Skip to comments.Doctors euthanize Belgian twins who said they could not bear the thought of going blind
Posted on 01/14/2013 12:49:44 AM PST by BlackVeil
Identical twins have been killed by Belgian doctors in a unique case under the countrys euthanasia laws.
The 45-year-old brothers from the Antwerp region were born deaf and sought euthanasia after finding out that they would soon go blind. They told doctors that they were unable to bear the thought of not being able to see each other again.
The twins, who have not been named but have been pictured on Belgian television, had spent their entire lives together, sharing a flat and working as cobblers.
Belgiums Het Laatste Nieuws newspaper reported on the weekend that doctors at Brussels University Hospital in Jette euthanized the two men by lethal injection ...
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Not doctors. Executioners.
You are 100% correct.
And who knows if they were really going to go blind? Medical opinions are anything but reliable. I have seen people face a terrible prognosis - but nothing happens, the threat receeds. And others who are told they are cured, but soon after die from that illness.
You mean they were murdered.
I've been happily cobbling with my brother for LO, these many years and ... and ... and someone said I'm gonn'a go blind.
SOMEone said ... You're gonn'a lose your eyesight
Someone SAID ... just SAID .. I'm GOING TO GO blind (I ain't blind yet)
T'hell with it ... kill me now
Y'all believe this ?
Yes, I’ve known many people who defied their medical prognosis, Everything from nerve, ligament, spinal injuries to pathological diseases like cancer and diabetes. These twins bear their responsibility too. They committed suicide. Always a bad choice.
I can’t even imagine. There has to be more to this. Were they retarded in some way?
What kind of a ‘doctor’ would even contemplate something as heinous as this?
We are losing our humanity. G-d forgive us.
So very true. My OBGYN had me convinced my daughter had Down’s Syndrome. I delivered a healthy baby, with no health issues besides GERD, 3 months ago.
Yep, doctors are just people and they DO NOT know as much as they think they do.
The death penalty for no crime. How fast is it executed for actual criminals?
Death penaltyThe people who offed the twins were the ones who went blind.
The death penalty: a few notions
Belgium, along with a great many other countries, believes that the death penalty is a serious assault on human dignity. The dissuasive effect of this punishment has not been proven and since it is irreversible, it is impossible to subsequently grant reprieve. In Belgium, the last execution took place in 1950 and this sentence was abolished by law in punishment for any crime whatsoever in 1996.
Post of the day.
No, just another normal day in Europe. The doctor says their last conversations were serene and beautiful. Note also, in the article, that the laws are being broadened to include euthenising children.
Were they retarded in some way?
I wondered about that. Their existing disability, and very reclusive way of life - living always within sight of each other and working as cobblers - at least suggests a learning handicap. I also wondered if one twin was being dominated by the other, who made the decision for both of them. Such dynamics are typical in disfunctional families, which, behind the jolly picture drawn in this article, is what this one was.
There’s something lacking in this story that makes it creepy.
They weren’t blind yet, couldn’t they have waited until that happened? At least they wouldn’t have seen the needle coming at that them. Gads, I hate needles, I pass out.
This from the continent that gave us the Nazi’s and Communism, should not be a surprise. Satan is still very strong there...
“Y’all believe this ?”
I am not buying it either.
Why not wait till your blind, THEN X yourself out?
Most likely this is more brainless journalism.
Looks like all that talk of "a serious assault on human dignity" doesn't mean jack when a verdict is handed down by "doctors". Where's all that better-safe-than-sorry compassion when *innocent* lives are at stake?
Lurching towards the medieval.
You’re next. (What, you think it will stop here?)
Life either has absolute value or it does not. If it does not, it has relative value. If it has relative value, you’re next.
Will the Pope say something about them getting an express ticket to Hell for this (doubtful they are off the hook just because doctors supervised) or will he just keep going on about how bad capitalism is and how great islam is?
I haven’t heard the Pope make statements like that - and he has condemned euthenasia, and spoken up for the value of life. It is hard to get the message across, in such a secular and materialistic society.
Why can’t these lazybones kill themselves, at least?
Will Catholic-bashers figure out that the Church is the only institution left standing against this sort of evil, or will they just keep making ignorant comments on message boards?
It’s a good thing Ray Charles wasn’t born in Belgium.
Lurching towards nazism. Again.
“Neither of the men was terminally ill or suffering extreme physical pain.”
No one is going to say it because it would be inappropriate.
But I will.
What a couple of cowardly p*ssies.
‘That’s night fair! You can’t say that!’
