 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: mrsmith

Our party supports candidates based solely on principle, not party labels.

http://www.selfgovernment.us/about.html


93 posted on 01/13/2013 9:59:14 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Madison predicted the DEM-RINO Party during the Convention:

“An increase in the population will of necessity increase the proportion of those who will labor under all the hardships of life and secretly sigh for a more equitable distribution of its blessings. These may in time outnumber those who are placed above the feelings of indigence. According to the equal laws of suffrage, the power will slide into the hands of the former. No agrarian attempts have yet been made in this country, but symptoms of a levelling spirit, as we have understood have sufficiently appeared, in a certain quarter, to give notice of the future danger.”

“Equitable” should be in quotes to best represent his meaning_ ie ‘equitable’ in the selfish view of the indigent.


94 posted on 01/13/2013 10:04:28 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Predicting and supporting are two entirely different things.

The political system envisioned and supported by Washington and Adams was not a party system. Not at all.

It was one of individual self-government, REPRESENTATION, and constant regard for principle, the good of the nation as a whole, and the securing of the Blessings to posterity.

All of which we can easily restore if we simply have the understanding and the commitment to do so.


95 posted on 01/13/2013 10:12:21 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The New Deal was a Bad Deal. So Bad, in fact, that it is costing you your Liberty and your Country.)
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To: mrsmith

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96 posted on 01/13/2013 10:17:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: Always A Marine

Yeah, I like your comment.

Our opponent is cowering clutching at anything for help and everyone here is saying to run away.
I don’t get it.

I am encouraged by this article that we can beat them in the primaries and take over the Party in the House.
It’s never too soon to start at it, and at taking over local GOP organizations.


97 posted on 01/13/2013 10:25:49 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t see where I, or Madison, give you the impression that we support ‘levelling’ or a Party based on it!

Democracy is a dangerously weak leash on the mob. It’s the best flawed man can do sometimes though.


98 posted on 01/13/2013 10:33:01 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith
I am encouraged by this article that we can beat them in the primaries and take over the Party in the House.

I'm scratching my head as to why, since the article says:

the Washington team is gearing up a new effort to protect incumbents and limit the ability of Republican voters to successfully challenge establishment candidates.

99 posted on 01/13/2013 10:33:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: mrsmith
Democracy is a dangerously weak leash on the mob. It’s the best flawed man can do sometimes though.

"Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

-- James Madison


100 posted on 01/13/2013 10:38:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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