You’re damn right I can! Their skin wasn’t dissolving. Their bones weren’t rotting away. When things go wrong you deal with it. I woke up blind in one eye several years ago. Had to have my retina reattached. And I just had cataract surgery last week in the same eye. I’m in my lower 40’s. Doctor says I’m already starting to develop a cataract in the other eye. I would hate to go blind but I wouldn’t kill myself over it. Too much left to do. Too many people I care about. Too many people that care about me.
Sadly,my psoriasis is getting pretty bad.Under OsamaObamaCare I’m sure I won’t have any trouble finding a “doctor” to help me end it all.”Cost savings” don’t you know.And “death with dignity” as well.
that is depraved, if they want to have a suicide pact, that is one thing, they will be in hell after death. But now they are all headed for hell, I guess the doctors can ask for forgiveness, but even with repentance they may end up in hell
yes, we are reliving those preWWII days when those who were not “perfect” were euthanized.
Evil never gives up. So sad...
With babies, GERD isn’t a disease; it’s what babies do for the first 6 months of so. Keeping the epiglottis closed so that stomach content doesn’t come up (baby spit-up) is a learned action, not one you start out with.
It would appear that these two willingly chose to end their lives in a non-violent manner and sought medical assistance to do so. Isn’t that another version of the Liberty and Freedom we laud here on FR, to pursue Life and Happiness or have the Liberty not to? Who are we to force them to live?
Congratulations! What a wonderful blessing. :)
What happened to the Hippocratic (sp?) oath? This is so awful.
“Just days after the twins were killed by doctors, Belgiums ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment that will allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimers sufferers. The controversial change will allow minors and people suffering from dementia to seek permission to die.”
OMG. Children?? Can’t people just take care of their family members? I don’t think I can even finish this thread—too painful. I can’t believe the soul-lessness that is around in the world today.
‘satan is still very strong there,’
I’m from the US, but am a missionary, just outside of Brussels, planting house churches. I’ve been lurking here forever...but this article really got me.
We know a couple who were pregnant and advised to abort, at this hospital, because of a possible abnormality. They aborted...
Belgium isn’t like it’s surrounding neighbors...you see the difference in people while just walking around. These people have been the punching bag of Europe since the time of Caesar.
I believe these issues are all just symptoms...Flanders is #1 in West Europe for suicide and #5 in Europe... Divorce rates are around 75% and alcoholism is off the charts. A significant number of people are on anti-depressants.
Oh yeah, less than 3% are practicing Catholics and less than .5% are protestant...a correlation?
So I’m not so sure the issue is Satan being strong as much as it is, disciples of Jesus Christ (in either of those camps) not ‘being’ who they’re called to be and are therefore, incredibly weak.
A significant problem too, is that the Church has failed to step in front of the mirror and let justice clean house. It was said recently that everyone in Belgium, has in one way or another, been effected by scandals in the Church.
People have committed crimes that have been covered up by Church leadership...I wouldn’t trust them either. One of the perps is living large in a protected place in West Flanders.
So I think many believe the only other decent option is ‘science.’ In schools it’s taught as the ‘only’ truthful and valid option on which to base your life. (my kids attended Flemish schools) So if science tells you you’re going blind or your baby may possibly be deformed...you trust it...more so than you can those in the Church... Sorry for being so long winded!
Happened to my best bud and his wife, docs told them their second child had downs and recommended abortion. Thank God he is a strong believer of Jesus, and said no. They had a beautiful healthy strong little girl.
This story just doesn’t seem right to me, maybe I’m just suspicious of everything these days, but it seems pretty severe to be going along then all of a sudden want to die because you might go blind.
My son & DIL were told their 4th son would possibly die (pre-birth) or be deformed. The are both very strong Catholics and decided to leave it in Gods hands. My 4 year old grandson is doing just great!!!
Your story is another one of many as to why we should just trust God, I am happy to hear good things once in a while in an otherwise depressing realm of news.
The socialist State with a velvet glove preying upon the weaknesses and distress of people to get them to “choose” to murder themselves rather than live, is a twist on the old theme of the iron fist socialist State just murdering them without their permission, is not an improvement.
The goal and outcome of the State murdering innocent “useless eaters” is the same. American liberals are going to overwhelm elderly white people in the same way. They will have the power and the manipulation power to make desparate people feel suicidal.
You don't see a connection? You don't see that the force acting against deep religious belief, the force fomenting corruption in the existing religious organizations, hideous crimes, and moral emptiness is Satan? You don't see that perhaps the reason people aren't "being whom they're called to be and are therefore incredibly weak" is the evil one's pressures?
Dude, you're a missionary. You must be aware that, as St Paul said, we are at war against dark powers and principalities. Know thine Enemy. You can't fight effectively for Christ if you don't realize whom you're fighting against.
The Nazis have won, after all.
I routinely try to force people to refrain from murder. Also robbery, etc.
The actions of the doctors, in this case, are unspeakable, and this is not liberty.
Thank you for your post, it was not long winded...but, what you described is perfectly in form with proving the strength of Satan there. Everything you mention would be the work of evil to weaken or dilute the works of God with weak individuals. What you describe is truly the gate to hell...
‘You don’t see a connection?’
Thanks for your reply and reminder! Anyway, I sure do see a connection. Absolutely! Yet what I was trying to point out, and I suppose not very well, was not that Satan isn’t strong or isn’t wrecking havoc...he is! But even the passage you pointed out in Eph. 6, Paul went on to write that we’ve been given all we need to stand and take the battle to the enemy, but we’re not doing it! (Remember I’m in Belgium)
We can look at Satan and understand that he does what his nature does...he (in part) ‘steals, kills and destroys.’ But Jesus, who has all authority over all kingdoms and dominions, came to give life to the fullest! He called His people ‘salt’ and ‘light!’ Those are to purify, preserve and cleans every area they’re used. But if you’re not salty what good are you to defeat satan? If your light is under a bucket, what good is it?
Jesus said in Matt. 16 that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. If I choose to look at this place through the lens of satan and his power, the gates of hell are defeating the church.
However, what I was trying to get at was, we have a nature too...a new nature where the living Christ dwells. We need to grow in that nature and, according to Jesus, that’s what all of us are supposed to be doing...making disciples of Jesus Christ.
If we’re not making mature disciples, we have people who are, ‘tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.’ (Eph. 4:14)
Therefore, I agree, Satan is wrecking havoc, but that’s who he is. To me the more important question is, ‘are we living out who we are supposed to be?’ Further, Satan does what he does, but are we taking responsibility for what we are supposed to be doing?
‘Greater is He who is in me than he that is in the world...’ (1 Jn. 4:4)
“Thanks for your reply and reminder! Anyway, I sure do see a connection. Absolutely! Yet what I was trying to point out, and I suppose not very well, was not that Satan isnt strong or isnt wrecking havoc...he is! But even the passage you pointed out in Eph. 6, Paul went on to write that weve been given all we need to stand and take the battle to the enemy, but were not doing it! (Remember Im in Belgium)”
You are absolutely correct and I am sorry I misunderstood your initial point. We in the US and indeed, I think it is pretty much world wide now, have turned away from God. I can see we are entering a very dark period that will be the beginning of returning to God and His Will. I have never seen so many who have a “feeling of impending doom, or catastrophy” as now. I sometimes wonder if God has not instilled that in us as a final warning. I have changed a lot in the last couple years towards doing more for Christ and I feel led to continue even further...I have also never had so much contentment in my life! Neat how that works...
“I have changed a lot in the last couple years towards doing more for Christ and I feel led to continue even further...I have also never had so much contentment in my life! Neat how that works...”
That’s awesome! It’s amazing how He loves us and woos us into His life...and we’re satisfied! We’re made for that type of intimacy with Him...but also one another. I mean, there are over 45 different ‘one anothers’ and 15 ‘love one another’s’ in the New Testament. Loving and being loved, the very things missing here are what Jesus calls us to!
And yeah, things are looking a bit bleak, but because we have ‘His great and precious promises,’ we’re able to live out His nature and live in the hope of His return. But in the mean time, we have plenty to do!
I’m amazed though at what’s happening around the world. An estimated 120 million following Jesus in China in the last 60 years...20 thousand a day are coming to Him...and it’s all underground! There have been almost 1 million people who have turned to Jesus in the last 2 years in 1 area of India and all of these are movements focused on multiplication and some have purposed to head west! It’s staggering what He’s doing!
By the way, the US is the 3rd largest mission field on the face of the planet. There’s plenty to do there too ;-)
Google “Pope capitalism” for the sources of that “ignorant” comment. I’m not going to post any specific link so as not to appear biased toward a source. “Catholic basher”? When I was confirmed, I was told I was a “soldier for Christ”. Where is the Church leadership on this today re islam? And why aren’t pro-abortion politicians who interpret and announce catechism their way being publicly ex-communicated by the Church?